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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, December 3, 2007 11:28 AM

guestimating from the pictures at hand, I'll back up subfixers guess ...

Tha sailor in the hatchway of the mule.  Assuming that the hatch is roughly 6 feet tall - the beam is just over 2 hatches wide -- call it 15 feet.

 See the magazine ad.   Assuming that the beam is 15 feet wide -- the length is about 2 beams long -- call it 30 feet.

You're talking about something which was similar in size to a LCVP -- 36 feet long.

A LCM-3 was 50 feet long.  A LCM-6 was 56 feet long.  

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Posted by subfixer on Monday, December 3, 2007 6:31 PM
The 75 footer I was referring to was the LCM 8. It was a later boat. I just looked it up, it was introduced in 1959.

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Posted by CG Bob on Monday, January 28, 2008 11:10 AM

Two more pictures of the USCG Yard Sea Mule, from 1980.

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Posted by subfixer on Monday, January 28, 2008 11:38 AM
Man! That thing sure does have a low freeboard. It looks like it is sinking aft.

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Posted by Tracy White on Monday, January 28, 2008 6:53 PM

 subfixer wrote:
I would bet that there weren't any in use in Pearl Harbor in 1941 either.

I would concur. I have NEVER seen a mule at Pearl or other period USN shipyards.

 EdGrune wrote:
Yard and district craft of the immediate pre-war period would likely have been painted with a  black hull.  Superstructure would likely have been Standard Navy Gray #5. 

Ocean Gray (5-O) wasn't ordered until the September, 1941 issue of SHIPS-2, the Navy's painting directions.  Ocean Gray was used during the war on yard & district craft, but these were low priority craft for getting them painted by December.   Refer to the picture I posted further up the thread of the garbage lighter spraying water on the burning West Virginia.  Black hull & gray superstructure.

You're wrong in the literal sense; 5-O was ordered at the end of July even though SHIPS-2 wasn't officially released until September. Additionally, the Navy decided to use up their old stocks of #5 Standard gray by mixing it with a tinting paste to approximate 5-D for smaller crafy; you can read about it in this memo I posted (paragraph 12). 

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Posted by Tracy White on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:19 AM
OK, I looked over several high-resolution scans I have of Pearl Harbor in 1941 and afterwards and there are no mules present. California being pushed into drydock after raising is being shepherded by tugs and a bunch of *rowboats* (not towing, presumably serving as extra eyes). You can scratch those out. If you want to do a quad of famous ships, do Hoga and Nokomis pushing Vestal in.

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Posted by 65 air cav vn on Friday, February 1, 2008 4:40 PM
 What location were the Haga And Nakomis pushing the Vestal too? Thanks Hank Support the troops Gary Owen
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Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, February 2, 2008 1:02 AM

Hoga and Nokomis might not have been the ones pushing Vestal around; they are merely two of the most famous tugs at Pearl due to the fact that they are still around. There were 8 Harbor tugs (YT) present and 1 motor tug (YMT).

You might want to check the following link out:

US Naval and Coast Guard warships in Hawaii, A ship roster: 14th Naval District

Anyway, on December 6th, Vetal was moved to Arizona's port side, as you can see from pictures  taken during the attack.

 

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