NEW 1/350 Kongo, Haruna and Ise!!!!!

warshipbuilder - Trumpeter's Repulse and Prinz Eugen have been on sale at AAA Hobbies (Stevens International) for a while now. I've built the Repulse for the Stevens display booth at the Chicago hobby fair going on next? week, I think. Great kit - good detail and the P/E is superb! The inclined ladders are especially nice.

 I went there a week or so ago to get the Prinz Eugen and one of my modelling buddies had just left with the last one in stock! Oh, he's gonna get it! But anyway, they are expecting another shipment soon, so have at it as they say!

P.S. My stinkin' camera broke so I don't have any photos of the Repulse, but as soon as she comes home from Chicago I'm gonna get the folks at AAA to take some.

Mark Staszewski

So has anyone here gotten all 3?

Commentary on differences(?)

Thanks.......

I could have been referring to her rechargeable main power source - dry cell, of course.

But yes, a carrier's air wing is always her main battery.

I think he was referring of course, to the many torpedo and dive bombers aboard.....

alumni72 wrote:

And let's not forget that the Akagi's "main battery" was responsible for plenty of damage at Pearl Harbor.  And Darwin.   And Ceylon.   And Java.

 

On the contrary, her 8" guns never fired a shot in anger. 

rofl, I am really enjoying this "debate" - it's all in good fun, of course.

For the record, the Kirishima and Hiei were tasked with bombarding the US Marine shore installations on Guadalcanal, not drawing the fire of the US cruisers - a surface action was not anticipated, as evidenced by the fact that both battleships had HE rounds stacked on their decks, according to extant sources.

 And let's not forget that the Akagi's "main battery" was responsible for plenty of damage at Pearl Harbor.  And Darwin.   And Ceylon.   And Java. 

I don't think I said anywhere that HMS Warspite 'didn't deserve a model!'  What I said was that British capital ships are mostly known for being sunk or damaged.  And as far as inflicting injuries, in the Guadalcanal battle mentioned above, Kirishima pretty much blew away at least one US heavy cruiser, killing the Admiral aboard, etc, etc.  Scharnhorst sank a number of ships, including merchants, destroyers, and even an aircraft carrier, before finally meeting her match in HMS Duke of York, and all of these battles were against armed and desperate opponents, not unarmed, outta gas and tied up to the dock.......  You do realise I am teasing, don't you?  Personally, if a model of 'Warspite' were produced, I would hope it was in her WW1 guise (she was pretty ugly in WW2!)

searat12 wrote:

Sounds more like shooting dead fish in a barrel to me! Compare that to any of the engagements at Guadalcanal, and it looks pretty uninspiring to me!  At the third battle, the Japanese sank  four US destroyers, two cruisers, smashed two more heavy cruisers and another destroyer and killed two US Admirals, at the cost of a destoyer, and eventually, the battleship Hiei......

 

 

Yes, Japanese kicked ***.  But how much of the *** kicking is attributable to the battleship Hiei?   Just 1 destroyer.   Everyting else was done by the cruisers and destroyers.    The battleship just came along for moral support and to draw American fire away from the cruisers and destroyers.

Like I said, Warspite's record is not bad for any battleship.      She certainly deserve a model as much as any other battleship.

 

Sounds more like shooting dead fish in a barrel to me! Compare that to any of the engagements at Guadalcanal, and it looks pretty uninspiring to me!  At the third battle, the Japanese sank  four US destroyers, two cruisers, smashed two more heavy cruisers and another destroyer and killed two US Admirals, at the cost of a destoyer, and eventually, the battleship Hiei......

I said "body count", not "stirring heroism against overwhelming odds"

Chuck Fan wrote:

searat12 wrote: Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2?   3 directly, and 5 others by influence, all bonafide warships, at Narvik. A body count not rivaled by many other battleships.

As I recall, the warships sunk were in fact all destroyers, all of which were stuck in a fjord almost without ammunition, and almost without fuel (the five you mention Warspite 'influenced' to be sunk were in fact run aground out of fuel), and many of them in fact scuttled themselves.  Two of the destroyers 'directly' sunk by Warspite and her escorts were in fact still tied up to the dock (Diether von Roeder, Erich Giese), and only one (Erich Koelner) was actually maneuvering and fighting when it was hit and sunk by a torpedo, as well as shellfire (and my guess is the torpedo didn't come from Warspite!). Also, Many of the shipwrecked Germans were fired upon by British artillery and machine guns, and about 2,600 survivors were organised into an improvised marine infantry unit, the Gebirgsmarine, and fought alongside the 139. Gebirgsjägerregiment in the subsequent land battle. Altogether, not a particularly stirring effort for a ship the size and power of Warspite, especially when she was accompanied by nine RN destroyers against eight Germans out of fuel and ammo....

Chuck Fan wrote:

searat12 wrote: Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2? As I recall, the warships sunk were in fact all destroyers, all of which were stuck in a fjord almost without ammunition, and almost without fuel (the five you mention Warspite 'influenced' to be sunk were in fact run aground out of fuel), and many of them in fact scuttled themselves.  Also, Many of the shipwrecked Germans were fired upon by British artillery and machine guns, and about 2,600 survivors were organised into an improvised marine infantry unit, the Gebirgsmarine, and fought alongside the 139. Gebirgsjägerregiment in the subsequent land battle.  Altogether, not a particularly stirring effort for a ship the size and power of Warspite, especially when she was accompanied by nine RN destroyers against eight Germans out of fuel and ammo....   3 directly, and 5 others by influence, all bonafide warships, at Narvik. A body count not rivaled by many other battleships.

davros wrote:

From the birthplace of the Kongo Dave Ross

 

Which proved easier to sink than any capitalship actually built in Japan.  

searat12 wrote:

Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2?

 

3 directly, and 5 others by influence, all bonafide warships, at Narvik.

A body count not rivaled by many other battleships.

 

 

Thru-deck cruiser? 1/350?

Here's an interview with an Airfix rep - HMS Illustrious is mentioned towards the end of the interview.

There's also an interview with a Revell rep, who mentions the new Revell 1/350 Tirpitz due next year, and with 45% new parts on the sprue.

http://www.hyperscale.com/what%27s.htm

Hit the vid links and take a look.

I remember going about the HMS Invincible VSTOL, jump-jet carrier/through-deck-cruiser, whateveryouwanttocallit just before the Gulf War, and the crew was kind enough to allow me aboard and escorted me all over the ship, just because I showed the crewman at the gangway my military ID!  Very nice little ship, but tiny compared to any carrier in the uS Navy (I heard some rumors a year or two ago that Britain was thinking about buying a couple new Nimitz-class carriers from the US, but I haven't heard any more since...)

kapudan_emir_effendi wrote:

searat12 wrote: Prinz Eugen is due out in early 2009 (March, I believe).  You will have to wait on Repulse.  It appears the only outfit doing anything other than Japanese stuff in any quantity is Trumpeter (they are the ones bringing out Repulse), so you will have to send them an email with your request (send several, and quote Finescale while you are at it!).  I guess the main reason they haven't made many British RN subjects is because they either sank, blew up, or didn't do anything of note, and they hate to rub it in! do you include Warspite into your definition !!!???

Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2?  Warspite had perhaps the most distinguished career of any Royal Navy ship of the 20th century. She suffered severe damage at Jutland and nearly foundered (she was hit by at least 15 heavy shells). She lost 14 dead and 32 wounded, firing a total of 259 shells. In World War II, she took part in many battles, including Narvik, Cape Matapan, Crete, and Salerno, where she was hit by a glider bomb. She was never fully repaired, and became a coastal bombardment ship, covering the Normandy landings, and further operations in other parts of France.

As I said, sank, blew up, or didn't do anything of note!  Warspite NEARLY sank at Jutland, got pounded by a German glider bomb, and then just took up dockyard space until Normandy.....Actually, I am far more impressed by HMS Renown, who at least took on two German battlecruisers and ran 'em both off (didn't sink either of them though!).....

 

It's fun to tease the Brits!

warshipbuilder wrote:

Where's Scharnhorst? Graf Spee? Nelson? A Tribal Class? HMS Suffolk?Ark Royal, Victorious etc etc? All we are getting are kingos, kongos, kangos, Mitsus Mutsus Matsus, Metsus Akagis, Shokus Shakus Shikus Minogsd Mongos Mangos and bugger-all else!

 

I haven't heard anything wiser for a long time. Thanks Warshipbuilder !!

And please don't forget WWI too.

 Nelson

searat12 wrote:

Prinz Eugen is due out in early 2009 (March, I believe).  You will have to wait on Repulse.  It appears the only outfit doing anything other than Japanese stuff in any quantity is Trumpeter (they are the ones bringing out Repulse), so you will have to send them an email with your request (send several, and quote Finescale while you are at it!).  I guess the main reason they haven't made many British RN subjects is because they either sank, blew up, or didn't do anything of note, and they hate to rub it in!

do you include Warspite into your definition !!!???

searat12 wrote:

Prinz Eugen is due out in early 2009 (March, I believe).  You will have to wait on Repulse.  It appears the only outfit doing anything other than Japanese stuff in any quantity is Trumpeter (they are the ones bringing out Repulse), so you will have to send them an email with your request (send several, and quote Finescale while you are at it!).  I guess the main reason they haven't made many British RN subjects is because they either sank, blew up, or didn't do anything of note, and they hate to rub it in!

 The might-have-been is cooler than what actually was.  So because we style ourselves "the good guys", we have to suffer the indignity of seeing that the the bad guy's ships cooler than our own.          

Prinz Eugen is due out in early 2009 (March, I believe).  You will have to wait on Repulse.  It appears the only outfit doing anything other than Japanese stuff in any quantity is Trumpeter (they are the ones bringing out Repulse), so you will have to send them an email with your request (send several, and quote Finescale while you are at it!).  I guess the main reason they haven't made many British RN subjects is because they either sank, blew up, or didn't do anything of note, and they hate to rub it in!

Trumpeter's 1/350 Repulse is still vapourware!

Prinz Eugen is nowhere to be seen.

Where's Scharnhorst? Graf Spee? Nelson? A Tribal Class? HMS Suffolk?Ark RToyal, Victorious etc etc?

All we are getting are kingos, kongos, kangos, Mitsus Mutsus Matsus, Metsus Akagis, Shokus Shakus Shikus Minogsd Mongos Mangos and bugger-all else!

Tracy White wrote:

Being a Royal Navy snob means never having to acknowledge any other ship as significant, even if it smacked a ship of her majesty around.

HIS majesty at the time.

 

From the birthplace of the Kongo

Dave Ross 

 

warshipbuilder wrote:

"If you are interested in 1/350 models of something else, it is time to clamor really hard for equal treatment." Too bloody right! I'm sick to death of Jap & USN stuff. None of these ships appeal to me in the slightest.

 

You are outnumbered.

 

searat12 wrote:

Just curious, how is the Fujimi's 'basic hull shape wrong' in comparison with the Aoshima version?  And how could the Fujimi kit be of 'better quality,' while the Aoshima kit is 'more accurate?'  Shouldn't the two go hand in hand?  Perhaps I will find out when the Aoshima Kirishima arrives (got on pre-order now).

The cutback on the side of Fujimi's hull is inclined, so the embrasures for the secondary gun casemates had to be trapazoidal in shape.   In reality they were verticle, so the casemate embrasures were rectangular.  Unfortunately this is a hard error for the average modeler to correct.  Fujimi got it wrong in defiance of all photographic evidence, Aoshima got it right. 

But the word on the street is all the details on the Fujimi model are more crisply molded, and were it not for the conspicuous error with the hull side cut back and embrasure shape,  would have been a better model.

Being a Royal Navy snob means never having to acknowledge any other ship as significant, even if it smacked a ship of her majesty around.

Not sure what you are going on about, but there is a 1/350 Prince of Wales, King George V, HMS Hood, and the latest coming out very soon is a HMS Repulse, so it's not like the RN has been completely ignored (though I would like to see an HMS Furious, a couple British cruisers, and maybe a destroyer or two).  Trumpeter also released the French battleship 'Richelieu' this year as well!  I think the only major navy that has so far been largely ignored is the Italian, and even there, you can get a 1/350 'Pola' heavy cruiser.... Plenty more coming, and it is likely to bring some more RN stuff too...... You really SHOULD know about the Akagi, as this carrier, along with the rest of Admiral Nagumo's group, not only blasted the US at Pearl Harbor, but swept the Indian Ocean clean of British warships and freighters, bombed the crap out of Trincomalee, and bombed Darwin, Australia as well!

"If you are interested in 1/350 models of something else, it is time to clamor really hard for equal treatment."

Too bloody right!

I'm sick to death of Jap & USN stuff. None of these ships appeal to me in the slightest.

Everyone's raving on about the $500 1/350 AKAGI - Me? I'd never bleedin' 'eard of it before now!

Gimme some WW2 RN stuff instead.

Just curious, how is the Fujimi's 'basic hull shape wrong' in comparison with the Aoshima version?  And how could the Fujimi kit be of 'better quality,' while the Aoshima kit is 'more accurate?'  Shouldn't the two go hand in hand?  Perhaps I will find out when the Aoshima Kirishima arrives (got on pre-order now).