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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:46 PM

Love it. Excellent weathering and great description.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 12, 2015 5:19 PM

EBergerud

I just stumbled on this photo that shows the replica of the "Eternal Zero" built for the ground scenes. (No idea if it flies.) Anyway this is the way the film makers handled heavy weather on a real Zero.

Eric

 

Fantastic photo Eric, thanks for sharing!

John: Thanks for the recommendation!

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, October 12, 2015 5:04 PM

I just stumbled on this photo that shows the replica of the "Eternal Zero" built for the ground scenes. (No idea if it flies.) Anyway this is the way the film makers handled heavy weather on a real Zero.

Eric

 

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Posted by Aleksander on Monday, October 12, 2015 8:35 AM

Great looking Rei-sen!

Fantastic chipping job! Looks very real. Congratulations!

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Sunday, October 11, 2015 10:43 AM

wow, thats some incredible chipping!! Smile

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Posted by wolfhammer1 on Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:26 PM

Guys, if you are interested in the Kamikaze, look up a book titled Dangers Hour, by Kennedy.  In it, the author was able to identify one of the 2 Kamikaze who hit the U.S.S. Bunker Hill and took her out of the war.  Very interesting and a little scary to think how easy it was to recruit the Kamikaze, and how easy it would be to use the same techniques today.  Awesome model work there, and thanks for the write up as well.

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:29 PM

EBergerud

I have a couple of Hasegawa Zeros and they're not much better than the ancient Tamiya that I built. The new Tamiya Zeros have come out in the last five years and are real gems. There is an A6M3 and A6M5 in 1/48 and an A6M2 and A6M5 in 1/32 (which came out earlier - about 2000). You can tell the old ones from the new ones by the price - the old 1/48s are about $15 and the new ones $40. The new 1/32s are above $100 - although the Zeros, being first, are lesser in cost. All of the new generation of 1/32s from Tamiya - (P-51, Spitfire, Corsair and Mosquito) have received crazy-good reviews. Doog just did the Corsair and said it was the best kit he'd seen. Space would keep me from going to 1/32 (a good scale for WWI). And I've probably got 30 1/48 fighters and several 1/72 four-engined planes - very good kits all. 

Not that Hasegawa doesn't make good kits. They better - next up is the Revell Germany rebox of the Hasegawa Spit IX/XVI.

Eric

 

Hey Eric, big thanks! I've been looking at HobbyLink Japan and their prices even with shipping are better than most everyone over here.

PJ: Good luck with that, seems like you're getting it figured out. I've used hairspray for awhile now but don't have any experience with enamels.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:58 PM

I experimented with the cheap hairspray I use for chipping acrylics with MM enamel paint and it works too. The only difference is that the water will not breach the topcoat as when using acrylics, which let's the water dissolve the hairspray for the effect. I sprayed the hairspray and dried it with a hair drier them shot some MM enamel. Waited about 10 minutes for it to dry with the help of the hair drier. I had to use a toothpick to scratch the paint so that the water could dissolve the hairspray otherwise it would not work. With acrylic paint is different as only moderate to light force with a brush is needed for the chipping effect.

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Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:19 PM

I don't want to argue the fine points of chemistry, but I think "acrylic" can be used to refer to anything containing acrylic acid - a colorless liquid that will mix with a number of other liquids including water. Your paint is pigment suspended in an acrylic polymer agent. According to Golden, the oldest and one of the best producers of acrylic paints for artists (which work great on styrene if you figure out the correct mediums) their paints will mix with water, if you want to keep and oil or enamel like finish the emulsion cannot have too much water in it or the coherence of the paint will break down (exactly what you'd want if you wanted to emulate water colors). Hence items like airbrush mediums. Vallejo Model Color "Thinner Medium" is the same stuff - white in color but much thinner than its paint. Perhaps there is no water in either the polymer or the thinning mediums, but I wouldn't bet my house on it. A true acrylic is definitely water soluable. It is also non-toxic and unflammable. This is why many model paint gurus claim that both Tamiya and Gunze paints should be considered lacquers because they are both poisonous and flammable. If the solvents used in Tamiya are mixable with acrylic polymer they could be technically acrylics - as named. They do, however, act radically differently and best results are absolutely for sure certainly and postively gained by using Tamiya or Gunze lacquer thinners. The solvent based paints have some major advantages when airbrushing - they lay down nicely under any circumstances but really shine when thinned well over 50/50 and used for very low psi light coat painting.

AK describes Worn Effects as an "acrylic fluid" - no doubt to distinguish it from a solvent based product which most of their weathering products are. It takes little of the stuff to gain the desired effect and it is more consistent in effect than standard hairspray - I think it's worth the extra couple of dollars, but hairspray still works. (I wonder how well hairspray would have chipped if it had been left to dry for two days - AKs brew worked very nicely indeed - better for my purposes where paint coming off slowly was of great aid for micro chipping.

BTW: Golden has a new range of paints out called "High Flow" acrylics. They're a little like comparing Vallejo Model Color (quite close to Golden Fluid Acrylics) with Vallejo Model Air (close to Golden High Flow). But the Golden High Flow paints work like a charm on styrene - one of the best paints I've ever used. If I didn't have over 100 bottles of Vallejo I'd switch. And one thing - any acrylic polymer paint like Vallejo or Golden works far better for brush painting than does Tamiya or Gunze.

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Posted by TomcatGuy on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:46 PM

EBergerud

I don't have a clue whether Worn Effects would work with enamel - it is an acrylic product. Check YouTube maybe - there are a lot of segments on "hairspray technique" - and regular hairspray does work. Should note that while the product did what was asked, it did so after drying considerably longer than recommended. More to the point, most hairspray style weathering is done with a tooth brush or paint brush by wearing down the top coat. What I did took much longer. There are hundreds of microchips there applied, in essence, with a pinhead - the medium sized blotches are a collection of micro chips. I only used a tooth brush under the canopy. So it took a while.

Eric

 

 

There's a video of Mig using the chipping fluid with Humbrol enamel over it, so it will work apparently.

The worn effects is just watered down chipping medium. It's the same stuff, less concentrated. So, it too should work.

The stuff is also pretty much hairspray without fragrance and some of the other things not needed for the modeling application. Which is why it works so similiarly.

Also, the chipping and worn effects aren't really acrylic. Acrlyic is a paint term (which doesn't mean waterbased contraty to myth) and they aren't paint.

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:31 PM

I have a couple of Hasegawa Zeros and they're not much better than the ancient Tamiya that I built. The new Tamiya Zeros have come out in the last five years and are real gems. There is an A6M3 and A6M5 in 1/48 and an A6M2 and A6M5 in 1/32 (which came out earlier - about 2000). You can tell the old ones from the new ones by the price - the old 1/48s are about $15 and the new ones $40. The new 1/32s are above $100 - although the Zeros, being first, are lesser in cost. All of the new generation of 1/32s from Tamiya - (P-51, Spitfire, Corsair and Mosquito) have received crazy-good reviews. Doog just did the Corsair and said it was the best kit he'd seen. Space would keep me from going to 1/32 (a good scale for WWI). And I've probably got 30 1/48 fighters and several 1/72 four-engined planes - very good kits all. 

Not that Hasegawa doesn't make good kits. They better - next up is the Revell Germany rebox of the Hasegawa Spit IX/XVI.

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:16 PM

I don't have a clue whether Worn Effects would work with enamel - it is an acrylic product. Check YouTube maybe - there are a lot of segments on "hairspray technique" - and regular hairspray does work. Should note that while the product did what was asked, it did so after drying considerably longer than recommended. More to the point, most hairspray style weathering is done with a tooth brush or paint brush by wearing down the top coat. What I did took much longer. There are hundreds of microchips there applied, in essence, with a pinhead - the medium sized blotches are a collection of micro chips. I only used a tooth brush under the canopy. So it took a while.

Eric

 

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Posted by Arved on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:19 AM

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Fascinating story and very valuable tutorial on this excellent model. TY for taking the time to explain it all.

My words exactly! Well done, sir!

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:47 AM
Awesome weathering, looks like a very war weary bird

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Posted by TomcatGuy on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:01 AM

That's really nice. Chipping effect looks spot on.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 7:48 AM

That is awesome worn  and chipped effect.  I have used the hairspray method with acrylics in the past and produces a very realistic look but this product takes out the guessing work about the hairspray brand and appears to give more control.

Will that product work at chipping an enamel top coat?

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 7:32 AM

Thanks for information there Eric, should be easy enough to use the Tamiya kit since I'd only have to rig up the right tail insignia and I've got plenty of IJN decals in the stash. Much more sensible than paying extra for the Hasegawa kit just because it's the 'official 'Eternal Zero" kit. I probably have a bomb in the spares box but I'll give the resin aftermarket ones a look if I don't. 

Now I'm wondering if the Tamiya 1/32nd kit might work better since the figure would be bigger and easier to see and work with. 

I didn't know about the radios and guns being removed but it makes perfect sense in this situation. 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 7:23 PM
Beautiful work Eric...thanks for sharing. Joe

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 6:25 PM

Been told by a guru at Aeroscale that Kamikazes lacked aerials and antennas. I thought that was the case, but couldn't find verification that was clear to me. I did know that the radio and guns were removed to help carry the weight of the bomb. Anyway, the aerial was out of scale and the angle wasn't quite right (EZ line - fine when I glued it but it pulled back as it fully dried.) Anymore sins I will leave for St. Peter.

There's also a detail pic of the wings that shows the pigment fading technique used. Much more visible in person - I'll use that technique again.

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 5:10 PM
Awesome weathering looks well used

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 4:45 PM

There's a site in Japan - http://www.1999.co.jp - that normally carries instructions for kits for you to see in detail, even things long out of print. They have the Hasegawa "Eternal Zero" and it shows no bomb. Squadron and a number of other places still sell the resin bombs - not easy for me, but far better than nothing. (And cheap.) eBay has them too. The bombs are not made for a particular kit, so if you haven't bought it, I'd strongly recommend the new Tamiya A6M5 "Zeke" - that series has gotten excellent reviews and the one I have looks fantastic - much better than my Hasegawa. I'd guess price would be the same.

Thanks for kind words.

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:32 PM

Amazing story, amazing completion, amazing builder!

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Posted by Buckeye on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:25 AM

Love the results you got there! Yes

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:06 AM

Wonderful weathering, very convincing build. Super nice work.

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Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:02 AM

Fascinating story and very valuable tutorial on this excellent model.  TY for taking the time to explain it all.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:05 AM
Very nice Eric YesYesYes. Your narration is as excellent as your build. Man, you do your research!! I'm going to have to try some of those produces you mentioned.
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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 7:28 AM

Eric, that's fantastic!!! I just watched 'The Eternal Zero' last week and was thinking about trying to build the adapted grandpa (sorry I can't remember his name) in Miyabe's Type 51 at the end where the engine blew out and he was forced to return to base sitting there looking at the photo of Miyabe's family and letter with oil spewed all over the windscreen. 

Very cool you used the old kit, I was looking at Hasegawa's kits produced with the movie logo on them, I'm not sure if they have the right bomb or not- I'll have to check this out. 

Again, super cool- thanks for sharing with us here - sorry I can't follow every GB. 

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Complete: 1/48 Tamiya A6M2 Heavy Weather Kamikaze
Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 12:37 AM

 

Tamiya 1/48 A6M2 Zero

 

Paints: Gunze Silver, Vallejo Model Color, Iwata Com.Art

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was done for a 1945 Group Build on Finescale. What Japanese subject would fit better than a Kamikaze? At the planning stage I checked out a lot of photos and found a number like the two WWII era pics above – very heavily chipped Zeros with a lot of A6M2s in the mix. This fit into long term plans nicely. I have a lot of Pacific War kits unbilt and depending upon time or place they could be heavily weathered indeed. Some of the US planes flying out of places like Munda Point with coral strips were operating off sandpaper and showed it. There are a lot of ways to do chipping and I used my medical experiment kits to try things out. Finally decided that a variation on the “hairspray technique” often used by armor fans would work the best. But I wasn't sure how to put on heavy weather and also remain coherent. So, let her rip says I.

 

 

 

There's history here too. The pic with the Zeros loaded with the very distinctive bombs was a group of A6M2s attacking Leyte in 1944. (I found a list of IJN Special Attack Missions and there were a large number of A6M2s used. They or planes like them intervened at the tail end of the Samar battle and sunk St. Lo – a better job than Yamato and company.) Nakajima built them until 1944 because the IJNAF could use anything produced.) I also got a copy of a really neat movie called “Eternal Zero.” This flick was a mega hit in Japan and I broke down a bought a DVD from a Japanese movie site. (Only $18 and in “International” format which played on my player very nicely – sellers on eBay are asking $50.) The movie was a bit sentimental – not unusual for the Japanese – but it brims with excellent history, splendid ground sets with replica aircraft and jaw-dropping CGI. I know a bit about the Pacific War, and some of my friends know even more and everyone I know has been impressed with the technical accuracy. The longer the war goes on, the more heavily weathered appear the planes. A quirk of the plot has the hero intentionally using an A6M2 for his final flight and it's a mess. But I froze a number of shots that gave me a really good guide on how to duplicate the mega-chipping used in the movie. I can't prove that's what they looked like in real life, but I'd put more credit to the techno wizards than my own ability to throw something together based on black/white photos.

 

 

 

A short word on the kit. This is an oldie, and lacks the detail Tamiya's new “Zeke” releases. (I have the new A6M5 and it look terrific.) But the kit is perfectly adequate for detail, has more recessed lines than many of Tamiya's early fighters, and went together very nicely. That's a $10 model – what's not to like – particularly if you're planning on tearing it apart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once I got the hang of it, the chipping was pretty direct. After priming, I painted the plane Gunze Shine Silver – Gunze makes fine metallics and this one went down nicely. I put on some future to toughen the surface and let it dry for a day. Then I put on AK “Worn Effects” which emulates the “hairspray technique” used by armor fans. This is one specialized product that's a real improvement over something cheap from a drug store. I gave it an adequate coat, and then painted most of the plane a combination of Vallejo MC Bronze Green and German External Dark Green – the effect was a very black green. (I took all coloring advice from Nick Millman the kind and immensely knowledgeable head of the Japan Aircraft site. Colors are Nick's specialty.) It's not so apparent because I did some serious fading with a Tamiya Weathering Set that had a “fading green” pigment that was just perfect in hue. In future I'm going to be thinking about using pigments for fading on aircraft – I liked the effect a lot. I used Iwata Com.Art for panel lines and pin washes – it's a light effect but leaves a little grime on the surface which is what I wanted. Underneath I used MC Stone Grey and weathered it with a Flory wash – it's been a long time since I used one of those but it worked nicely.

 

 

 

One of the nice things about Worn Effects is that you can wet it again two days later and it will still come off, if a bit more slowly. This was good I think. There was major chipping across the surface, especially below the cockpit on both sides. But the CGI shots showed that the overall effect was made by many micro chips along panel lines which I applied with air-brush cleaning tool and a hobby knife. Smaller the better was usually the case although blotches existed throughout. AK has a more aggressive chipping fluid (so does Vallejo) and they both make chipping easier, but it would easy to get too many big botches off. Anyway, it took a while. So did the blinking resin bomb. The IJN 250 KG bomb had a very unique look to it so I could just throw on an American version. A company called KMC made a resin version now sold by Squadron. I've used resin, but this one was no picnic. There was only one slot to help fit six different parts and it was not designed for a particular kit. That meant I had to do a lot of stuff combining CA and the eyeball. And unless my photos are wrong, the configuration of the bomb frame/bomb is a little off. They said paint it silver, so I did. The pics from the movie showed gray I think.

 

 

 

But in for a penny.... The overall effected required chips on the national markings. So they had to be masked and painted on. Fortunately the usual white stripe around the hinomarus was often painted over by hand with black on the sides and upper wings – which I did. The numbers are decals with light chipping done with silver paint. Should point out that every stage of painting with Worn Effects on had to be done separately and given a good dry to prevent masking tape from bringing up unwanted streaks.

 

 

 

 

It was hard not to do this subject without thinking about the “Special Attack” forces. We know a lot about them now. The first class were volunteers to a man and represented the best educated Japanese youth. After Okinawa – and I think the Tokyo government knew this – morale was beginning to yield but public display was impossible so great was the psychological and physical control held by the Japanese military. There's no doubt that a large number of the late pilots (at least 3,000 were trained and had planes on VJ Day) had been the victims of massive psychological pressure. Kamikazes were a nasty weapon off Leyte and Okinawa. The only thing that limited their effectiveness was the inability to fuze their bombs to penetrate decks. Ideally one wanted a bigger bomb than 250 kg, but if something that size penetrated, it could do ugly damage to any vessel this side of the Iowa. (The soul victim of the Cherry Blossum was a US picket escort that sunk in minutes because it was a flying fuzed bomb.) Most planes hit by a conventional Kamikaze would suffer damage on deck where the bomb went off and often severe loss of life. But the number of ships sunk, particularly anything larger than a DE, was low considering the extraordinary size of the USN and healthy number of aircraft expended – around 2,500.

 

 

 

Attacking US troops ships and landing ships from bases in Kyushu might have been a different story. It would have been extremely difficult for USN combat air patrol to protect the landings with attackers coming in low and maybe 20 minutes from their field. And the Japanese were going to pursue soft targets like LST and troop transports. The USN knew this all too well, and were getting cold feet on Olympic before Hiroshima made the question moot. That didn't mean the USN was getting cold feet on the war – the close blockade planned in the winter of 45-46 would have been designed to starve Japan. There were even plans to spray pesticides on cropland. Both nations were close to a war of annihilation. But this tragedy was no case of moral equivalence. It was the willingness of the Japanese soldier (or airman) to sacrifice his life for the honor of Japan that had convinced American soldiers and their leaders in Washington that Japan was – can't think of another word – crazy. And if you're dealing with crazy people, normal power politics don't work well. I look at all of this has a product of a generation of all-out indoctrination on the part of the Japanese military which controlled “social studies” in the Japanese school system from the time of Meiji and were running everything by the 1930s. The result was the spread of a kind of ersatz bushido designed to wed citizen and emperor. It worked all too well. Japanese fighting men often encouraged each other by saying “we shall meet at the Yasakuni Shrine.” This reflected an incredible physical courage. It also almost brought utter ruin to a great nation. Sobering.

 

 

 

More pics below.

 

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