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  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Stockton CA USA
Posted by roosterfish on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:13 PM
Anyone wonder what I drive? A true sleeper car, an '89 Taurus SHO. Or a '95 Dodge Dakota extended cab truck with a camper shell. Or a 2000 New Beetle. No Japanese cars.

OK, the Taurus does have the Japanese Yamaha racing engine and a Mazda 5-speed manual tranny in it. But no one can see that when I drive down the road.
Winners never quit; quitters never win.
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  • From: Lower Alabama
Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:14 PM
its great to have you back in the mix josh! we missed you my friend. later.
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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  • From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
Posted by maddafinga on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish

Anyone wonder what I drive? A true sleeper car, an '89 Taurus SHO. Or a '95 Dodge Dakota extended cab truck with a camper shell. Or a 2000 New Beetle. No Japanese cars.

OK, the Taurus does have the Japanese Yamaha racing engine and a Mazda 5-speed manual tranny in it. But no one can see that when I drive down the road.


Ironically, I raced a SHO just the other day. I hear those Yamaha engines hold up pretty well, how do you like yours? My Tauraus was a decent enough car, except for a pos tranny.

I love my Lumina, it will smoke the tires for 50 yards probably if I rev it some on takeoff. On the downside, I have to get more expensive tires, and I tend to need to buy more of them.

I'm glad to be back Chris!!
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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  • From: Stockton CA USA
Posted by roosterfish on Thursday, April 1, 2004 11:53 AM
The engine in the SHO is, well, weird and different. Ford originally came out with the car in 1989 because they had a burr up their rear end. Ford wanted a car to beat BMW. I don't know if Ford succeed their wish but the made a very unprofitable car that is a pure race car in disguise of a family sedan. The SHO -- which stands for Super High Output -- differed from the everyday Taurus because it had a pricier interior, stiffer suspension, tighter handling and a 3.0-liter double overhead cam hemi-engine V6 Yamaha engine that could power the car up to 142 m.p.h. O to 60 times were 5.9 seconds.

Ford wanted an engine that did not have a turbo and had power, more power than their other engines had. I don’t know how Yamaha got involved in making the super 3.0 liter engine but Yamaha came though…too well. It had too much power and Ford had the engine de-tuned simply because the family car Taurus was outrunning the Ford GTs. So the Yamaha engine power was detuned but the engine was still overbuilt. The engine had less horsepower than the Mustang but the Taurus still outran the ‘Tangs because the Taurus is lighter and the engine revved much higher. Ford lost money on the car because they had to overbuild the Taurus chassis. The Yamaha engine was flexing the body of the car too much and the car was steering out of control. The torque over steer is still very noticeable under full power. I had a friend almost fly over the top of an over crossing because he full-powered and the car and the car did the tricky left pull torque maneuver. I even warned him about the left pull torque.

Ford lost more money on the car because they had to overbuild the only Taurus with a manual transmission, oversized 4-wheel disc brakes and super-duty tires, install a station wagon oversized gas tank in a sedan, figure out how to get an oversized radiator into an engine compartment that is overstuffed with the exotic engine.

The engine is different. It is very quiet and well-balanced. You don’t know the engine is running unless you look at the tach.

Under full power it is also different. It is a small engine, just 3.0 liter, and acts like it when you take off, whimpy. But the whimp goes away very fast.

At full throttle it is all together a different breed. I read in Motor Trend magazine that the car would, “smoke the tires from 0 to 60 m.p.h.”. It is an extremely high revving engine and acts like it has three turbos in it. The engine acts like a turbo kicks in and gives an eerie whine, then the torque puts you in the seat. Boost #2 kicks in and you get pushed back even more. Then a third turbo boost hits and when you would expect an engine power to flatten out the SHO kicks you in the pants again. And all the time you are tightly holding the steering wheel to prevent the car from pulling to the left.

Oh Jeez, the car is FUN!

You want fun? How about a SHO motor in a Ford Festiva. It was known as the SHOgun. A couple were made. Jay Leno owns one.

http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4_SHOgun005.html


Winners never quit; quitters never win.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 1, 2004 6:08 PM
so in a way, the best cars are sedans.

i believe this to be true. think bmw. Bmw m3: 333 hp, $70000+ thats kinda racy, but that taurus, i would love to see it smoke a mustang
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, April 1, 2004 7:50 PM
Just buy a Lightning pickup. Wink [;)]
I talked to a guy in Los Angeles that has worked on his Lightning a little bit and he told me he has raced Dodge Vipers and beat them....In a truck! Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Lower Alabama
Posted by saltydog on Thursday, April 1, 2004 8:38 PM
gosh, and i thought rednecks only lived in the south. they're everywhere though arent they? if you mow your lawn and you find a car, you might be a redneck!! later.
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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  • From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, April 1, 2004 8:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1337

so in a way, the best cars are sedans.

i believe this to be true. think bmw. Bmw m3: 333 hp, $70000+ thats kinda racy, but that taurus, i would love to see it smoke a mustang


My LTZ will outrun a Mustang. I love a fast sedan, comfortable for long trips, room for friends and family or stuff from the store, and the cops don't give you a second look. I haven't had a ticket since my Camaro finally crapped out and I speed more than ever now.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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  • From: Lower Alabama
Posted by saltydog on Thursday, April 1, 2004 8:57 PM
guys, thats probably why we didnt hear from josh for a while!! he was jailed for an outstanding road rage crime!!! computer problems!! thats a likely one. Tongue [:P]Tongue [:P]Mischief [:-,]Captain [4:-)]
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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  • From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, April 1, 2004 10:28 PM
No way, I have a radar detector!!
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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