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First Dio, UPDATED 3/28 - Gang's all here!

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First Dio, UPDATED 3/28 - Gang's all here!
Posted by TacoBuff on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:20 PM

Like it says, this'll be my first dio, and would like some input as to how to put it all together.  I'm using Verlinden's 506th at carentan kit, and Nemrod's Paratroopers.  I'd like to use the blown up house included with the verlinden kit, and just incorporate other elements in addition to it.  Can someone suggest as to how to create a cobble stone street, and brick houses?

the kits I'm working with

the house included with the verlinden kit, detailed with popsicle stick and bits o' styrene

the cast of characters (minus one, as he is still being built).  You can see more of the last guy here /forums/1113029/ShowPost.aspx 

I'd like the paras sort of scattered about, all facing the same general direction, implying an enemy rather than their being a German somewhere in the dio.  If need be, I can include some Germans, but I'd Like to keep it to these six.

Another Idea i had, was to create a wide street with buildings on either side, and having an M5 Stuart tank moving down it, and the paras are acting as support, taking cover alongside the buildings.  The 502nd worked with an M5 at one point, can't remember where, but the game Brothers in Arms portrays paras working with that tank, and it's commander to clear out a village. 

Thanks for any help, and constructive comments and critcisms.

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Posted by Huxy on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:27 PM

You and your Stuarts! Geez!

 

Well, The paras would well work with tanks whereever they met an allied tank... Check my reply to the figure post of yours and you see I gave some ideas. But without knowing of the Stuart.. Tongue [:P] 

"Every War Starts And Ends With An Invasion".

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Posted by TacoBuff on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:36 PM
yes, me and my stuarts!  You must have one for every occassion!!  Checked your figure post.  Thanks!
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Posted by Huxy on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:48 PM
I did pick up a Tamiya Stuart kit at IPMS Norway.. But I'm afraid of starting it.. I don't want to get addicted to Stuarts!!  Sigh [sigh]

"Every War Starts And Ends With An Invasion".

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Posted by TacoBuff on Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:52 PM
Yes, it's impossible to quit stuarts. LOL. Is it the M3 or M5A1 (he says, his eyes glinting). They're fun kits even though not the most accurate.
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Posted by Huxy on Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:13 PM

The M3. Looks alll fine to me! :D

 

Looking more forward for the M3 Lee I bought.. Tamiya aswell.  Also the Panzer II Tamiya. All 3 kits the old ones.

I will build the 2 allied ones as Desert BRITISH tanks. And the German tank as a DAK one. Desert display! \o/ 

"Every War Starts And Ends With An Invasion".

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Posted by stick man on Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16 PM

NICE looking figs!!!! what kind of paint did you use?? I'm gessing Tamiya? if so di you mix in there Flat Base coulor?? it looks like you did in the 5th pic.

For the cobble stone street take a look at the April 2009 FSM page 41.

Again great figs!!

Smile [:)]

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Posted by TacoBuff on Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:27 PM
Yes, they're tamiya paints. I mixed khaki into buff to get the color. I didn't use any flat, guess I got lucky huh? Thanks for the comments, I'm having agreat time working on them. I totally spaced about that FSM article, thanks!
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Posted by dioramator on Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:32 PM

Hi TacoBuff

I used to spend days drawing and scribing cobblestons, until I devised this quick and easy way to simulate cobblestone road.

Once you have your base worked out, and your road ready to go...

Apply a thin layer of plaster of paris to the road surface, let it dry and sand it down to shape. (that will give something for the skim coat to key to).

Next, get yourself one of those open mesh washing bags, (available from supermarkets) the type you put your loose articles in, to throw in the washing machine. Cut it into one strip of the material.

Lay the material over the road, and apply skim coat (plaster filler in a tube), and squeeze it through the material using a plastic applicator. (very much like screen printing). Go right to the road edges, and make sure you have squeezed enough through... otherwise the cobbles will lift with the material.

Carefully peel back the material while the skim coat is still wet, and there you have your cobblestone road.

Have a practice before you start on the project. The material is available in different grades, keep an eye out for it, for different sized cobbles.

The surface will not match the road in the Verlinden kit, so you may wish trim that off, cover it with rubble, or put the new road surface over it.

hope this helps.

 

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Posted by camo junkie on Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:58 PM
looking good so far taco! Thumbs Up [tup] i'm not a ww2 guy but i still enjoy looking at the stuff!!
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Posted by TacoBuff on Monday, March 23, 2009 9:18 AM
Thanks diaromator! I think we've got am old one of those lying around here somewhere. Ill give that a try.
Glad your enjoying my work Camo, you build mostly modern stuff right?
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Posted by stick man on Monday, March 23, 2009 5:40 PM

 TacoBuff wrote:
Yes, they're tamiya paints. I mixed khaki into buff to get the color. I didn't use any flat, guess I got lucky huh? Thanks for the comments, I'm having agreat time working on them. I totally spaced about that FSM article, thanks!

That's a cool coulor mix..... I never thought of that so I'm going to have to steel it for my next US figs Mischief [:-,]

I can't wait to see some more pix!!

Smile [:)]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, March 23, 2009 5:53 PM

I've done the plaster-scribing cobblestones too, and I like the rough, random effect and being able to bust up and gouge the stones here & there, but it is tedious... These days, I hit the model RR section for Plastruct "Dressed Stone/Block Wall" sheets in O scale... Two sheets of vac-formed styrene 12" x 7" and scales out about right for 1/35th... You could also use it to make stone walks and it'll work for plaster mold-making too.. Use it to make the "male" (the grout will be raised rather than recessed) mold for the "female" road parts poured in plaster...

Just make sure you run the courses across the "street" at a right angle rather than paralelling it...

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Posted by TacoBuff on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:22 PM
Your perfectly welcome to steal the color mix stick man!
Hans, I've only found random stone patterns at my lhs, but I haven't checked in a while, I'll keep an eye out for that. I know to have the road run along an angle in the dio, but I'm curious as to why this is the method of choice.
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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:46 PM
It makes the diorama more interesting and pleasing to the eye to have a road (or a tank or plane or whatever) at an angle rather than parallel to any edges. Shep Paine talks about this in his book about how to build dioramas.

"Whaddya mean 'Who's flying the plane?!' Nobody's flying the plane!"

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:53 AM

I know to have the road run along an angle in the dio, but I'm curious as to why this is the method of choice.

I'm no engineer or even a mason, but I'd hazard a guess that it's because there's more strength in the material that way since there's more contact area between the stones when they're at right angles to the direction of travel... Same reason that brick and block walls have the courses running horizontally... That's a SWAG (Scientific Wild-Azz Guess) on my part though..  Heck, it might be just because it looks better...Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:47 AM
FSM article in question about the frozen peas? That was interesting to say the least- I like the buildings, I’m curious to see if the peas are sealed in enough to keep them from... ageing?

But hey! I really like what you have going on so far- I like that you’re using vignette sized kits to try and go to a to a larger dio- I hope that you can blend the existing groundwork into your fabricated stuff- I think that will be one of the most difficult parts, but I’m sure with this WIP and all these eyes, it’ll look nice.

I have a few of those figures (without the base- in like a 2pack thing you know?)- so I’m enjoying your figure thread as well!

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:37 AM

You can also make cobblestone roads by balling up tiny balls of milliput putty or modeling clay (self hardening), and then flattening them to a similar height. Completely coat your base with white glue, place the pre-pressed stones in place, and then sprinkle the entire street with real, fine sifted dirt. This will stick in the gaps between the stones and complete the street.

Takes a little time, but it's the real way a street would essentiallly have been made, and it looks it when done.

PS--Uh,..."just say 'NO!'" to using any frozen vegetable products in your street-making efforts! Laugh [(-D] 

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:39 AM

 TacoBuff wrote:
Your perfectly welcome to steal the color mix stick man!
Hans, I've only found random stone patterns at my lhs, but I haven't checked in a while, I'll keep an eye out for that. I know to have the road run along an angle in the dio, but I'm curious as to why this is the method of choice.
It;s an artistic thang, man!

You gotta be an artist, dude! LOL

NO, seriously--it helps to draw the eye into the action, and removes the banality of similar angles. It really DOES work to jazz up the appearance. Straight-angled bases look crappy.

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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:55 AM
 the doog wrote:

PS--Uh,..."just say 'NO!'" to using any frozen vegetable products in your street-making efforts! Laugh [(-D] 

 lol that's what I thought Confused [%-)]

And I’ll second that artistic thing. It’s the same reason a snapshot of a person will have them dead center while an artistic portrait might offset them somewhat, or move the focal point out of the middle of the frame. Nicer balance, less symmetry, looks more natural.
 

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by TacoBuff on Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:19 AM
Well, then I'll just have to get my artistic groove thang on Doog! Yeah, I was a little skeptical about the peas thing, but It wasn't a bad idea. Thanks for putting it in photo terms psstoff, I took several photo classes last year, so it makes sense. Glad you're enjoying the figures as well, I hope to have more pics up soon!
Thanks for thebhelp and suggestions all.
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Posted by psstoff995 on Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:59 PM
Very cool TacoBuff! I was a photo student towards the end of my high school career and fell in love with it. Glad the reference made sense and helped you out. Looking forward to the next update!

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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First Dio, Is there a Doctor in the House?
Posted by TacoBuff on Friday, March 27, 2009 4:55 PM

All right, Updates!  So this is the wounded soldier included in the verlinden set.  I decided to not have him supported by the other trooper, as I felt he would be more interesting moving than helping this guy.

He deffinately gets my vote for "best face I've painted so far!" 

My questions are:  1) would it be realistic to have him propping his foot on a helmet like that?  2) would it be alright if he used an M1 as opposed to the more common para weapon M1A1 carbine?  the effect i'm going for is that he's trying to force himself back up with the butt of the rifle (he procured it somewhere, it is D+ # of unknown days), and is using the helmet to keep his legs up. 

would this make sense?  or should i take him out of the dio, as i have no medic to tend to him.  I could position a figure to make it look like he's moving away from the wounded guy after tending to him as best he could.

 

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Posted by psstoff995 on Friday, March 27, 2009 8:15 PM
 TacoBuff wrote:

1) would it be realistic to have him propping his foot on a helmet like that? 

 

Oh yeah it would! Classic "shock position". I’m not a doctor- but I’m an EMT. Elevate the legs 8-12”to keep the blood flow in the core. After a shot in the thigh like that (I have the kit as well btw, not built) I think this position is much better than the one on the box. As far as the weapon- from what I remember from Band of Brother’s and Saving Private Ryan- you’d be fine with it? But that’s just a guess.

I actually like that there’s no medic to tend to him- it makes it that much more serious that he’s got such a band wound. A broken femur can be fatal in some situations, a bullet is even worse (if you remember Black Hawk Down the soldier who’s femoral artery was severed and he died before they could extract him or get him blood). I saw the helmet propped up and thought that was perfect. Medics in the field are famous for throwing things together on the fly with items around them. If I was elevating someone legs, I’d use a jumpbag or something like that- the fact that the figure OOB never had a helmet on- I think this is a great reason for him to be missing one.

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by TacoBuff on Friday, March 27, 2009 9:04 PM
Good, I remembered something about lifting the leg from my boy scout days. So he can stay if I find a place where he fits. Actually, I might scratch a medic kit bag for one of the soldiers running to get to him.
By the way, the figures are in the touch up phase, I take some photos tonight, and they may be up later!
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Posted by psstoff995 on Friday, March 27, 2009 9:46 PM
Good deal, looking forward to it! A medic bag shouldn't be too hard to scratch- in those days I think it was nothing more than a shoulder satchel- messenger bag type thing.

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by Stern0 on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:23 AM
Awsome work TB!! The figs are fantastic...im with Doog on the cobblestones...clay and alot of time and you will be pleased!!! Keep it comming!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by TacoBuff on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:23 AM

figures are in the final touch up phases, point where i pick out the details I forgot on the initial go around Big Smile [:D].  Check 'em out, and leave feedback!

These are the guys I just finished and you haven't seen yet.    Also, came up with a new idea...  I've got a Pnz IV H in my stash, and I thought i could have the last guy with the tommy gun charging the tank's rear, satchel charge in hand, while the other paras distract the tank with fire.  might include some german soldiers here and there.  What do ya think? 

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Posted by stick man on Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:35 PM

Nice figs TacoBuff!! thay are all realy good.

Smile [:)]

I'm 15 and I model I sk8board and I drum what could be better.
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Posted by Boomerang on Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:44 PM

   Yes, great figures TacoBuff. Can't wait till i can do mine that good!

   Boomer...

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