New Models at Hobby Lobby?

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just seen this in town i have never been to 1 but here about them all the time in the forums. just so happens are local hobby shop shut down 2 weeks ago. i hate seeing that happen to a mom and pop store close up.

GMorrison

mock all yup want but at least make an effort to come up with reasonable comparisons.

You are correct. My attempt at sarcasem missed the mark. I do apologize for that.

GMorrison

lets say your neighborhood grocer won't sell to black people. Would you still give them business, or is boycotting them too politically correct.

That "IS" the point. But it's  every grocery store everywhere. You cant boycot them all.(Unless you start growing your own food.... not a bad idea by the way. )

GMorrison

I think the better point made here by others smarter than me is that HL kind of sucks anyways

You are correct here too. Their selection is very limited and I avoid them when possable.

But somtimes I need paint or whatever and they are the closest thing to a real hobby store. (HL is 53 miles away. ) When I can I preffer to purchase items from The Hobby Spot in Tuscon (122 miles away ) But no matter where I buy stuff the money goes to a corporation somewhere and eventually gets funelled to somthing  I dont agree with nor support. Hence my quip about "Wittiling our own models from trees". HL falls into the conveniance catagory.... nothing more.

I'm not trying to anger anybody.... My train of thought just gets de-railed sometimes.

Thank's for not beating me with a rubber hose. (The credit reporting companies have that covered already.)

Well Timmy, the thing with being politically correct is that it is usually correct.

mock all yup want but at least make an effort to come up with reasonable comparisons.

lets say your neighborhood grocer won't sell to black people. Would you still give them business, or is boycotting them too politically correct.

I think the better point made here by others smarter than me is that HL kind of sucks anyways

If we buy models that are manufactured in say North Korea, or China are we paying for WWIII? If we buy models from Britan, or Russa are we not taking away American jobs?

To be 100% politically correct and keep our "principals" do we have to stop buying models and go in our backyard... cut down a tree.... and whittle our way to a 1/48 p-51 Mustang?

I'll go for conveniance..... when China try's to invade my house they will be greeted with defiance..... unless they have a kit I "desperatly" want.

For me it was model cars, but, yes, my Alpha Beta in West Garden Grove was my go-to place for model cars. I think I also bought paint and glue there, as well, but can't remember for sure ...

Tojo72

Well for me there was no fuss,just conversation ,I certainly dont see it a great source for models,but when they opened one near me I wanted to check it out.I was glad to see another place to run in and get a bottle of glue I spilled or paint that I needed to finish something,lots of artist oils and brushes also.It is what it is,a craft and hobby store that happens to have a handful of things a modeler might find useful,but certainly no fuss.I buy kits mostly online,but if they hit my sweet spot with that 40 % coupon then great.But I couldnt care less whether they were there or not,just like I feel about Michaels

 

Is that not the problem?  Convienence over principles.

I find modelers tend to be well educated, moral, highly principled group that help others will no though of themselves as is well proven on the many threads just on FSM forums alone.

Big companies, banks, etc  know that with human nature we may give up our principles over convienence.  Since there are less and less LHS and online sources dedicated to our hobby, should we not rise above this tendency and choose our principles?  I get it, in the moment when you are so close to finishing a build and the last supplies are just a few miles away at a hobby lobby, it is hard not to just drive there and get it.

Is that not the best time for our principles to rise above this?  If one thing we as model builders have, it's plenty of patience.  What are a few more days to order from a dedicated retailer to our hobby.

 I'll get off my soap box now.

Hey, I don't know what part of the PS you live in, check out Skyway models.  I love going in there.  Also try HobbyTown down in Parkland, if they don't have it, they can generally order it for you.  

I checked out their catalog out of curiosity ad noticed that their prices were actually higher than those of my LHS. Kit selection was mediocre to poor.  I'll pass.

Bill

I am curious, what is all the fuss about with Hobby Lobby when it comes to this hobby?  Their kit selection, paints, tools and accessories are meh at best.  Their prices are nothing special and they could care less if model builders bought from them or not.

It seems in the age of the internet, if you do not have a LHS near you to support, are we not better as model builders to support online retailers that take our hobby seriously like Squadron and other similar sellers that cater to us directly?

If HL was the only place to supply our needs for this hobby, I suspect many of us would have lost interest.

I see seveal pages of discussion on this forum dedicated to a company that would not even notice if we all stopped buying from them tomorrow.  I have never seen an ad from them in FSM.

stikpusher

Guys, this is certainly a political issue when your boycotting a businesses for whatever reason. Especially when we bring ISIS into the discussion. And it has no business on the forum. I could write pages on it but will not for that reason.

And armor is very correct. We have much greater problems out here at home than this. Especially those involving veterans. 

 

'nuff said. I'm done.

There's a new coupon every week... and when I need more thinner, Tamiya Extra Thin, or whatever, I'll use one... not to mention the occasional kit that they stick and I want like the M4A3E8, Gamma Goat, or AT-ST

Anybody in the mood to assemble some pre-painted 1/144 scale kits from China? I have a 40% off coupon!

Anyone? 

No?

Didn't think so. Well, that's another coupon that's going to expire unused.

Criminal enterprises rate criminal charges in a court of law... at least theoretically... and working in that area for nearly 30 years now don't even get me started...  federal criminal laws are very political and not applied uniformly... even state and local laws are subject to the whim of the local D.A.

Of course but I can care about multiple things at the same time.

i don't consider this political as I haven't said anything about employee rights abuses.

i just consider the company a criminal enterprise.

Guys, this is certainly a political issue when your boycotting a businesses for whatever reason. Especially when we bring ISIS into the discussion. And it has no business on the forum. I could write pages on it but will not for that reason.

And armor is very correct. We have much greater problems out here at home than this. Especially those involving veterans. 

I am fortunate to have a great LHS owned by great guy! I go to his wholesalers website and he orders stuff for me. Mostly the prices are comparable to Amazon and I don't have to pay shipping. I still end up paying  $50-100 every month or two, but I'd rather see him get my money than HL.

I will admit to buying a bottle of paint or getting a great deal on a model, but they are not getting rich off of me. (yes, I use the 40% off coupon on a bottle of VJ)

I think it's an entirely appropriate thing to do to choose not to give them business. Reasonable alternatives exist. 

I unfortunately cannot choose who I buy gas from,  it I am saving up for an electric car.

I can and go buy my models online. 

Do I know what kind of ethics are practiced by Amazon? Yes. Do I agree with all of them? No.

So I spread it around on line too.

stikpusher

Feeling a little "activist" Karl? 

Youve made it quite well known before about your personal feelings on the store on pretty much any thread that pops up. 

Your quoting and reposting of one particular post for the second time is venturing into the political. 

 

It's just that I don't think I've ever seen a more UN-ambiguous moral/ethical choice in my life to be made than to boycott these shameless hypocrites, who have the absolute chutpah to actually write on their website " “Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles.”. OK, so let's overlook the well-documented bigotry of this company--some would see fit to excuse that on grounds of their professed "faith". But come on--the deceit and self-interest so evident in this latest fisaco---which may have put America lives and interests in danger, especially those of soldiers --seems so blatantly contemptuous of the law and any cynically-offered "Godly" personal standards that I can't believe some of the equivocations and willing attitudes to just "forgive" these manipulators and support their PERSONAL business, all for seemingly the sake of a few dollars saved!?

Let's be clear: this is not buying gas or fuel oil from some monstrous, faceless conglomerate of literally thousands of nameless merchants. This is not committing an irresponsible case of "not paying your mortgage" as someone else here said. This is making a personal choice to buy, after all, what are essentially "toys"--inconsequential model kits which can be had and bought online today with the mere press of a button.

Rant over. I'm out. But I remain deeply, genuinely disappointed. And by the way, yes I DO carefully and conscientiously choose where, and with whom, I spend my money.

Back in the 1960s, there were very, very few hobby shops around. Toy 'R Us was the biggest source of model kits around.  Then, joy of joys; the Squadron Shop opened in Silver Spring, MD (My Dad was stationed at Bethesda, MD then) and I discovered Mecca!  I have had a plethora of hobby shops around my travels in the U.S.N. ever since, and there is on where I retired near Groton.  The local Toys 'R Us has no model  kits.

the doog

Just in case you guys who still shop at Hobby Lobby missed this: it bears repeating.

 

route62

"... the Green family had to pay a mutli million dollar fine and lose the artifacts because the way they were paying for the artifacts directly funded isis and they knew it. 

 

You buy stuff from Hobby Lobby.  That money makes its way to the Green family through fair and legal means and capitalism. The Green family buys artifacts on the black market knowingly funding isis.

Isis buys explosives, makes a ied, kills a US soldier.

I find what the Greens did to be indefensible and reprehensible. Full stop.

I also find that appropriate legal action was taken, and they paid the appropriate fine. Criminal prosecution would have been nice, but the facts did not support the likelihood of a conviction.

Did they knowingly support ISIS? I have no idea. Prosecution under the relevant federal statute requires a mens rea (state of mind) element. The prosecutor clearly felt that he could not prove this element, hence the plea deal.

Unfortunately, as consumers we are forced to make ethical concessions all the time. When I buy gas, I am supporting companies which do business with the Saudis who in turn fund madrasas that cultivate terrorists. When I pay my mortgage, I am funding a bank which has probably ripped people off, etc etc etc.

It is almost certain that you too, are engaging in economic activity with companies that you disapprove of in some way. The issue is where we draw the line, and that's going to depend on everything from our personal experiences to our political views.      

Roald

Just an update:

I stopped in to HL today to pick up some primer and noticed that lots of kits had been moved to the clearance section, and the shelves were half empty.

The guy working there said that a slew of new kits are arriving shortly. It'll be interesting to see what they get in. 

I recall from a previous post, whether in this thread (sorry, I didn't go back through and look) or in another thread, that this is their standard procedure, when a new shipment is due.

Roald

Yeah, I haven't seen models at Toys R Us in ages. Used to occasionally buy them there as a kid in the early 80s. K-Mart was my mainstay, though.

 

The most recent model kits at Toys R Us were the Star Wars Force Awakens snap together Revell kits (TIE, X-Wing black and grey and Millenium Falcon). Also right after the Deadpool movie, they sold the Moebius deluxe figure model kit (1/8 scale).

But, yes, they used to carry a pretty good selection of model kits.

the doog

Just in case you guys who still shop at Hobby Lobby missed this: it bears repeating.

 

route62

"... the Green family had to pay a mutli million dollar fine and lose the artifacts because the way they were paying for the artifacts directly funded isis and they knew it. 

 

You buy stuff from Hobby Lobby.  That money makes its way to the Green family through fair and legal means and capitalism. The Green family buys artifacts on the black market knowingly funding isis.

Isis buys explosives, makes a ied, kills a US soldier.  

 

 

 

 

 

Feeling a little "activist" Karl? 

Youve made it quite well known before about your personal feelings on the store on pretty much any thread that pops up. 

Your quoting and reposting of one particular post for the second time is venturing into the political. 

GMorrison

Sure wish I had an electric car.