Ignorant people

If it is a winter scene I like to white-wash with some sourcream.

Just did a spatter effect with Sauerkraut.  

This really got off topic.  Ignorant people degraded into Delicious brauts.

MortarMagnet wrote:

This really got off topic.  Ignorant people degraded into Delicious brauts.

You people need to eat before posting.

I would eat but I just started a hunger strike to get David Voss to post his picture.

When I grow old, I want to become an half expert, I mean I'll know half part of everything, but I have not decided yet what half I want to know.

The bottom half. Trust me on this!

This topic reminds me of an old, all too familiar saying that my dad told me a long time ago as a boy, you all have heard it, remember; "Talk is cheap..actions speaks louder than words."  Often times, and more so than not..some people talk the talk and brag, but can't deliver.  You can almost always seperate the fakes from the real deal in people instantly.  When you ask them to validate a claim or assertion...they always fold.  This is what has made me a good detective over the years.  God knows I'm not an expert, I learn new stuff everyday.  Heck, I just got "dupped" 6 year-old the other day!, LOL!  However my actions, based on experience and a working knowlegde of whatever I'm doing, only makes me professional.  As someone has already eluded...a true "professional", "expert" or whatever- is almost always slow to speak, has no desire to be right or have the last word, he is humble and quietely content in his or her own knowlegde.  True professionals only offer strong, feverent opinions only when asked, but most improtantly, they can always back it up with working facts, based on experience-not fluff.  You've heard them before..they're the ones doing most of the talking.  MikeV as well as others here on this forum are the real deal in my humble opinion. 

Whenever I go to a shooting range, I try not to talk to certain group of people because of their "EXPERTISE" in related field.  Once I was test firing my pistol with new handloads, one guy approaches me and tells me that I'm doing it all wrong and if I ever get in a situation I'll be dead.   Tried to ignore the guy, but keep on insist that he will change the way I was shooting.  I got to the point where I had to ask him for his credentials and I had to tell him about my credentials and he had nothing to offer to me and he was wasting my time.  This guy was not a certified firearms instructor, no military or law enforcement experience, but only thing that he ever took was an NRA first step pistol course (and to him that qualified him as a SWAT team NAVY SEAL commando). 

A - holes are there for a reason.  They are amongst us in our society so that rest of us look better. 

m1garand wrote:

Whenever I go to a shooting range, I try not to talk to certain group of people because of their "EXPERTISE" in related field.  Once I was test firing my pistol with new handloads, one guy approaches me and tells me that I'm doing it all wrong and if I ever get in a situation I'll be dead.   Tried to ignore the guy, but keep on insist that he will change the way I was shooting.

I give you lot's of credit. I would of had a new target by that point.

I got to the point where I had to ask him for his credentials and I had to tell him about my credentials and he had nothing to offer to me and he was wasting my time.  This guy was not a certified firearms instructor, no military or law enforcement experience, but only thing that he ever took was an NRA first step pistol course (and to him that qualified him as a SWAT team NAVY SEAL commando).  A - holes are there for a reason.  They are amongst us in our society so that rest of us look better.

Got to love them don't you...? 

jhande wrote:

m1garand wrote: Whenever I go to a shooting range, I try not to talk to certain group of people because of their "EXPERTISE" in related field.  Once I was test firing my pistol with new handloads, one guy approaches me and tells me that I'm doing it all wrong and if I ever get in a situation I'll be dead.   Tried to ignore the guy, but keep on insist that he will change the way I was shooting. I give you lot's of credit. I would of had a new target by that point.

LOL.

Getting back on the ketchup bottle question you had, the green kind have finer particles therefore might work better coming out the current nozzle.

MikeV wrote:

MortarMagnet wrote: Just me being ignorant... I mean that literally because I do not know... doesn't tip size increase the potential width.  The taper is what controls the width though... right? Tip size and needle size are complimentary to each other depending on the medium being sprayed but yes taper is what really controls fine line size. Put a fine needle in an airbrush with the medium tip and it will spray a finer line than the medium needle will because of the faster taper. Airbrushes with very small tips such as the fine Sotar tip and the Iwata Micron are made that way to produce the finest lines with paint mediums that will flow well through them such as inks and watercolors. A smaller tip does not necessarily mean a finer line by its size though and that is the point I am trying to make.

So let me tell you what I got from this, cause you have me quite excited If I want a fine line, I leave the medium tip in and put the fine needle in, but if I want a broader spray pattern, I just chuck the heavy needle in with the medium tip, right? Does that make any sense, or is it just not that simple?

Colin,

The heavy needle with the medium tip will not spray any wider than the medium needle.
When you want full blast coverage that is when bigger tips come in, not needles.

archangel571 wrote:

Getting back on the ketchup bottle question you had, the green kind have finer particles therefore might work better coming out the current nozzle.

Thanks Ryan, now all I have to do is wait for my ketchup to turn moldy...
J/K
I'll have to fight with my son, he loves the green kind.

MikeV wrote:

Tip size and needle size are complimentary to each other depending on the medium being sprayed but yes taper is what really controls fine line size. Put a fine needle in an airbrush with the medium tip and it will spray a finer line than the medium needle will because of the faster taper. Airbrushes with very small tips such as the fine Sotar tip and the Iwata Micron are made that way to produce the finest lines with paint mediums that will flow well through them such as inks and watercolors. A smaller tip does not necessarily mean a finer line by its size though and that is the point I am trying to make.

Ok Mike, I'm going to be a bit ignorant here too. I just want to make sure I'm grasping the concept correctly from all the info I've been getting at different places. 

• The medium being sprayed plays a big role on the best nozzle/needle size needed.
• Nozzle & needle size are somewhat matched together.
• Changing a needle from say a .35mm AB to a .5mm needle will have no noticable difference.
• Changing a needle & nozzle from say a .2mm AB to a .5mm needle & nozzle will be noticable.
• Taper of the needle plays a roll as to how it seats with the nozzle, which in turn also effects to a certain degree...
• The opening size of the orifice (venturi for atomization) caused by pulling the needle in from the nozzle determining the line width. A long slow taper allows fast flow compared to a short blunt taper (less precision and control).

That's about all the info I've gather so far. Some came from Iwata so I don't dare question there reasoning or facts. If something isn't quite correct, please point me in the right direction. Or if I need to know more I sure would also appreciate that too. 

Never to old to learn...
A mind is a terrible thing to waste...
But what do you do when you don't have one? 

Hey Mike, I need your help understanding this whole concept. I don't think I'm grasping it correctly.   

I seem to be a bit confussed and my brain is on vaction somewhere, me thinks a beach because I briefly seen a nice blonde in a bikini. 

I don't mind if you want to teach me here or private lessons via e-mail. 

jhande wrote:

Hey Mike, I need your help understanding this whole concept. I don't think I'm grasping it correctly.    I seem to be a bit confussed and my brain is on vaction somewhere, me thinks a beach because I briefly seen a nice blonde in a bikini.  I don't mind if you want to teach me here or private lessons via e-mail.

LoL... when ya find your head, be sure to wash it

First I thought it was seaweed...
Then green ketchup...
Realized I just went moldy...   

jhande wrote:

Hey Mike, I need your help understanding this whole concept. I don't think I'm grasping it correctly.    I seem to be a bit confussed and my brain is on vaction somewhere, me thinks a beach because I briefly seen a nice blonde in a bikini.  I don't mind if you want to teach me here or private lessons via e-mail.

What don't you understand?
The smaller nozzles and tips are designed for thin, fine pigmented mediums such as watercolors and inks as they can spray those mediums finely and as such they are the finest spraying airbrushes you can buy. For the paints we use the smallest diameter nozzle you can get away with is the best choice as long as it sprays reliably. With that said, a needle with a sharper, faster taper will have the greatest potential for the finest lines as the paint comes out of that small nozzle and travels along that needle coming to a sharp point at the needle tip. If a medium needle were used it would have a slower taper and be better for all around coverage although not quite as sharp as the fine needle because the taper is less.
Does that make sense?

Mike, do air pressure and paint viscosity have any additional effect on how fine or broad a pattern can be airbrushed?

... humm... duh... I knew that...

Sorry Mike, I didn't grasp that from how you were saying it before. It was throwing me off track a bit.

Maybe my wife is right... I should have changed my modeling cement?

Oh wait... that's me!    

Thanks Mike, sorry again.
Sometimes people just have to bear with me. Wake-up

My wife says I drive her crazy since my accident. Don't know why?
What were we talking about?
Oh yeah... the blonde on the beach and washing the mold off my head.

No problem Jim, sorry I didn't explain myself as well as I should have.

ruddratt wrote:

Mike, do air pressure and paint viscosity have any additional effect on how fine or broad a pattern can be airbrushed?

Yes. Pressure not so much as viscosity.
Higher pressure produces better atomization but higher pressure also produces more overspray so it's a toss up. The paint viscosity and pigment size are the most important factors as you have more control at lower pressures with lower viscosity, finer pigmented paints.
Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks, Mike.

My pleasure my friend.
Glad I was able to help.

MikeV wrote:

No problem Jim, sorry I didn't explain myself as well as I should have.

It's not your fault Mike.

I blew through High School and my first College with honors and hardly doing homework. Now that my wiring is all jumbled up stairs I'm struggling with a tutor to get me through English Comp and refresh some of my math. Seems that I can look at the math problem, I know I know it but can't always figure out how to do it. Dang short circuits, working like heck for B's right now.
Can't wait till we get to the fun stuff that I know more about.

Thanks again Mike for simplifying the explanation.

What happened Jim that caused your "wiring up stairs" to give you problems?

I had gotten a concussion 3 years ago at work. I still have spells of vertigo (dizzy), I get headaches - migraines often, short term memory loss, blurry vision in my right eye from time to time and a few other problems.

The MRI's and CAT Scans all came out ok. I've been to many so called specialist and I get the same answer. "All test are fine, sometimes people that get a concussion might suffer these symptoms for short periods, long periods or the rest of their life. All we can do is find the right combination of medications that will help reduce the effects and still allow you to function." Some of the meds are fun, but I don't want to be stoned forever! I want to get on with my life.

Dang, see what I mean... I took my bedtime pills and I'm wide awake at 4:20 am. Sometimes I go for 3 days straight before I can go to sleep. But while I'm awake, I'm kind of a zombie if you know what I mean.

Sorry to hear that my friend.
I had a concussion from a car wreck back in 1983 but I have no lasting effects thank God.

Thank you.
Glad to hear you didn't have any problems.

Guess I should consider myself lucky. A friend (single dad) went fishing with his buddy a year ago about a 1/4 mile from his house. He sat in the back of the pickup holding onto the boat. Both he and the boat fell out in the road on the way home, he got a concussion but was knocked unconscious. Was rushed by chopper to the hospital, never woke-up, died that night or early next morning. Rough situation, he had two sons 12 years old (twins) a daughter 6 years old. His wife lived in Florida and the kids didn't want to go with her. Dad never got to say good bye to his kids, grandma tried fighting to keep the kids up here with the rest of the family, mom won in court and took them away, never to visit back again. The same day of my friends accident, he delivered my new living room furniture, couldn't get it through the door, took the window out of the bay window because he knew my wife really wanted the set.

I still can't go fishing at that pond for some reason.

Oop's... I did it again. Sorry for rambling.