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Ive come to hate enamels
Posted by UlteriorModem on Monday, April 27, 2015 5:56 PM
This is a pretty long rant but the main point of it is a question. Does anyone make a good gloss white acrylic for air brushing?? Off to the rant!! 99% of my work is done in acrylics, with heavy emphasis on air brushing. I like the ease of clean up, low fumes, and easy mix thinners with the acrylics.. Tonight I had to do some detailing of a model I am putting together. I had to paint inside the wheel wells etc with gloss white. I went and got some Aztek white but was sorely disappointed with the results. Full coverage would take several coats and it would be pretty 'heavy. So I grabbed a bottle of gloss white enamel, poured some into the airbrush cup, thinned it till it looked good and proceeded to spray the taped off areas. Before I even turned the booth on I could smell the petroleum fumes just from the cup sitting there. Well the painting actually went well. Must have got the mix right but I did have to dial up the air a little. Now its time to clean the air brush. First thing I do is 'pour' the left paint back into the bottle, except I get it all over the threads and side... sigh. Clean that mess up. Get out the laquer thinner (mineral spirits) and pour that into the cup, again and again and again trying to get it clean. Trying not to spill it or make even more mess. By now the smell is getting strong. . With the cup more or less clean I start to clean the air brush but my trusted squirty bottle only has water in it... uth oh, so I start by blowing clear thinner out of the cup but that of course back siphons paint making the cup messy again (suction feed). After some time the brush itself and the cup are 'sorta' clean. In comparison with acrylics I simply squirt from the squirty bottle into the paint inlet till it runs clear, squirt a little water / cleaner mix through the brush and I'm done. Water is cheap, doesent smell and if I get some on me so what? Thanks for bearing with me :)
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 27, 2015 6:01 PM

I've never met a white acrylic I liked. Never enough coverage and so thin it's uneven. If you have one, making it gloss is easy with a clear coat.

Testor's white enamel in the square bottle is pretty much all of the things you describe, but it DOES cover.

Another approach is white primer, like Tamiya Fine, with a clear gloss overcoat.

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Monday, April 27, 2015 7:44 PM

I'm a fan of rattle can white primer for all my white needs. I'll cover it with a gloss or flat lacquer as needed.

It's very rare for me to use enamels. They just take so damn long to dry. Although lately I have taken to thinning them with lacquer to speed drying. Worked ok on a couple test shots. Still.....

edit: I forgot to specify that I use Testors white primer lacquer. They make primers in lacquer base and enamel base, and as already stated, I avoid enamels like the plague.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, April 27, 2015 9:30 PM

I agree with GMorrison. Try white primer. Two colors are notorious for not covering well - white and yellow. If you use white primer for both, you'll get better results.

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Posted by mississippivol on Monday, April 27, 2015 9:43 PM

Hasn't been the same since they took the lead out....

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 27, 2015 10:10 PM

Flat white primer/tooth coat followed by a gloss white top coat. Enamel or acrylic, it works fine for me. But seriously, Humbrol enamels are usually my first choice, if I have a choice for any particular color.

 

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Monday, April 27, 2015 11:31 PM

I love the smell of paint fumes in the morning. It smells of....modeling.

I too like using acrylics now but still have some enamels on hand. Was doing touch up's using MM Insignia White on my A-7 a couple hours ago. Later and for the life of me, I can't remember how I got white paint in my hair on the top of my head. Confused

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:18 AM

I find gloss enamels need to be thinned a little thinner than flats.  Getting a real good gloss is an exercise in brinkmanship.  One needs to bring the last coat right up to the point just before it runs- that is, really wet.  How do you know when it is about to run?  Experience- that is the only way.  I think practicing on scrap is more important with gloss paint than with flats.

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:32 AM

I use enamel paint, either Humbrol or Model Master, for 99% of my modeling.   I love it!   I've never noticed any problems with drying time.   Maybe I'm just slow builder...maybe hell, I am a slow builder!Big Smile.

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Posted by Mike F6F on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:36 AM

Another vote for Tamiya primer and a clear coat.

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:42 AM

I have to echo-- I'd have gone with a rattle can white primer and a gloss coat.

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Posted by fox on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:57 AM

I stick mainly to acrylics.  A white primer followed by a white acrylic followed by Future (straight from the bottle) does the trick for me.  If you build up the coats of Future slowly over the white acrylic it will get as glossy as you want.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:36 PM

Mike F6F

Another vote for Tamiya primer and a clear coat.

Ditto Can't go wrong with Tamiya White primer and clear, or even a coat of Tamiya Gloss over that. Works like a charm, covers like a woolen blanket. Without the fuzz... Stick out tongue

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Posted by CodyJ on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:56 AM

Enamel and I never did get along well.  I hated its wait times and thick application.  Acrylic and Lacquer are good friends of mine though.

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 9:39 AM

I never did have problems with Gunze or Tamiya white. Takes 2 or 3 thin coats max to cover, heck they even didn't need a primer. Use those brands and you won't have issues.

 

 

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Posted by UlteriorModem on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:00 PM

"Gunze or Tamiya white"

Are those acrylics? I am going to check them out!

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:26 PM

Yes they are acrylics.

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:32 AM

Gunze also has a lacquer line, which is the Mr. Color series, or "C" series.

 

 

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