HMS Courageous, if you like bizarre ships you'll love this one...

Brews

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May 2006
From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada

Posted by Brews on Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:08 PM

Dreadnought52 wrote:
Brews wrote:
The point is, that it worked with ships that were less-well armed.

The few times that such engagements took place it did work.

The problem was that the ships were used for other duties. When armed so heavily it became almost impossible for command not to send them into harms way. Hood's destruction was not the only example. They couldn't even go against their own kind, as in Jutland.

Even strengthened and rebuilt like the Kongos they were destroyed in gun battles. The concept was inherently flawed. I don't know how the Alaskas would have fared in combat but I suspect the same result. They were just too expensive, required too large a crew for what was essentially a cruiser. WS

But the entire High Seas Fleet spent most of the First World War staying out of harm's way. You say that at Jutland that battlecruisers couldn't go against battlecruisers, but isn't that a case of "some battlecruisers won, and some lost"? In any case, getting back to the topic, do you think that Glorious might have fared better in her final engagement if she'd had 15" guns instead of a complement of fighters?

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Dreadnought52

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December 2002

Posted by Dreadnought52 on Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:41 AM

Brews wrote:
The point is, that it worked with ships that were less-well armed.

The few times that such engagements took place it did work.

The problem was that the ships were used for other duties. When armed so heavily it became almost impossible for command not to send them into harms way. Hood's destruction was not the only example. They couldn't even go against their own kind, as in Jutland.

Even strengthened and rebuilt like the Kongos they were destroyed in gun battles. The concept was inherently flawed. I don't know how the Alaskas would have fared in combat but I suspect the same result. They were just too expensive, required too large a crew for what was essentially a cruiser. WS

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death

Member since
December 2003
From: Canberra,Australia

Posted by death on Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:19 AM

Didn't help the HOOD though....

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Brews

Member since
May 2006
From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada

Posted by Brews on Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:10 AM

The point is, that it worked with ships that were less-well armed.

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Dreadnought52

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December 2002

Posted by Dreadnought52 on Friday, December 14, 2007 7:29 PM

I guess the only thing wrong with the philosophy was that it didn't work in practice! Battlecruisers didn't fare too well in any of their engagements unless it was with small fry. WS

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Brews

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May 2006
From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada

Posted by Brews on Friday, December 14, 2007 6:59 PM

What's crazy about the "if you can't outgun it, then outrun it" philosophy?

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Dreadnought52

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December 2002

HMS Courageous, if you like bizarre ships you'll love this one...

Posted by Dreadnought52 on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:50 AM

I just received the new 1/700 scale HMS Courageous by Admiralty Model Works today and I think everyone interested in WWI ship models or any kind of ship models should know about this kit. It is without a doubt one of the finest, if not the finest, resin model I have ever seen. Everything about this kit is well done and thought out right down to being packaged in its own display case. The molding is superb and the detail incredible. Even the directions are outstanding.

The subject matter itself is way out of the ordinary. Everyone complains about the same subjects being molded over and over again like Bismarck, Yamato, Missouri and Titanic, well here is the chance to get something truly bizarre, yet beautiful. What ship modeler can't love the crazy design of what can only be called a large light cruiser like this ( OK, the RN called it a battlecruiser). A huge vessel, built like a light cruiser with 15" guns, how crazy can you get? Many of you already know that this ship was converted to an aircraft carrier before WWII but how many of you have seen it in its orginal outrageous configuration?

If you are really looking for something bizarre and beautiful you must get this kit!

The company web site is www.admiraltymodelworks.com

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