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Enamel or acrylic?
Posted by boatdetective on Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:09 PM

OK, let's have it. What yoes everyone prefer? It seems to me that the trend is towards acrylic. I have to say that it seems somewhat easier to clean up.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:24 PM

Enamel by far.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:43 PM

I prefer enamels as well. Especially for their durability. But acrylics are nice too, especially for their drying speed when you’re in a hurry. But I would say that the trend towards acrylics is caused mostly by many enamel lines being discontinued. 

 

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Posted by Ted4321 on Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:52 PM

Acrylic. 

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:07 PM
'namel, with some detours towards lacquers...
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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:34 PM

Depends what I'm painting. Enamel for planes due to the ease of spraying, Acrylics for ships because of their ease of brushing when needed, but it's not a hard and fast rule.

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:13 PM

mississippivol
'namel, with some detours towards lacquers...
 

Ditto 

Thanks,

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:00 AM

Enamels when available,but use all three.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:48 AM

I use all three. I do like enamel on old car bodies. Sometimes lacquer still has it's place.  But I like acrylic for interiors and floor pans, especially the Liquitex Soft Body line of paints because they tend to come out looking fabric like, I imagine Cteatex would too or any of the fine art acrylics made to be flexible and sprayed on hard or soft materials. I also use craft paints quite a bit. Actually my wife is a genious with brushing craft acrylics, where I more spray them than brush them. She paints her ceramics with them then I clear coat with Liquitex varnish for her.

I think acrylics in an airbrush are harder to clean than enamel or lacquer though ( just my personal experience after decades of solvent based paints and 18 months of acrylic), at least to get everything out. Water clean up just sounds easy, in my experience it takes more than water.. While more stinky, Lacquer thinner swished around over a couple of applicartions pretty much gets the solvent based paints out. It seems like with acrylic there is always some little nook with a dab of paint that won't let go. Acrylic is stubborn stuff especially if it dried a little.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:51 AM

Both have their place.  Depends on the job.  Enamels are my goto- I have been using them for about seventy years.  Particularly for glossy finishes, a gloss enamel gives a realistic gloss look without a clearcoat.  Great for older factory stock car- heavy glosscoat does not look right on a forties or fifties car.

I find acrylics a bit harder to airbrush unless I add retarder.  Some brush okay some don't.  I think there is almost more variation from brand to brand than between acrylic or enamel.  And, then, there are the lacquers :-)

 

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Posted by Tickmagnet on Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:50 AM

Acrylics. Easy clean up, no harsh odors. No harsh odors keeps the wife happy so I can just keep right on building to my hearts content. I don't care for the odors either and prefer easy water clean up.

 

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:43 AM

O.K. Tickmagnet ;

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:48 AM

Okay ;

 Ya got me here . I prefer Enamel above all else .Why ? Well I have been building , personally and professionally for over 65 years. I just started with Enamels and have always preferred them .  Now I am , like so many other marketing things , Being Forced to use the darned Acrylics .I say to Heck with this trend . Gimme my well covering line of Myriad enamels back .And Lacquers for my model cars !  T.B.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, February 17, 2019 10:23 AM

I also use them all. Acrylics, lacquers, enamels.

Mostly acrylics due to drying time, lack of solvent-based fumes, and easy cleanup. But I agree with Steve and others above, they all have a place in my building.

My favorite smell though is good old enamel, though that is my least used.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:16 AM

Hah ! Testors Enamels takes me back to 1959 to my little Testors bottles and very first cans of spray paint. Model Master enamels flows a little nicer but doesn't smell much different.

I find MM acrylic and especially Tamiya acrylic to go on much like enamel when thinned with my own thinner blend. Enamel dries slightly more glossy though. Either one can be buffed up later on. All of those I spray with a .5 needle from my 45 yo Badger 200. I don't get the acrylic spatter patterns you see in some videos fwiw. They look more like enamel going on, at least those two brands anyway. Enamel flows out a bit nicer initially.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:53 PM

I use both and occassional lacquer.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, February 18, 2019 9:09 AM

Greg

I also use them all. Acrylics, lacquers, enamels.

Mostly acrylics due to drying time, lack of solvent-based fumes, and easy cleanup. But I agree with Steve and others above, they all have a place in my building.

My favorite smell though is good old enamel, though that is my least used.

 

I like the smell of lacquer better than enamel.  And, my favorite smell is the old cellulose airplane dope.  I think that is from my early days at airports.  My dad's idea of spending quality time with me was taking me to airports and letting me wander off while he hanger-flew with his buddies.  I didn't mind, and learned a lot about airplanes and airports.  Ah, those smells of dope an hydraulic fluid!

 

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Posted by Rambo on Monday, February 18, 2019 12:40 PM
Acrylic for almost everything (Tamiya, Lifecolor, Mission Model, and have some AK real color paint coming to try) for airbrushing. Vallejo I gave up trying to airbrush it but absolutely love them for brush painting. For NMF I use Alclad II. For weathering I use enamel mostly the AK/MIG stuff.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, February 18, 2019 4:59 PM

Acrylics like Vallejo hand brush very well on figures and small parts.

For air brushing nothing beats enamels for their ease of use and  durability. I can spray hair thin lines with my Badger Renegade Xtra  thin tip air brush for hours without having to worry about tip dry, paint splatter etc.

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Posted by Tosh on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:59 AM

It’s definately a preference, you must experiment on which medium suits you.  I tend to use all three.  Acrylic and enamels for the interior/exterior.   And a spray of gloss lacquer before applying decals.

Mind you, I now have a apprentice at hand.  My grandson Ezra, so now I’ve been using a lot of acrylics.  No fumes and it’s ease of clean up.  My go to AB media is Vallejo Model Air.  No mixing needed as you can shoot it right out of the bottle.

I also use Model Master acrylic/enamel, depending on what needs to be covered.  Do what I have done, a little bit of acrylic, enamel, and lacquer as needed.  I’ve yet to try out Alclad, so this will be another experiment for me.  

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Posted by bluenote on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 8:00 AM

I use Tamiya acrylic for airbrushing and brush painting.  I try to airbrush almost everything and Tamiya is perfect for the low fumes, ease of cleanup and how easy it is applied.  2 drops paint for 1 drop of Tamiya thinner and it sprays perfectly every time.

The colour selection is more than fine with me.  

I also use it for brushpainting details and small parts and with a drop of tamiya retarder it works perfectly.

For car and motorcycle bodies, I stick with Lacquer (Scalefinishes).

I only used to use Testors and Modelmaster but Modelmaster is continually discontinuing colours and the fumes when airbrushing were becoming a problem. 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:01 AM

bluenote

I only used to use Testors and Modelmaster but Modelmaster is continually discontinuing colours and the fumes when airbrushing were becoming a problem.  

Testors Model Master are only eliminating certain colors in their enamel line - not all of them.

Your fume problem can be solved if you invested in a spray booth.

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Posted by bluenote on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:32 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 
bluenote

I only used to use Testors and Modelmaster but Modelmaster is continually discontinuing colours and the fumes when airbrushing were becoming a problem.  

 

Testors Model Master are only eliminating certain colors in their enamel line - not all of them.

Your fume problem can be solved if you invested in a spray booth.

 

 
Model Master used to have close 300 or so enamel colours at the height of their popularity, they are now down to around 100 (with about 60 of those specific to cars).  I think its pretty clear they are getting out of the enamel business.  They discontinued half of their enamel line with the discontinuation of their Model Master II line (international military and figure).  
 
Yup, I can get a spray booth, but why bother if there's acrylic paints that don't smell and I can just spray at my desk?  Much easier for me.  Don't really have the room either for a spray booth.
 
To each their own, but I have no use for Modelmaster anymore.  There's just way too many better options for me now.  
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:48 AM

bluenote

 

 
BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 

 

Testors Model Master are only eliminating certain colors in their enamel line - not all of them.

Your fume problem can be solved if you invested in a spray booth.

 

 

 
Model Master used to have close 300 or so enamel colours at the height of their popularity, they are now down to around 100 (with about 60 of those specific to cars).  I think its pretty clear they are getting out of the enamel business.  They discontinued half of their enamel line with the discontinuation of their Model Master II line (international military and figure).  
 
Yup, I can get a spray booth, but why bother if there's acrylic paints that don't smell and I can just spray at my desk?  Much easier for me.  Don't really have the room either for a spray booth.
 
To each their own, but I have no use for Modelmaster anymore.  There's just way too many better options for me now.  
 

I am wondering if Testors is really getting out of the enamel business.  While they have eliminated the military line, they have added colors to their general enamel color line.  Maybe they are just trying to bring in more crafts and non-military enthusiasts.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:06 PM

bluenote

 

 
BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 
bluenote

I only used to use Testors and Modelmaster but Modelmaster is continually discontinuing colours and the fumes when airbrushing were becoming a problem.  

 

Testors Model Master are only eliminating certain colors in their enamel line - not all of them.

Your fume problem can be solved if you invested in a spray booth.

 

 

 
Model Master used to have close 300 or so enamel colours at the height of their popularity, they are now down to around 100 (with about 60 of those specific to cars).  I think its pretty clear they are getting out of the enamel business.  They discontinued half of their enamel line with the discontinuation of their Model Master II line (international military and figure).  
 
Yup, I can get a spray booth, but why bother if there's acrylic paints that don't smell and I can just spray at my desk?  Much easier for me.  Don't really have the room either for a spray booth.
 
To each their own, but I have no use for Modelmaster anymore.  There's just way too many better options for me now.  
 

Its not so much that Model Master discontinued their MMII line as that they consolidated both lines, and discontinued colors from both lines. And they also added new colors. They finally introduced enamel versions of their ship colors, as well as some various new international colors. And as stated above, they have expanded their small square bottle enamel line and more than doubled the old color selection there. 

I suspect that Testor enamels are not going away anytime soon.

 

 

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Posted by bluenote on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 6:34 PM

stikpusher

 

 
bluenote

 

 
BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

 
bluenote

I only used to use Testors and Modelmaster but Modelmaster is continually discontinuing colours and the fumes when airbrushing were becoming a problem.  

 

Testors Model Master are only eliminating certain colors in their enamel line - not all of them.

Your fume problem can be solved if you invested in a spray booth.

 

 

 
Model Master used to have close 300 or so enamel colours at the height of their popularity, they are now down to around 100 (with about 60 of those specific to cars).  I think its pretty clear they are getting out of the enamel business.  They discontinued half of their enamel line with the discontinuation of their Model Master II line (international military and figure).  
 
Yup, I can get a spray booth, but why bother if there's acrylic paints that don't smell and I can just spray at my desk?  Much easier for me.  Don't really have the room either for a spray booth.
 
To each their own, but I have no use for Modelmaster anymore.  There's just way too many better options for me now.  
 

 

 

Its not so much that Model Master discontinued their MMII line as that they consolidated both lines, and discontinued colors from both lines. And they also added new colors. They finally introduced enamel versions of their ship colors, as well as some various new international colors. And as stated above, they have expanded their small square bottle enamel line and more than doubled the old color selection there. 

I suspect that Testor enamels are not going away anytime soon.

 

 

do you know any of the names of the new colours?  I’ve been checking in on testors website and it shows the same colours for years.  I can’t see anything new.

this is definately good news though, I didnt know they were adding any new colours

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:41 PM

In the Model Master line, some of the new colors are German- Feldgrau (Olivgrau) RAL 6003, Olivgelb, the previous mentioned naval colors such as hull red, RN, USN, and DKM colors. In the little square bottle colors they have new colors such as pea soup, sunflower, honey, etc. They are named in crafty names, but of course have uses in our hobby.

 

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Posted by bluenote on Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:10 AM

stikpusher

In the Model Master line, some of the new colors are German- Feldgrau (Olivgrau) RAL 6003, Olivgelb, the previous mentioned naval colors such as hull red, RN, USN, and DKM colors. In the little square bottle colors they have new colors such as pea soup, sunflower, honey, etc. They are named in crafty names, but of course have uses in our hobby.

 

 
All of those Modelmaster colours you mentioned are part of the Modelmaster II line (International Military & Figure Enamel Paints) which according to Testors were all discontinued.  
 
 
But perhaps you mean that they've kept some of those and combined them with the Modelmaster I line?
 
Ugh, Testors always seems to make this so confusing!  Even on their website they make no indication of the discontinued paints!  It would be so much easier if they had an up-to-date paint chart.
 
Thanks for the information Stikpusher!  Perhaps I jumped to the wrong conclusion that Testors was discontinuing their enamel line.  
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:01 AM

In the round bottles they have a couple of new metallic colors, and have brought back the semi-gloss black, which I really like.  I believe they used to call it black chrome, but the new semi-gloss black seems to have the same sheen as the old black chrome.

 

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:52 AM

Don Stauffer

In the round bottles they have a couple of new metallic colors, and have brought back the semi-gloss black, which I really like.  I believe they used to call it black chrome, but the new semi-gloss black seems to have the same sheen as the old black chrome.

 

 

In the round bottle Model Master enamels they have Gloss Black and Classic Black. The local dealer told me the Classic has less gloss than the Gloss black fwiw. I have just the Gloss black, I have plenty of acrylics that can cover matt or satin blacks and anything in between so I  have not bought the Classic black to confirm. But the little bit I saw on the rim when I peaked in a jar did seem it would dry with less gloss than the full gloss.

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