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SBD-3 Dauntless WIP (9/4 - Slow but DONE!)

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Posted by mucker on Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:40 PM
Tremendous build of a classic, DoogsATX. The weathering is spot-on to me.

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Posted by p38jl on Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:40 PM

YesBeer, hey < glad my tip helped out. The finished bird is really cool! Good Job! ToastWow

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Posted by jetmodeler on Monday, September 6, 2010 6:30 PM

I've got one word.

WOW!Bow DownToast

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, September 6, 2010 4:50 PM

Man, just took a look through this thread and WOW!  That really is some incredible work.  Love the weathering, professionally done IMHO.  Thanks for the WIP thread!

Frank 

 

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Posted by Aggieman on Monday, September 6, 2010 11:16 AM

Beautiful work Doogs!

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Posted by Spike190 on Monday, September 6, 2010 10:12 AM

Doogs I've kept an eye on your build but never got a chance to post until now. Well done on a fantastic job, glad you hung in till the end despite your mini disasters.

Thanks for sharing your build, i'll look out for your next one.

Cheers...

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by Butz on Sunday, September 5, 2010 9:57 PM

 Lmbo @ fermis.. Hahaha you said Det de deh......

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

  If you would listen to everybody about the inaccuracies, most of the kits on your shelf would not have been built Too Close For Guns, Switching To Finger

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Posted by fermis on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:43 PM

 Oh yeah, just saw that yesterday...............  Det de deh..... I'm an idiot!!!!Dunce Stick out tongue

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:35 PM

fermis

Do you, by chance, have some of your older(before the "break") builds that you could post pics of. I know when I came back from my break, my builds were leaps and bounds ahead of where I had left off. Surprizingly amazing what a break can do!!! You do great work, my man!!! Looking forward to the next one.

ToastToastToast

Conveniently enough, I posted several of them up in the general discussion forum early last week. 

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Keep in mind, these were the "rock stars" that survived strafing runs by roman candles and were deemed worthy enough to be packed up and shipped off when my parents moved to Arizona. The ones that didn't survive...some of them were just flat horrid.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by fermis on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:25 PM

Do you, by chance, have some of your older(before the "break") builds that you could post pics of. I know when I came back from my break, my builds were leaps and bounds ahead of where I had left off. Surprizingly amazing what a break can do!!! You do great work, my man!!! Looking forward to the next one.

ToastToastToast

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 5, 2010 7:52 PM

Thanks Mike!

Next up I'm already working on two F4F-3 Wildcats for the NMF II & Alleycat groups, and I'm about to crack into a Zvezda Lavochkin La-5 for Ostfront. Recently added some shelving to the work area, so I actually have storage to support more than one build now!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Butz on Sunday, September 5, 2010 7:41 PM

 She looks great Doogs..!! See in the end, it was well worth the minor issues here and there..!! So what's your next project?

 Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead the Way

  If you would listen to everybody about the inaccuracies, most of the kits on your shelf would not have been built Too Close For Guns, Switching To Finger

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Posted by DoogsATX on Sunday, September 5, 2010 2:14 AM

Thanks again, guys!

Just to clarify quickly, this isn't my first model back, it's my second.

Still, I think it's an improvement in a few ways over the 'Stang, and certainly imparted a lot more learning...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by kermit on Saturday, September 4, 2010 11:10 PM

EXCELLENT build Doog!Wink Love the weathering and your preshading worked out very very well indeed. Dive flaps are a real eyecatcher on these birds so i am glad you went for AM ones. Especially the third picture from above really makes me imagine a carrier backgroundBig Smile

As a first build coming back to the hobby i am very certain you will be building show winning builds in no time sir. Very impressive.

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by AlterEcho on Saturday, September 4, 2010 10:36 PM

I looked at the finished build before reading the rest of the build. Without knowing what had happened I was blown away by your build. The weathering is perfect for a battle-hardened war plane. The decals look great with their faded look. And the post shading and streaks really show through. Then I read the epic trials that you went through to complete this build. Bravo! I would have never known from the look of your plane. Beautiful plane and what a way to come back into the hobby.

 

BTW...the best decal products, that I have used, are Gunze Sangyo Mr Mark Setter Decal Setting Solution and Gunze Sangyo Mr Mark Softer Decal Softening Solution. I have tried just about all of the products out there and these have always worked for me.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:54 PM

So in the interest of closing things out and maybe, just maybe, helping a fellow modeler of middling ability who happens upon this kit, I thought it'd be worthwhile to do a little post-mortem on this build. Especially seeing as how I learned a ton on it!

1 - Go overboard on the cockpit if you want, but it won't matter. Once it's closed up, it's hard to see much of anything beyond the pilot's seat, gunner's turret, and maybe the instrument panel. Focus your efforts there. Also, sprucing up the interior with PE struck me as overkill in hindsight.

2 - It's the little things that get you on this kit. Major fit and finish is spectacularly good...it's the things like the gun plate forward of the windscreen not seating over the instrument panel, or the canopy pieces being too thick to stack properly, that will have you pulling out your hair.

3 - The kit flaps are worthless. If you're going to make a serious go at this kit, track down the Eduard flaps.

4 - Don't drip CA on your stabilizers! Or use Polly flat!

5 - I used fishing line for the antenna. I honestly don't know how well stretched sprue would work here since the antenna has that sag where the sub-antenna attaches. This was, amazingly, the first antenna rigging I've ever done!

6 - Wet-sanding after the flat coat, then flat coating again adds a new layer to the worn, weathered look, especially along the wing and major fuselage surfaces.

7 - Don't glue the engine pieces together with white glue!

8 - Mr. Surfacer 1200 is an amazing primer.

9 - Vallejo acrylics thinned with future airbrush really, really well.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by oddmanrush on Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:37 PM

She may have caused you some trouble but you finished with a model to be proud of! Good work Doogs!

Jon

My Blog: The Combat Workshop 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, September 4, 2010 8:38 PM

Thanks gents, I'm honored!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 7:59 PM

Ditto excellent work Doogs, and thanks for sharing it here with usYes

 

 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, September 4, 2010 7:47 PM

Hard to find anything wrong with that one. A stunning build! Great weathering too. Definitely glad you stuck with it. Would have hated to miss seeing a finished build of this quality. Yes

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, September 4, 2010 6:24 PM

Most excellent!!!!ToastToastToast

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, September 4, 2010 6:15 PM

Just put the finishing touches on the Dauntless. She's officially done!

Of course, she fought me to the last, with the main canopy deciding it no longer wanted to play the whole stacking game. Fortunately some aggressive filing inside the canopy frame managed to calm things down a lot.

My sincere thanks to all those who came along for the (at times bumpy) ride! Your support, critiques and suggestions have been most appreciated!

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, September 4, 2010 2:12 AM

Mike - that's fascinating, but great to know! I can swear I've read about people swearing by the Polly flat...guess maybe not so much!

And the Dauntless is looking much better now that it has a fresh coat of Testors dullcote curing. The sanding actually makes it look a bit more stressed, believe it or not. All I've got left are the wingtip lights, canopy and antenna. Maybe tomorrow...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 1:51 AM

Doogs, Sounds like you want it finished yesterday and off the bench...We all get that feeling sometimes....Stick with it cause we want to see this fine build all doneYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Butz on Saturday, September 4, 2010 1:23 AM

Howdy Doog,

 Wow she is really coming along... I concur with everyone here, over all she is a beaut and I really like the pre shading deal.. Outstanding..

 As for the Polyscale Flat ordeal..... I too came across the same issue. I took care of it by re spraying gloss over it which took away the milky white appearance..

 Talked to a few autobody experts that I know and told them what had happened.. They are said the flat had to much flatting agent in it...   Ugh really..!!

 I went one step further.. I called Testers and spoke with Donna and again I explained the ordeal and what I was told..

 A few weeks later and letter came from Testers/Polyscale div with a label for a return of the flats I had used and the unopened ones.

 A few weeks later she called and said what the other gents said was correct.. To much flatting agent and that the formula had errors... As to date, and from I had heard,  Testers is dropping their Polyscale line of paints...

 Sorry for the long explaination but.... It had to get out!! I am really looking forward to seeing her done!! Hate to see a few issues kill the mood of an excellent build!!

 Take care my friend

Flaps up,

Mike

Rangers Lead The Way

  If you would listen to everybody about the inaccuracies, most of the kits on your shelf would not have been built Too Close For Guns, Switching To Finger

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, September 3, 2010 11:35 PM

fermis - The kit's really not all that bad. Actually, overall, it's pretty close to excellent. Just a bit...overdone in some places I think. These tolerance issues popping up at the very end are annoying, but in my frustration with my own screw ups (CA drop, flecks...) and ready-to-be-doneness I'm probably overstating them.

As for the flaps, they are the one part of the kit that I think is just terrible. The near-universal warpage, the way they're connected to the sprue trees (1/2" long tabs rather than the usual little nubs), the kind of sloppy-looking holes. I don't think they'd fit since it's off-scale, but I'd honestly rather take the flaps off the Revell Dauntless, drill them out, and use them instead.

If you can track down a set of the Eduard flaps, by all means do so. I'm in a questioning mood about the value of PE stuff these days, but the flaps are a definite exception. Totally worth the money. They're exquisite, and dead-easy to assemble. I ignored all of their insane flap actuator business and just mounted the flaps to the kit actuators, and it was really pretty painless. Except for dropping CA all over the stabilizer...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by fermis on Friday, September 3, 2010 10:47 PM

Well, at least you've got the spots more or less taken care of. I don't recall having much trouble with mine. But, that was back in the day, when I said "AH, screw it!!!" ALOT!!!!  Got another in the stash, of course with warpped flaps, I'll have to try to find me some new ones!!!

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, September 3, 2010 11:49 AM

p38jl - HUGE thanks for the sanding suggestion! I wet-sanded most of the fuselage and upper surfaces with 1000-grit and had pretty solid results. I wasn't able to remove all of the flecks entirely, but the sanding certainly removed a lot of them and helped fade out the others.

The water from the wet sanding also piled up in the panel lines and dried white. Wipedowns and more water seemed to work until dry, when the white panel lines returned. Finally slathered everything with Promodeller's Dark Dirt wash, then wiped away the excess as it dried up a bit.

Here's the before and after:

The other fun story of the evening? The propeller mounting pin is maybe 2-3mm too long, and I haven't been able to get the prop to seat flush the way it should. This has been a headache with later construction all over the aircraft. The tire mounts on the landing struts were too long. Several of the clear pieces have been too wide. Best yet, the windscreen doesn't sit flush with the canopy line. The full canopy included with the kit even has little extensions to cover this up if you're displaying it all closed up. It's kind of like they knew it didn't fit and said "ah, screw it".

So...the prop. I decided to go ahead and pull it off so I could trim the mounting pin back a little bit. Gripped things as best as I could, pulled very gently, and pop! At first I thought it was the engine coming off the firewall, but it was actually just the crankcase and wiring harness popping off.

At this point, nothing's surprising me with this build.

Got some thinned white glue, loaded it into one of my disposable paint droppers, and fired it through the wiring harness using a CA applicator tip. Secured the crankcase back on with the Loctite outdoor adhesive I'm fast coming to love. If it didn't have that annoying habit of stringing out, it'd be the perfect "slow glue".

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, September 2, 2010 10:45 AM

oddmanrush

DoogsATX sorry you're wrestling the Dauntless. I hate coming across a model that I would just like to get over with. Kills the enjoyment in the hobby. At least you can rely on your wife for an objective eye. My wife usually gives me the same answer for each model I show her.

<hey hon, what do you think? Look good?>

<Mmm hmmm.>

<But....you weren't even looking....>

Any way, good luck with finishing! Keep a stiff upper lip.

Yeah, I hate the feeling, too. The Dauntless has felt a bit needlessly complex throughout the entire build, and running into these issues in the home stretch is just aggravating beyond belief. 

But I have to give the wife credit - she even knows it's a Dauntless, and a dive bomber! Though she's a bit bewildered by this arcane hobby. My building finally petered out back when I started bringing her home over the holidays and whatnot, so she's never been exposed to it before. Of course, it's way cheaper than offroading, so from that standpoint she's all too happy to accomodate me.

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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