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Review of Revell 1/48 Scale Junkers Ju 87 D Stuka

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Posted by eptingmike on Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:41 AM
What pilot would want to seat on a metal seat?
None of them.
What pilot did sit on a metal seat?
All of 'em!
 
Ha ha!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:34 AM

what pilot would want to seat on a metal seat?

Fact is, most did... Seat pans that were designed for use with the seat-pack parachutes had no padding, just a deep depression for the 'chute.  The padding was a separate cushion that the pilot inserted between his arse and the 'chute-pack...  The 'chutes themselves are hard as a rock...

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:56 PM

Perhaps the first coat of Future was not fully dry and reacted with the fresh coat?  I am only guessing as I have no experience using Future, though I did buy some today to check it out.  Also got another Stuka at Michael's and with the 40% coupon it was only $9 and a couple of cents!  Yea!!

Mike

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Posted by arki30 on Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:14 PM
 NiceFit wrote:
 arki30 wrote:

Nice review and welcome back to the hobby! 

Applying Future to canopies shouldn't fog or haze them.  In fact, it makes them more clear if anything.  Clink the link for more: http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

Applying a flat coat will haze the canopy, however. Banged Head [banghead]

Thank you arki30. I'm glad you enjoyed the review. Before painting the frames, I dipped the canopies in Future and they looked great. They seemed to "fog" when I later sprayed Future on them and then the problem was compounded by the flat clear. I'll do better next time. John

Ah, I see.  Interesting.  I wonder why the Future would haze on the second coat?  Due to being sprayed?  Weird.

Regardless, nice work. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:47 PM

Nice review and build up, John! The Stuka looks great!

This is your new home if you're a plane modeler! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:43 PM

"My next project is a Italeri 1/72 P-51 Mustang"

I am planning on picking up(besides another Stuka!)a P-51 and maybe a P-38, both Revell-ogram.  I jsut love the cheap-o's!

Mike

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:24 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
Some nice looking Stukas there fellas!  I remember building that model as a kid, but unfortunately mine did not survive a barage of firecrackers! Dead [xx(]

Firecrackers, eh? A successful Allied attack, no doubt.  Laugh [(-D]

Respectfully, Dobby

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM
Some nice looking Stukas there fellas!  I remember building that model as a kid, but unfortunately mine did not survive a barage of firecrackers! Dead [xx(]

Frank 

 

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:43 PM
 eptingmike wrote:

... for no reason other than 'what the heck.' ...

Mike, That's the attitude I had for my whole project! Great "chatting" with you about Stukas. Perhaps we'll run across each other's forum entries once again. My next project is a Italeri 1/72 P-51 Mustang. Look - more yellow accents! I'll post a review once the model is complete. It's a tiny, tiny plane - maybe too small - will probably go back to 1/48 scale after that. John

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:28 PM

"One thing I noticed is that you painted the whole seat brown. It looks much better than mine, where I only painted the headrest. Don't know why I didn't think of painting the whole seat - what pilot would want to seat on a metal seat?"

Thanks for the compliment!  You are probably right, sitting on a metal seat would be no fun...ouch!

I painted the headrest a slightly lighter shade of the brown I used for the seat.  I went with brown for no reason other than 'what the heck.'  I have since downloaded and purchased some books/info on the Ju-87 for more info.  Still haven't gone through it so I am not really sure what color the seat would be.  I would guess it would have been leather or canvas.

Mike

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:43 AM
Hans, Got some photos to post? I'd love to see your plane too. John

Respectfully, Dobby

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:42 AM
 arki30 wrote:

Nice review and welcome back to the hobby! 

Applying Future to canopies shouldn't fog or haze them.  In fact, it makes them more clear if anything.  Clink the link for more: http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

Applying a flat coat will haze the canopy, however. Banged Head [banghead]

Thank you arki30. I'm glad you enjoyed the review. Before painting the frames, I dipped the canopies in Future and they looked great. They seemed to "fog" when I later sprayed Future on them and then the problem was compounded by the flat clear. I'll do better next time. John

Respectfully, Dobby

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:36 AM
Mike, Thank you for posting the photos. Your model looks great. One thing I noticed is that you painted the whole seat brown. It looks much better than mine, where I only painted the headrest. Don't know why I didn't think of painting the whole seat - what pilot would want to seat on a metal seat? Guess I wasn't thinking at all! LOL Soooo concerned about the overall process, I left out some obvious details. Next time... John P.S. Maybe others will cough up photos of their Stukas and we'll have a whole "squadron" represented in one post. Wouldn't that be cool?

Respectfully, Dobby

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Posted by arki30 on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:28 AM

Nice review and welcome back to the hobby! 

Applying Future to canopies shouldn't fog or haze them.  In fact, it makes them more clear if anything.  Clink the link for more: http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

Applying a flat coat will haze the canopy, however. Banged Head [banghead]

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:12 AM

OK, here we are:

 

 

 1/48 Stuka by you.

 

 

1/48 Stuka(Monogram) by you.

 1/48 Stuka belly by you.

 The entire kit was painted with craft paints(mostly Delta Ceramcoat)with the exception of the yellow which is Vallejo.  Masked with run of the mill tan maskingtape. Funny, but the yellow looks pretty good in the photos.  In real life it is very blotchy.  The decals went on well, using MicroSet to get them on well.  It was gloss coated with GW 'Ard Coat(if I remember correctly)and then matte coated with either Testor's Dull Coat or Krylon Matte.

Overall, I am happy with it as it was very fun to build.  Maybe not the best looking critter but it is ultimately about my enjoyment, right?  

Mike

PS Oh yes, no shading or weathering whatsoever!

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:48 AM

The main problem was less the black undercoat and mostly my blasting away with watery paint!

mike

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:19 AM

Mike, Yellow over black undercoat - I can see why that might be a problem. Thanks for sharing the photos of your second kit. Nice looking truck and figures. Well done. I also appreciate you telling us how you created the background gradient. Looks great. I'll try that. John

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Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:59 AM
 NiceFit wrote:
 eptingmike wrote:

Nice review/model diary.  That is actually the same kit I started with as my first build in many years(started up again a few months ago).  I think it is a great kit.  I plan on picking up a few in the future for experimenting.  I will try and get a picture of mine up in the next day or two.  Looks pretty OK, I'd say a bit 'below' your build though!  AND I certainly will not show off the underside as the yellow came out B-A-D! 

Mike, I'm glad to hear you're starting up again. Isn't it fun to be back into the hobby? This kit is a great "starter kit". Inexpensive too - actually that's one of the main reasons I picked it. If I had screwed it up - no big deal - only $13. Yes, please post photo of yours. I'd like to see them. I didn't have any problem with yellow. A few light coats with the airbrush did the trick. Thanks for your feedback on my review/diary. If it benefits anyone, I will do it again on future models.

Well the problem I had with the yellow was more a 'pilot error' than anything.  I was painting over a black undercoat and using a badger spray gun(350? sooper cheap-o)with the paint too thin.  I was happy enough at the time as the model was intended to be a piece of terrain for some gaming.  But the model bug bit so I got some better tools, went to a model swap meet and grabbed up a little stash, and am trying to get back my sprinkling of modelling skills gained as a early teen. You may be interested to see the second kit I built(also intended for gaming):

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As for the price of the Stuka kit, I got mine with the glorious Michael's 40% off coupon so it was even less! Heck...might pick one up today!

Mike

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:58 AM
Well, since the kit's billed as a D-5 or a D-8, the cannon barrels aren't an issue really, but I built mine as the G model flown by Rudel...

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:30 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Good review of a Monogram Classic... I've built this same kit at least 4 times over the years, still have a couple stashed away...  curious as to whether your copy had mold-alignment issues with the 37mm gun barrels.. All of mine had the same problem, that being that the flash-hiders aren't lined up and are a bit oval-shaped... I solved the problem by fabricating new ones from sprue..

BTW, using stretched sprue will solve your antenna problem... the bit of sag can be easily fixed with a little heat carefully applied by using a match held near the "wire"... Just move the flame closer and closer until it reaches the right place, then the sprue will suddenly snap tight, STOP!... Might wanna prctice a bit first though... It melts just as fast and with no warning, either.. But sprue's cheap too...

Also, the rear MGs will benfit greatly from taking a razor saw to them and carefully cutting between the barrels to separate them...

Thank you, Hans, for your feedback. I did not notice any problems with the machine gun barrels, but maybe I didn't look close enough. Good idea on stretched sprue as antenna wire. I will try that on my P-51 Mustang build. I didn't think of separating the MG barrels. Another good idea!

Respectfully, Dobby

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Posted by NiceFit on Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:24 AM
 eptingmike wrote:

Nice review/model diary.  That is actually the same kit I started with as my first build in many years(started up again a few months ago).  I think it is a great kit.  I plan on picking up a few in the future for experimenting.  I will try and get a picture of mine up in the next day or two.  Looks pretty OK, I'd say a bit 'below' your build though!  AND I certainly will not show off the underside as the yellow came out B-A-D! 

Mike, I'm glad to hear you're starting up again. Isn't it fun to be back into the hobby? This kit is a great "starter kit". Inexpensive too - actually that's one of the main reasons I picked it. If I had screwed it up - no big deal - only $13. Yes, please post photo of yours. I'd like to see them. I didn't have any problem with yellow. A few light coats with the airbrush did the trick. Thanks for your feedback on my review/diary. If it benefits anyone, I will do it again on future models.

Respectfully, Dobby

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:10 AM

Good review of a Monogram Classic... I've built this same kit at least 4 times over the years, still have a couple stashed away...  curious as to whether your copy had mold-alignment issues with the 37mm gun barrels.. All of mine had the same problem, that being that the flash-hiders aren't lined up and are a bit oval-shaped... I solved the problem by fabricating new ones from sprue..

BTW, using stretched sprue will solve your antenna problem... the bit of sag can be easily fixed with a little heat carefully applied by using a match held near the "wire"... Just move the flame closer and closer until it reaches the right place, then the sprue will suddenly snap tight, STOP!... Might wanna prctice a bit first though... It melts just as fast and with no warning, either.. But sprue's cheap too...

Also, the rear MGs will benfit greatly from taking a razor saw to them and carefully cutting between the barrels to separate them...

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  • From: Tempe, AZ
Posted by eptingmike on Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:03 AM

Nice review/model diary.  That is actually the same kit I started with as my first build in many years(started up again a few months ago).  I think it is a great kit.  I plan on picking up a few in the future for experimenting.  I will try and get a picture of mine up in the next day or two.  Looks pretty OK, I'd say a bit 'below' your build though!  AND I certainly will not show off the underside as the yellow came out B-A-D! 

mike

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Review of Revell 1/48 Scale Junkers Ju 87 D Stuka
Posted by NiceFit on Friday, March 27, 2009 6:48 PM

Revell 1/48 scale Junkers Ju 87D Stuka 
John Dobson
Kit: No. 85-5250 Scale: 1/48
Manufacturer: Revell-Monogram, 800-833-3570
Price: $13.50
Pros: Good overall fit and decals, two paint scheme/decal options
Cons: Mal-formed canopy window, inward slant of right wheel assembly, slight starboard rotation of tail assembly
Date of Review: March 2009

Overview
This is the first model I've built in over 30 years. Before starting construction, I bought new modeling supplies: spray booth, compressor, airbrush, paints, brushes, respirator, etc. My overall goal for this project was to simply go through the complete process of a build - a process more involved than the one I used as a young adult. The basic process included: 1) building all the sub-assemblies, 2) priming  3) applying a base coat, 4) painting the camouflage,  5) applying a gloss coat, 6) applying decals, 7) applying a gloss coat, 8) applying weathering , 9) applying a gloss coat, 10) painting and assembling the canopy, and 11) applying a flat coat. With this model I was not concerned with adding detail, precisely matching colors, or filling every seam.


The Kit
Since this is my first model kit in a long, long time, I have nothing to compare it to. Overall, I was pleased with the degree of detail and the ease of assembly. However, there were some issues I must point out. One, there were no holes in the wings to properly fit the Wing Bomb Racks or the Dive Brake.  Two, the entire tail piece seems to have a slight clockwise rotation which is very noticeable when viewing the aircraft from the front. Three, because of a misaligned attachment point on the wing, the right Wheel Assembly has a slight medial slant. Four, the middle-aft canopy was mal-formed showing a gaping hole between the canopy and the fuselage.  If this were a real airplane, I wouldn't fly it! LOL

The Build
I chose to build the JU87D-5 version.

Step 1:  I built the cockpit. I dry-brushed the Instrument Panel with steel paint and painted the headrest brown. I weathered the entire cockpit to pop the details in the walls, floor and seat.  I omitted the pilots. Yes, this represents a minimal effort in cockpit detail, but then again, detail was not one of my goals for this project.

Step 2: I constructed the rest of the airplane.  I choose to postpone the installation of the Bombs, Bomb Trapeze, Wing Light, Canopy, Antenna, and Machine Gun.  I omitted the Exhaust Flame Damper completely. Since I had pre-painted the cockpit, Radiator Grille, Wheels/Tires, and Wing Liquid Coolers, I either masked them with tape or cotton balls. I sprayed the plane with Plastikote Sandable Primer, did a minimal amount of seam filling, and then re-primed.

Step 3: I applied the base coat and then the camouflage. I masked the camouflage pattern using 3M Scotch-Blue Painters Tape for Delicate Surfaces (#2080).  I then painted the underside of the aircraft and the accent color.

Step 4: I applied a coat of Future, the decals, then another coat of Future. The decals were generally easy to apply, except for the tiny, tiny ones. I used MicroSet when applying the decals.

Step 5: I painted and installed the Bomb Trapeze and Bombs.

Step 6: I painted the canopy frames and machine gun. I tried using ParaFilm-M to mask the windows but had no luck. The canopy frame lines were simply too thin. Time after time, I tried to pull up the film over the frame, but the film over the glass came up instead. I finally decided to forgo that approach and mask/paint one frame line at a time: frame outlines first, horizontal lines next, then vertical lines. It was when I was painting the canopies that I noticed the middle-aft canopy was malformed on its front, port side, resulting in a 1/8" gap between the canopy and the fuselage. It looked terrible so I decided to hide it by displaying the middle-fore canopy in the open position. The canopies were glued to the fuselage with Elmers. Unfortunately I noticed some "fogging" where the canopy windows overlaid each other. I'm not sure what caused this, perhaps some glue seeped up.

Step 7: I ran a thin brass wire from the antenna to the tail. The wire was the smallest I could find at the hardware store, but probably about 50-60% bigger in diameter than it should be for an airplane of this scale. I then weathered the wire and its attachment points.

Step 8: I sprayed the canopy, Machine Gun, and antenna wire with Future and then sprayed the entire model with a flat coat.

Paints
BlackGreen: Tamiya XF-27
Dark Green: Tamiya XF-61
Light Blue: Tamiya XF-23
Dark Gray: Tamiya XF-24
Yellow: Tamiya XF-3
Steel: Master Modelers 4679
Brown: Tamiya XF-10
Flat Black: Tamiya XF-1
Gloss Coat: Future
Flat Coat: Master Modeler Flat Clear Lacquer Finish

Weathering Formula
2 parts Flat Black, 5 parts water, 3 parts clear dish soap

Conclusion
I am proud of my first effort, but there are some things I will do differently on my next airplane.

1. No cotton balls - When using cotton balls as a mask, some of the cotton ball fuzz stuck to the primer. I managed to remove all the fuzz, but another approach would have been better.
2. No priming of canopy frame - This was an unnecessary step which caused some leakage under the tape. I couldn't simply scrape it off the lacquer like I could acrylic paint. It turned out that the acrylic paint adhered just fine without the need for primer.
3. Smaller diameter antenna wire - I'll try to find some smaller diameter wire.
4. No gluey/foggy canopies - I will do two things here. First, leave the canopy masked while installing it. The mask will protect the canopy from "gluey fingers". Second, I will not spray Future or a flat coat over the canopy glass as this seems to haze the glass.

 

Respectfully, Dobby

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