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    September 2018
Defective aftermarket product
Posted by kiowhatta on Sunday, February 2, 2020 10:58 PM

Hey guys,

I wanted to alert anyone on here to a product I purchased some time ago now.

I first purchased a 1:35 AFV Sturmtiger and wanted to add some AM ammunition.

I found some 320mm (1:35) ammo via the BNA model website https://www.bnamodelworld.com/military-vehicles-tanks-ammo-weapon-royal-models-rm069 

which was produced by Royal models in Italy.

https://imgur.com/gallery/cJXMvjN

After receiving the defective product I complained via email to Royal, who dismissed my complaint, denied the product I received was defective and proceeded to go on a rant about how great their company was.

To BNA's credit, they acknowledged the defective product and offered a full refund, even though it was not their fault.

No matter how I tried, the ammo was irrecoverable, so I am simply warning other modeller's out there to be wary of this product.

To be fair I have purchased other AM products from Royal such as their wheel painting templates.

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, February 2, 2020 11:48 PM

I can't see what's defective in your photo (hopefully not the pour stubs as that is usual with resin casting), but glad BNA offered a refund.

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    March 2005
Posted by philo426 on Monday, February 3, 2020 5:45 AM

Yes the big trench on the bottom is a major defect!Can be reparied but you should not have to!

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Monday, February 3, 2020 8:37 AM

I don't see a 'big trench'.  Can the OP please annotate the Imgur photo to highlight the major flaw.  


What I see are casting stubs that are typically on resin model parts, both kits and aftermarket items.   I can actually see some background behind the stub through the pour on the left one.   Both look to be quality castings with no short pours or bubbles. 


If you want the manufacturer to do the aftermarket part cleanup for you you may need to be prepared to pay twice the price for the service

 

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Monday, February 3, 2020 9:38 AM

I agree with Ed.  Looks like a quality casting with not insignificant pour stubs.

Thanks,

John

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, February 3, 2020 9:50 AM

Looks like BNA took care of it though. I've dealt with BNA several times on the automotive side and they have always had great customer service. 

                   

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  • Member since
    April 2013
Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Tuesday, February 4, 2020 2:41 AM

So if you are warning us again about parts from Royal Model being "defective" because they are attached to a casting block, just how long did you wait to return the parts to BNA? Because thirteen months ago, you were "debating whether to go through the tedium of returning, shipping etc."

Just curious, because based on your last "warning", it seems like a unusually generous return window. Here in the States, if we try to return a kit we had pawed through for a year after the purchase and fouled up, we normally get told to get bent. So, a lot of credit goes to BNA for truly exceptional customer service if they were willing to work with you on the matter!

 

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  • Member since
    September 2018
Posted by kiowhatta on Tuesday, February 4, 2020 11:36 PM
Thanks for your reply guys. To answer your questions, the lag in time was I was discouraged by my inability to attach photos. The 'defect' on the armor (which I incorrectly labelled as 320mm, when it's 380mm) is the rectangular, irregular bulk sticking out of the armour like a base. Here is a link to the product page, which clearly shows the disparity: https://www.bnamodelworld.com/military-vehicles-tanks-ammo-weapon-royal-models-rm069?zenid=b5646a6a5a8bdbbb1e09b68eab4ff7c1 Please note that the shells wrapped in what appears to be a type of wooden or bamboo 'wrap' were the ones with the uneven, weird protrusion. Finally, you can adhere to my warning or not. I thought I was doing the community a favor, and as mentioned, BNA supported my complaint, so I cannot reconcile that the large casting protrusions are 'normal'. Cheers.
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:30 AM

Parts look legit.  You need to trim and clean up the pour stub.  Not uncommon to display the finished product and have work to do in the resin world.  Nice castings though.  

Thanks,

John

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:51 AM

Yes,  labeling it defective is inappropriate, but you have provided info for a better informed decision before buying.   I imagine the pour stubs are the size they are,  to ensure the remaining details is crisp and without defects.  If you were to display them lying on the ground, there would be no need to worry about detail in the cleaned up area.

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:14 AM

I suspect BNA offered to satisfy your complaint in the hope that they would stop getting kicked around. 

I'm a small business owner and am sensitive to these kinds of public airing out. Why throw them under the proverbial bus here? We can't solve your problem for you, and frankly if I were looking for that particular item, I'd be very impressed by the apparent quality shown.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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