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EEYYYOOOWWW: a practical lesson learned the hard way

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EEYYYOOOWWW: a practical lesson learned the hard way
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:22 PM

This is being written as a means of calming myself down after the stupidest accident I've had in 55 years of modeling.

The second stupidest happened in about 1972, when I felt something rolling off my workbench, snapped my legs together to catch whatever it was, and thereby embedded an Xacto knife up to its hilt in my right thigh.  Tonight's stunt was dumber - and even more spectacular.

My wife is out of town and I'm batching it, so I sat down at the workbench about 11:00 to work a bit on my little Bluejacket resin lobster boat.

I needed to put a couple of tiny drops of CA adhesive on the ends of a rigging line. Unfortunately the regular screw-off cap on the nozzle of the bottle was stuck.  So I casually unscrewed the whole nozzle, opening up the whole bottle.  I dipped a wire in the glue, got the first of my little drops, and applied it to the model.  My left elbow then hit the bottle and knocked it over on the workbench.

Suddenly I had a 4"-wide puddle of CA in front of me.  Several Vallejo paint bottles, a pair of tweezers, and a couple of other tools were in the middle of it.  I rescued the bottles and the tools, and then confronted the puddle itself.  The closest thing to hand with which I could wipe it up was a package of baby wipes, which I keep on the bench to keep my hands clean.

Bad mistake.  The wipes soaked up the CA all right, but they did it so fast that I was caught by surprise when a couple of wipes suddenly got glued to my fingers. 

Like everybody else, I suspect, I've gotten drops of CA on my fingers plenty of times.  But this was different. I was completely unprepared for the awful burning sensation. My fingertips were literally smoking. The smell was awful, too. 

The pain was such that I instinctively grabbed another handful of wipes and started rubbing my fingers to try to cool them off.  That made things worse.  My right middle finger, in particular, hurt so much that I had to take a pair of pliers and literally peel away a mangled wipe, along with a couple of layers of skin, before the pain eased up. 

At that point I made my way to the bathroom, ran cold water on my hands, and dug out a little tube of Pain Relief Neo-Sporin.  That helped some.  Now a couple of my fingers are wrapped up in bandaids. I hope they don't keep me awake all night. If the damage had been any worse I would have headed for the emergency room, where I'm sure I would have given the doctors and nurses a good laugh.

I have, of course, been thinking about what I did wrong and what I should have done different. I've read several times about little wood or plastic foam bases to hold bottles so it's physically impossible to knock them over. Such a gadget is on my agenda for tomorrow.

In retrospect, having done the initial stupid stunt, I probably should have rescued the tools and paint bottles and then shot the puddle with CA accelerator. That would have wrecked the big self-healing board cover on my bench top - but it's probably ruined anyway.  (Well, I was about due for a new one anyhow.) And I guess I'll buy a bottle of de-bonder.

That's about the most positive thing I can think of to say about this little episode. No further progress on the lobster boat tonight. Sympathetic moaning sounds would be appreciated.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:46 PM

Keep a rag handy nearby for future spills of any sort... Dry of course. It sounds like there was some sort of chemical interaction between the CA and whatever was in the baby wipes to cause that burning. Sounds like your worst  injury here is a bruised ego... Which is far better than a puncture wound and potential infection... I think some medicinal Brandy or other spirit might be in order to aid in recovery from this mishap ;)

 

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Posted by Tarasdad on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:26 AM

The wicking action of the wipes spread the CA thin and allowed more surface area to contact...the water in the cleaner in the wipes. Instant accelerated bonding. You're lucky, CA can easily cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns. It may still be worth it to have your fingers checked by a doctor.

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Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:28 AM

I had a similar accident jtilley so you're not alone.  mine happened with paper towels that actually started smoking from the heat.   I wraped the bottom of the CA bottles with  " play dough " .  After a few days the Play dough hardened and shrunk a little and now my glue will not fall over and I have reusuable CA glue bases.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:56 AM

From an AULD PHART :

Hey Till !  Mooaan,Mooaan .OOOH that Hurts .Ouch , Darned ,Fiddlesticks and others I won't say in your defense ( not for civilized ears ! )Been there done that .There's still some ship parts glued to my old workspace  .Super-Glue sure gits aggressive when wet don't it ?

Oh , and what " Stik " said too .
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:48 AM

I like the Playdough idea. Anything that will keep the bottle from falling over.

Just took the band aids off. No souvenirs from last night except one tender red blister on the right middle fingertip. The CA left on the other fingers peeled off naturally. I was indeed lucky. 

Thanks for the sympathy, gentlemen. Unfortunately there's no known cure for clumsiness, senility, or stupidity.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:17 AM

Yikes, that doesn't sound like fun at all.

After reading this, at my end I will be treating my CA bottles with a new-found respect.

We mess with some potentially dangerous stuff. All it takes is to stop thinking for a couple seconds. Scares me cuz I don't think all that well in general any more.

Thinking of the Sarge in Hill Street Blues, let's be careful out there. And hope your fingers/hands heal quickly, J.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:10 PM

DOH !!!  But I learned something from all this- I didn't realize CA got really hot when mixed with water!  I will be constantly aware of that now!

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:26 PM

As I understand it, CAs work by catalyzing water that's in the atmosphere. I've seen ads recently for a couple of new brands that don't require water. One of them, Nextabond 2500, is reviewed in this month's Fine Woodworking magazine. The reviewer loved it - for wood-to-wood joints. I may pick up a bottle.

All sorts of crud is now stuck to my bench. I'm going to be sure it's really dry before I try to get it loose. Maybe I can save the board cover.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:53 PM

That Sir ! Is why I work mostly on glass ! Although the main surface is a 46 year old piece of Corian  .Remember that stuff ? Get it stained or really gross and just wet sand it down with Automotive  , Wet or Dry  sandpaper ( wet ) and it's good as new and can be buffed to a high shine too .

   Great for a work surface. Now , take care of them thar fingers fella .They's the only uns ya git !

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Posted by cwalker3 on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:57 PM

I'm glad you came away from that relatively intact. And I'd wager that anyone who has used CA for any length of time has done the same thing to one degree or another. When it happened to me I just happened to have a bunch of dry wipes handy plus there was nothing on the desk where the puddle ended up. Now there were other times where I didn't come away so clean. Several times one or more of my fingers have been glued together and then there was that time that my lips were glued together. Sometimes my wife probably wishes that they still were.

Cary

 


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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:13 PM

What? Wait... you glued your lips together by accident?!? How the heck did you do that? LOL!  

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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:39 PM

Been there and done that, too. I was jabbing a needle into the clog and was inadvertantly squeezing the bottle, and sprayed glue all over my hand. I had the foresight to keep my fingers open so I wouldn't stick to myself, but it did get quite warm as it cured.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, July 25, 2014 9:22 AM

Hey !

How the heck did you glue your lips together ? I have glued an eyelid ( trip to the emergency room there ) because a bottle top shot off when I was under it ! I was fixing a ceiling fan light . I don't do  that anymore either .It is dangerous stuff , but I love it anyway !

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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:09 PM

There are people out there who wish I would glue my lips together! Big Smile

How in the world did you manage that, anyway?

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Posted by Tarasdad on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:09 PM

I have glued the occasional finger to a model I was working on (balsa and ply, RC models mostly). Never managed to glue any other bodily parts, thank goodness.

Tarasdad

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:24 PM

Man that is an aweful story.  I am sorry to hear that happened.  I tell you what though.  That is a lesson we can all learn from.  Thanks for sharing that and I hope your fingers are doing ok now.

Steve

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:42 PM

Medical update, a week after the Stupid Stunt. All but one of the fingers have healed completely. The right middle fingertip is still a bit tender, and has a tiny scab on it. I'm sure the scab will be gone in a few more days.

I was able to save the workbench cover. There are still a couple of blobs of CA on it that need to be scraped (not sanded!) off. No serious damage to tools or paint jars. I really was lucky.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52 AM

Hey, Proff !

   Since you wrote this I really did a boo-boo ! I rented a nail gun and proceeded to nail my shoe to the floor ! The safety was faulty. The rental place not only gave me another tool to use , but bought me a new pair of shoes .Thank goodness no flesh was damaged though .Just totally embarrassed.

 I was showing a neighbor lady how to use the thing .Well, I am sure she thought I was a dumb Klutz but didn't say it . The main thing is ,there was no serious damage to your person .How could we get along if the Proff. was off duty ?

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:22 AM

Glad to hear your wounds are healing nicely, J.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:50 AM
jtilley

Thanks for the sympathy, gentlemen. Unfortunately there's no known cure for clumsiness, senility, or stupidity.

High political office? I think you really should go see a derm. Ouch I am sorry that happened I pour out a little puddle of CA on a short strip of blue tape, then re-close the bottle and keep it at the back of the bench. Usually do the same with paint.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39 PM

Hey G;

   I did that once and thought the fan blew my little piece of tape away .Then my landlady at lunch wanted to know " how come you got a piece of paper glued to your leg ? " I wear shorts a lot .

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:10 PM

When I was a kid, I had an uncle who was a butcher.  He gave me some wise advice which I remember to this day:   "Never try to catch a falling knife!"

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:57 PM

WHen I read your first few paragraphs and read that you spilled the glue, my first thought was "Oooh, that's going to burn!"

Been there, done that.....

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Posted by Charles_Purvis on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:21 PM

Ouch ouch ouch.  Reading this reminded me of a section in Ed Tosti's epic build log of his HMS Victory, where he keeps his CA glue in a custom-made (of course) housing:

http://modelshipbuilder.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1655.30#post_1870

I don't do anything nearly this custom . . . I just tuck the open bottle of CA inside a 2" roll of blue tape laying flat on the workbench.  It ain't perfect, but I figure it will catch the bottle before it gets all the way over, giving me a chance to right things.

Glad you're feeling better, Professor!

PS--I hope it's not a breach of manners to link offsite?

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:36 PM

My fingers have completely recovered. The ego will take longer.

Last night I spent some time trying to chisel/scrape the mass of hardened CA/hand wipes off my workbench. What a mess. I thought about using my beloved old Record #3 bench plane on it, but I suspect that would wreck the blade. I thought, for about ten seconds, about my belt sander, but I figure breathing the dust therefrom would do in me, my two cats, and the rescue party. I'll try a carpenter's chisel. The blade is easy to sharpen.

Charles, there's no prohibition against linking to other sites. We do it all the time.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:43 PM

Or, build a 1/4" dam around the bench with holly wood, pour in a gallon of CA and let it set. maybe add some beer coasters.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Charles_Purvis on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:58 PM

GMorrison

Or, build a 1/4" dam around the bench with holly wood, pour in a gallon of CA and let it set. maybe add some beer coasters.

Now THAT'S a fine idea!  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:18 PM
Hey, speaking of a gallon of CA, does anyone know where I can buy a truckload of thin on the cheap?

I use it to stiffen my "water" before I paint it, and I go through a lot.

I glued my lips together once. I was trying to unscrew my replaceable nozzle cap with my teeth and guess what. Won't do that again.

Steve

Steve

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:24 AM

done both of those though my spill wasn't as spectacular as yours. also the usual scalpel cuts to fingers trimming all the while knowing and telling yourself "i'm going to cut my finger."

i get white poster paper and put that down on my work surface with tape. when it gets to mess y i replace it.

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