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NEW 1/350 Kongo, Haruna and Ise!!!!!

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:45 PM
 davros wrote:

From the birthplace of the Kongo

Dave Ross 

 

 

Which proved easier to sink than any capitalship actually built in Japan.   Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:09 AM
 Chuck Fan wrote:
 searat12 wrote:

Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2?

As I recall, the warships sunk were in fact all destroyers, all of which were stuck in a fjord almost without ammunition, and almost without fuel (the five you mention Warspite 'influenced' to be sunk were in fact run aground out of fuel), and many of them in fact scuttled themselves.  Also, Many of the shipwrecked Germans were fired upon by British artillery and machine guns, and about 2,600 survivors were organised into an improvised marine infantry unit, the Gebirgsmarine, and fought alongside the 139. Gebirgsjägerregiment in the subsequent land battle.  Altogether, not a particularly stirring effort for a ship the size and power of Warspite, especially when she was accompanied by nine RN destroyers against eight Germans out of fuel and ammo....

 

3 directly, and 5 others by influence, all bonafide warships, at Narvik.

A body count not rivaled by many other battleships.

 

 

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:19 AM
 Chuck Fan wrote:
 searat12 wrote:

Sure!  How many ships did Warspite sink in WW2?

 

3 directly, and 5 others by influence, all bonafide warships, at Narvik.

A body count not rivaled by many other battleships.

 

 

As I recall, the warships sunk were in fact all destroyers, all of which were stuck in a fjord almost without ammunition, and almost without fuel (the five you mention Warspite 'influenced' to be sunk were in fact run aground out of fuel), and many of them in fact scuttled themselves.  Two of the destroyers 'directly' sunk by Warspite and her escorts were in fact still tied up to the dock (Diether von Roeder, Erich Giese), and only one (Erich Koelner) was actually maneuvering and fighting when it was hit and sunk by a torpedo, as well as shellfire (and my guess is the torpedo didn't come from Warspite!). Also, Many of the shipwrecked Germans were fired upon by British artillery and machine guns, and about 2,600 survivors were organised into an improvised marine infantry unit, the Gebirgsmarine, and fought alongside the 139. Gebirgsjägerregiment in the subsequent land battle. Altogether, not a particularly stirring effort for a ship the size and power of Warspite, especially when she was accompanied by nine RN destroyers against eight Germans out of fuel and ammo....
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:00 AM
I said "body count", not "stirring heroism against overwhelming odds"
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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:59 AM
Sounds more like shooting dead fish in a barrel to me! Compare that to any of the engagements at Guadalcanal, and it looks pretty uninspiring to me!  At the third battle, the Japanese sank  four US destroyers, two cruisers, smashed two more heavy cruisers and another destroyer and killed two US Admirals, at the cost of a destoyer, and eventually, the battleship Hiei......
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:29 AM

 searat12 wrote:
Sounds more like shooting dead fish in a barrel to me! Compare that to any of the engagements at Guadalcanal, and it looks pretty uninspiring to me!  At the third battle, the Japanese sank  four US destroyers, two cruisers, smashed two more heavy cruisers and another destroyer and killed two US Admirals, at the cost of a destoyer, and eventually, the battleship Hiei......

 

 

Yes, Japanese kicked ***.  But how much of the *** kicking is attributable to the battleship Hiei?   Just 1 destroyer.   Everyting else was done by the cruisers and destroyers.    The battleship just came along for moral support and to draw American fire away from the cruisers and destroyers.

Like I said, Warspite's record is not bad for any battleship.      She certainly deserve a model as much as any other battleship.

 

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Posted by searat12 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:16 AM

I don't think I said anywhere that HMS Warspite 'didn't deserve a model!'  What I said was that British capital ships are mostly known for being sunk or damaged.  And as far as inflicting injuries, in the Guadalcanal battle mentioned above, Kirishima pretty much blew away at least one US heavy cruiser, killing the Admiral aboard, etc, etc.  Scharnhorst sank a number of ships, including merchants, destroyers, and even an aircraft carrier, before finally meeting her match in HMS Duke of York, and all of these battles were against armed and desperate opponents, not unarmed, outta gas and tied up to the dock.......  You do realise I am teasing, don't you?  Personally, if a model of 'Warspite' were produced, I would hope it was in her WW1 guise (she was pretty ugly in WW2!)

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Posted by alumni72 on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 1:08 AM

rofl, I am really enjoying this "debate" - it's all in good fun, of course. Big Smile [:D]

For the record, the Kirishima and Hiei were tasked with bombarding the US Marine shore installations on Guadalcanal, not drawing the fire of the US cruisers - a surface action was not anticipated, as evidenced by the fact that both battleships had HE rounds stacked on their decks, according to extant sources.

 And let's not forget that the Akagi's "main battery" was responsible for plenty of damage at Pearl Harbor.  And Darwin.   And Ceylon.   And Java. 

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:37 AM
 alumni72 wrote:

 And let's not forget that the Akagi's "main battery" was responsible for plenty of damage at Pearl Harbor.  And Darwin.   And Ceylon.   And Java. 

 

On the contrary, her 8" guns never fired a shot in anger.  Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:34 AM
I think he was referring of course, to the many torpedo and dive bombers aboard.....
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Posted by alumni72 on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 2:34 PM

I could have been referring to her rechargeable main power source - dry cell, of course. Clown [:o)]

But yes, a carrier's air wing is always her main battery.

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Posted by Firecaptain on Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:27 AM

So has anyone here gotten all 3?

Commentary on differences(?)

Thanks.......

Joe
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Posted by mstazz62 on Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:17 PM

warshipbuilder - Trumpeter's Repulse and Prinz Eugen have been on sale at AAA Hobbies (Stevens International) for a while now. I've built the Repulse for the Stevens display booth at the Chicago hobby fair going on next? week, I think. Great kit - good detail and the P/E is superb! The inclined ladders are especially nice.

 I went there a week or so ago to get the Prinz Eugen and one of my modelling buddies had just left with the last one in stock! Oh, he's gonna get it! But anyway, they are expecting another shipment soon, so have at it as they say!

P.S. My stinkin' camera broke so I don't have any photos of the Repulse, but as soon as she comes home from Chicago I'm gonna get the folks at AAA to take some.

Mark Staszewski

mstazz62
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