Arnhem.

Thanks Lads,

I have only done a little more work to the house since my last WIP pics, I plan to start on the Horch on my weekend off so a big thanks to Mike for the heads up on those instructions.

I'll get some more pics up when Im have something to show.

Tally-ho Tango1,

What a grand project and this will be great fun to follow. It will be a good opportunity for learning from your approach and techniques incorporated.

Again, grand subject.

All the best with it.

Patrick  

the 1st Airborne was reconstituted after Market Garden but would not see action again. After VE Day they were sent to Norway to assist with the disarming and surrender of German Occpation forces there

Ah, I did not know that.  Thanks for that info stikpusher.

The Germans were so convinced of an attack on Norway that they left huge amounts of war material and manpower in place in Norway right until the surrender...those units could have been used far more effectively fighting in Germany at war's end...

The Germans placed most troops in Norway than any other country, if measuring by the country's original population. 15% of the population in Norway during WWII were all troops of the German occupationforce.

Norway is also known for it fierce resistance during WWII. Many people rank the Norwegian resistance as the 2nd most bravest resisitance during WWII. The only more braver was the Polish.  And do mark the difference of the bravest, of the most known, and the most active.. Big difference between the three...

And about that they were so convinced, Hitler marked Norway as the "Destinyarea" for the Allied invasion. 

Glad to make an input!

-Lasse 

bbrowniii wrote:

stikpusher wrote: the 1st Airborne was reconstituted after Market Garden but would not see action again. After VE Day they were sent to Norway to assist with the disarming and surrender of German Occpation forces there Ah, I did not know that.  Thanks for that info stikpusher.

stikpusher wrote:

the 1st Airborne was reconstituted after Market Garden but would not see action again. After VE Day they were sent to Norway to assist with the disarming and surrender of German Occpation forces there

Ah, I did not know that.  Thanks for that info stikpusher.

bbrowniii wrote:

so the 'end' of Market-Garden was more administrative than actual.

Ah yes that's right, time to cut the losses and try again. Thanks for the history Manny and bbrowniii- sorry to derail the thread Tango

Mansteins revenge wrote:

The Polish Parachute Brigade was dropped towards th end of the battle near Driel on the other side of the Rhine to help out the besieged units in Ooosterbeek, but since they were on the opposite side of the river they did little good...other than help survivors cross the river into British lines...

Yup... and the British 1st Airborne basically ceased to exist after Arnhem.  Only about 2200 got out.  If I recall, the unit did not see any more action for the duration of the war.

psstoff995 wrote:

bbrowniii wrote: The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation. So they did then make it to D+9 technically?

Yeah, technically.  And, remember, the Americans were still fighing around Nijmegan - the front kind of stabalized around there, so the 'end' of Market-Garden was more administrative than actual.

psstoff995 wrote:

panzerguy wrote: I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used. lol Clint Eastwood had to "cool" it up I'm sure

hahaha oh! I was a little skeptical, but I figured you guys knew what you were talking about- I thought you were talking about the encounter with the German TC from Kelly’s Heros at the end of the movie... that’s what I was like

But yeah. A Bridge Too Far is an excellent film.
 

Here's the scene of in question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Li65P_3lvM

Anthony Hopkins played Col Frost. The real Col Frost was a technical advisor for the film. The umbrella carrying officer is actually a composite charecter of two officers in 2 Para. In the film he is shown dying, however he (the one who called upon the Germans to surrender) actually survived the war. The book the movie is based on is a superb read.

panzerguy wrote:

Huxy wrote: And disastermaster, that part is true The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...     And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell      You mean Panzerguy. I know are avatars look similar, Mine is Robert Shaw as Hessler and Steves is Otto Alberty as the Tiger commander in Kellys Heros.    I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

Panzerguy.. haha.. Stop nitpicking!   I just quickly observed the avatar and tought disastermaster.. Sorry.. won't happen again..

But, there is one fault with the dialog. I'm not good with names (As you just noticed) so I'll explain..

When the German comes and asks, one British (Leaning on something) tells the chap with the umbrella to tell the german to "Tell him to go to hell." Then the chap with the umbrella turns towards the German and goes on like "We do not have the proper facilities to take you all prisoners. I'm sorry!"

But in real life, when the filmed, the veteran who on the film says "Tell him to go to hell" (That would be the actor saying it, but the veteran of the real life soldier was there when they filmed). The veteran tought it would look stupid if "he" said it, so the other guy got to say it. That's the only change they did I know

If the words are exact, I rather doubt it. Who remembers what's being said in a war? But it is something along the lines. And here I take the opportunity to recreate what's in the movie by my memory.. Let's see how close I get..

"Tell him to go to hell."

"We do not have the proper facilities to take you all prisoners. I'm sorry!"

Stunned German replies after a while: "What??"

"I'm terribly sorry, but as much as we'd love to, we cannot accept your surrender! ........   Was there anything else?"

How close was I?

And Manny and bbrowniii, thanks for the info!

bbrowniii wrote:

The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation.

So they did then make it to D+9 technically?

panzerguy wrote:

I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

lol Clint Eastwood had to "cool" it up I'm sure

Mansteins revenge wrote:

psstoff995 wrote:  TANGO 1 wrote: My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along. Sounds like a good attitude to me! 2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded? This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...   They landed on the 17th and Frost's troops surrendered, I believe on the 21st---(maybe the 20th)...contrary to popular belief, the main fighting at Arnhem took place around the village of Oosterbeek which was several miles away from Arnhem, closer to the landing sites...

Manny

You got it right:  Frost's 2d Battalion landed with on the 17th and made it to the northern end of the Arnhem bridge.  By the end of the day, they were cut off and surrounded.  Theyu would fight on for three more days, then on the morning of the 21st, the surviviors surrendered.  The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation.

Huxy wrote:

And disastermaster, that part is true The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...     And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell

   You mean Panzerguy. I know are avatars look similar, Mine is Robert Shaw as Hessler and Steves is Otto Alberty as the Tiger commander in Kellys Heros.

   I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

psstoff995 wrote:

TANGO 1 wrote: My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along. Sounds like a good attitude to me! 2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded? This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...

And disastermaster, that part is true

The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...  

And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell  

  Looking good Tango

  ‘A Bridge To Far' is one of my favorite movies so I too will be looking forward to updates on this project. The part were they reject the Germans surrender proposal is classic.

   Love the building and I'll be checking out that GNR site. I can't wait to see the Horch built up don't see many of those.

Very, very nice!

I will follow this oen for sure!

Arnhem is perhaps my favorite battle. But as Psstoff, I don't know alot about it.. I barely know anything..  Strage, isn't it..

How's the Dragon figures? Been drooling over them aswel.

And 22 £ isn't bad at all for the house!

TANGO 1 wrote:

My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along.

Sounds like a good attitude to me!
2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded?

This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...


 

Thanks Everyone for the friendly reception!

To answer your question about the base, it came from a UK company called Great North Roads. They have their own website and I have to say make some of the most interesting dio scenes I have ever come across. The big plus is that their quality is very good and they are reasonable on price. This piece cost me £22.00, roughly $15.00.

My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along.

...this is a very special project for you, and I know you will make a scene here that captures the determination and desperation of the event.

Sounds like it means a lot to you, as you said, this is a big project. So I’m sure you’ll do it up right and I’ll be taking a few notes and pointers along the way for my own.

Darren-

I am so glad to see you starting this project!  I know from our previous conversations that this is a very special project for you, and I know you will make a scene here that captures the determination and desperation of the event.  I am really looking forward to seeing this one come together.