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  • Member since
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Clips for painting.
Posted by Bakster on Monday, November 26, 2018 8:25 PM

I love simple things that are built well and that are sold for a fair price. I bought a set of 50 for around $13 off Amazon.

Years ago I made a dozen or so using a wood dowel. They have seen better days and it was time to either make more or buy some. I'd be hard pressed to make 50 for only $13. More than that though--the time spent doing it.

The clips are pretty decent quality. I'd say better than the ones I had used to make my own. The wire is stiff enough to hold most any part. 

In case you are interested:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071Y5FQNX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

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Posted by Greg on Monday, November 26, 2018 8:30 PM

I can't believe this, Stevie.

I ordered a few jars of Tamiya clear last night, these clips popped up and I ordered them too!

What a crazy coincidence. Surprise

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, November 26, 2018 8:35 PM

Greg

I can't believe this, Stevie.

I ordered a few jars of Tamiya clear last night, these clips popped up and I ordered them too!

What a crazy coincidence. Surprise

 

LMAO! In tears!

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Posted by Rambo on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:30 AM
I've been looking for something like this but smooth jawed.

Clint

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:26 AM

Rambo
I've been looking for something like this but smooth jawed.
 

Yeah, these are definately not that. I suppose a person could file the teeth down but that could be some work.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:40 AM

They make miniature clothespins that have wooden jaws with no teeth. I use them a lot.  They have no rod attached, but i grab the mini-clothespin with a full size one to hold the model/part with.

They even make sub-mini clothespins, but I don't use them much.  The spring is too weak to hold much, and they misalign easily, but the mini ones are great.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:08 AM

Don Stauffer

They make miniature clothespins that have wooden jaws with no teeth. I use them a lot.  They have no rod attached, but i grab the mini-clothespin with a full size one to hold the model/part with.

They even make sub-mini clothespins, but I don't use them much.  The spring is too weak to hold much, and they misalign easily, but the mini ones are great.

 

 

That's interesting, Don. You should post a link to them.

If Rambo's concern is the marring of plastic-- the aligator clips WILL do so. It is minimal, but they do mar. I tested that this morning. For my work flow it is a non-issue. I attach the clips to areas that are not seen, and there are ways around instances where that is not available to do so. I am sure Rambo has a very good reason for wanting them toothless. So--maybe the clothspin option may work?

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Posted by Rambo on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:36 AM

Bakster

 

 
Don Stauffer

They make miniature clothespins that have wooden jaws with no teeth. I use them a lot.  They have no rod attached, but i grab the mini-clothespin with a full size one to hold the model/part with.

They even make sub-mini clothespins, but I don't use them much.  The spring is too weak to hold much, and they misalign easily, but the mini ones are great.

 

 

 

 

That's interesting, Don. You should post a link to them.

 

If Rambo's concern is the marring of plastic-- the aligator clips WILL do so. It is minimal, but they do mar. I tested that this morning. For my work flow it is a non-issue. I attach the clips to areas that are not seen, and there are ways around instances where that is not available to do so. I am sure Rambo has a very good reason for wanting them toothless. So--maybe the clothspin option may work?

 

This sounds like a good idea I'll look for some of them mini clothespins. Yeah marring the plastic is a concern but want something to replace the clips on my third hand station too.

Clint

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:59 PM

just go to ebay , $1.50 fpr a 100 , free postage .

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:50 AM

Last time I was in Michaels they had the mini-clothspins.  Originally got mine at Model Expo.  Model Expo is the only source I know who has the micro ones, but I do not find them as useful.  I have them- they are cute- but don't work real well.  Not a very strong spring so they don't hold a very heavy part.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:48 PM

I usually put a couple of layers of masking tape on each jaw of the 'gator clips to make smooth jaws.....if you put the last layer on sticky side out it helps hold tiny stuff.

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:20 PM

goldhammer

I usually put a couple of layers of masking tape on each jaw of the 'gator clips to make smooth jaws.....if you put the last layer on sticky side out it helps hold tiny stuff.

 

Good idea too. 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:03 PM

goldhammer

I usually put a couple of layers of masking tape on each jaw of the 'gator clips to make smooth jaws.....if you put the last layer on sticky side out it helps hold tiny stuff.

 

I agree, good ideas. Thanks.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:43 PM

Not crazy about the toothed jaws. You’ll risk making marks on plastic parts while painting. Don‘t use them to hold tiny / delicate parts. Otherwise, you’ll experience the dreaded “poink” of losing them forever.

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  • From: Louisville KY
Posted by DMX512 on Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:38 AM

Putting some heat shrink on the jaws should work to reduce the bite of the points.

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:40 PM

DMX512

Putting some heat shrink on the jaws should work to reduce the bite of the points.

 

There is a novel idea.

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  • From: Roanoke Virginia
Posted by Strongeagle on Friday, November 30, 2018 11:35 AM

I think this is what you're looking for.  Search "toothless alligator clip" on ebay.

Micro Toothless Alligator Test Clip Copper Plated with Smooth Jawed and M... New

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:37 AM

I use regular wood clothespins from the Dollar Store. They work great for securing parts for gluing or painting.

 GIFMaker.org_jy_Ayj_O

 

 

Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:19 AM

Strongeagle

I think this is what you're looking for.  Search "toothless alligator clip" on ebay.

Micro Toothless Alligator Test Clip Copper Plated with Smooth Jawed and M... New

 

Had never seen these, didn't know they existed and they look good. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Steve, what are the rods your clips are attached to made of, and did they come attached? Mine finally came. I guess I ordered a slightly different set. Mine have wood stems and I guess I am supposed to attach the alligator clips to the stems.

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Posted by Strongeagle on Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:27 AM
Mine are affixed to standard toothpicks using the crimp feature on the connector end and I've been using them for ten years.
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Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:30 AM

Strongeagle
Mine are affixed to standard toothpicks using the crimp feature on the connector end and I've been using them for ten years.
 

Thanks for your feedback. I guess I'm curious did you crimp them on yourself? 10 years ago, you might not remember!

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Posted by Strongeagle on Saturday, December 1, 2018 8:57 AM
Yes. Note that these things are made of soft copper. There are two tabs on the connector end. I use a pair of long nose pliers and give them a squeeze around the toothpick. I usually shorten the toothpick a bit so that I can crimp them around a fatter part of the toothpick. I've even uncrimped them and replaced the toothpick on occasion. You could crimp them to a wire and solder them if you wished (that's their original purpose). I bought a batch of twenty from Radio Shack when we had one locally. The were co-located with the toothed style on the display wall.
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Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:04 AM

Thanks for the great ideas and descriptions! Yes

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:31 AM

Greg
Steve, what are the rods your clips are attached to made of, and did they come attached? Mine finally came. I guess I ordered a slightly different set. Mine have wood stems and I guess I am supposed to attach the alligator clips to the stems.

Oh man... No. Mine came already attached. The rods as you call them are more like bare cable. They are tightly wound bundles of wire. The mini cables are stiff. They are probably used as such because they are a cheap solution. The clips are tightly crimped to the cable. The only downside that I see with this cable is that one best not be pushing the bottom cables into styrofoam to create holes for standing because the wires will start coming apart. I used to do that with my homemade wooden dowel versions. So, what I did was is to pre-drill holes in a cardboard box. Problem is solved. I will update this post later with an image.

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Posted by Strongeagle on Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:33 AM

toothless

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 1, 2018 9:40 AM

Yep. Pre drilled like that.

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:36 AM

I see. I'm just curious. I wish I'd ordered the ones you have, Steve. Though I sure like those flat ones.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 1, 2018 12:04 PM

Here is what my clips look like in use. This is a bad example because I would normally clip right to the locating pin on the piece. In this case, I drilled into some sprue and used them as a holder. My old clips were not holding things very well and the clips were becoming loose on the dowel. That, and I was short on clips through attrition. In fact--this job is what prompted me to get new clips. Anyway--I already had them mounted as such and I left them like that for this painting session.

The box is from a holiday light insert that I taped up. I needed something quick and dirty. I will probably get something thicker so that the wires are buried deeper. As it is, it is usable.

Below-- here is an example of my old system. I am noting this because it is a good example of my work flow. 

For very tiny parts, my last option is rolling a piece of Tamiya tape onto itself and sticking the part to it. Then, I clip to the piece of tape. 

If anyone is interested in my heated sprue process--let me know.

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, December 1, 2018 1:13 PM

Bakster
If anyone is interested in my heated sprue process--let me know.

Oh, by all means, please do tell.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:48 PM

Greg
Oh, by all means, please do tell.

Greggie--ask and ye shall receive. 

I came up with this trick on my first modeling tour. It works fantastic, if you follow the process closely.

1. Cut a piece of sprue to use as a handle.

2. Get a lighter and hold the flame at the end of the sprue just long enough for the plastic to ignite. You will need to hold the sprue in the flame to accomplish it. Once ignited, pull the lighter away and let the sprue burn on its own.

 

It will look sort of like this. The camera makes the flame look bigger and hotter than it actually is. No matter, it's burning.

3. Let the flame burn for 3 seconds. Do the 1 one thousand 2 one thousand 3 one thousand trick.

4. After 3 seconds immediately blow out the flame.

5. After the flame is out, wait 4 seconds and then press the sprue into the unseen side of the piece. Don't force it. The plastic is soft. Let it do the work for you. Just push it gently until you see the plastic spread out as shown below.

6. Hold the sprue and piece as steady as you can for about 10 seconds. Then set it down to fully cool. It should take only a few minutes to fully cool.

And you are done! 

This will not damage the outward facing side as long as you follow my process. If you let the sprue burn too long--it will become hotter--and then it's a guessing game of how long to wait for attachment.

You get a pretty decent bond doing this. I can even do a final soap wash with them attached if you are careful not to stress the connection too much. But--if you do--just follow the same process. NOTE: If you must redo it--clip off the previous melt point because leaving it there messes up the formula. You risk over-heating the piece and you don't get as good a connection. Trust me on this, it's important.


When you are ready to remove the handles you simply bend them away from the piece and they easily pop off. All that remains is a blackened area where it was connected.

I would encourage people to practice on scrap first. The formula is pretty foolproof, but you need to get a feel for how much pressure to exert, and in keeping the piece steady until cooled enough. Trust me. This all sounds harder than it really is. I am giving you all the what nots. But in practice--it is very easy to do. I have been doing this process a long time and it works very well.

Lastly--I would not use this method on very small pieces or--where there is not a lot of plastic to dissipate the heat. The pieces in this post and in my first are good examples of what is safe to do it on.

Oh--and one other thing. The backside of the piece does not need to be flat for this to work. It works perfectly fine on irregular pieces. Like let's say a car engine that his dips and such.

 

 

 

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