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Eduard F6F-5 (late) Profilpack - review/build/wip

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  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Littleton, Colorado
Posted by harp.ta on Monday, April 11, 2016 1:17 AM

Day 1 - 

Got started by building the harnesses which were several parts each.  There is one tiny red strap that goes in the middle of each harness that was just too small for me to handle so I opted to skip those - otherwise the belts are completely done.  Also attached the rear bulkhead to the floor and affixed the seat to both.  Added the rod to attach the harnesses to and glued the control stick to the floor.  Also attached some of the detail parts to the starboard and port panels.  Once all that was completed, the cockpit parts were primed using Vallejo acrylic (black) primer.  After the primer set up for about an hour, I painted the cockpit parts and fuselage interior using a custom mix of 5 parts chromate green (Model Master), 2 parts flat white, and 1 part Tamiya OD; its not an exact match to the Interior Green on the Eduard parts, but from what I can tell its pretty close (close enough to look good after a wash on the cockpit at least).

 

I also started on the engines and ordinance.  The cylinders were removed from the sprues and cleaned up.  The parts attach to the sprues twice at the end of each cylinder at the intake valves, making clean up quite the task.  There was also some flash in the circular end of each cylinder (between the intake valves), this was removed using a circular file, then the grooves were re-scribed as best as possible with a hobby knife.  Once removed they were primed in Vallejo acrylic primer (black).  The shaped HVAR rockets and 1000 lb bombs were also assembled.  The PE fins for the 1000 lb bombs are quite delicate and each set broke twice and had to be repaired.  However, the propellers for the bombs look quite good once mounted.  This was my first time assembling fins out of PE and though they aren't perfect, I'm quite proud just to have gotten them completed in a somewhat acceptable manner.  The HVAR rockets have a bit of flash on the fins/motor that had to be cleaned up.  I cleaned up each fin using a hobby knife and fine sanding stick.  That process made cleaning the cylinders on the radial engines up seem quite easy by comparison.  The guides for mounting the fins/motors to the shafts are quite worthless and were sanded down.  Each set of fins was then attached using Tamiya Extra Thin Cement.  

 

The next tasks will be to attach the rest of the PE parts in the cockpit, then clearcoat and wash before sealing the fuselage up.  The engines are also to be painted and the leads attached, then those will be sealed and washed using AK interactive engine wash.

Thanks for looking in!

Cheers, 

/T

On the Bench:

  • Tamiya 1/48 A-1J Skyraider (USAF)
  • Tamiya 1/48 He-219 A-7
  • Tamiya 1/48 P-47M

In the Fridge:

  • Modern Times Brewing Blazing World
  • Lawson's Finest Liquids Sip of Sunshine
  • Half Acre Gone Away IPA

"Why do they lock gas station restrooms?  Are they afraid someone might clean them?"

- George Carlin

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Littleton, Colorado
Posted by harp.ta on Saturday, April 9, 2016 11:00 PM

Thanks for all the info guys, I appreciate it - and as always thanks for taking a look in on the build.  

A question involving loadouts - specifically for ground support missions.  I want to do this bird loaded for bear.  Right now I'm leaning towards "Death and Destruction" off the deck of the USS Essex.  Essex supported the invasions of both Iwo Jima and Okinawa - the latter would be about right for the subject I'm thinking I'll build.  The loadout would be 2 1,000lb bombs and 6 shaped HVARS.  My question is - would they have the centerline tank mounted for a CAS type mission or would they take it off due to the short range and heavy bomb load?  

Breaking down the math on the weight:

  • 2x 1,000lb bomb = 2,000lb
  • 6x Shaped HVAR @ 180.5 (135 for the rocket, 45.5 for the warhead - #s are for a standard 5" HVAR, I couldn't find weight for the shaped variant) = 1,083lb
  • 250 gallon tank probably weighed 325lb + 2500lb-ish for the fuel itself (estimated) = 2,825lb
  • Empty weight of an F6F-5N was 9,238lb + 5,908lb for ordinance = 15,146lb
  • Max takeoff weight of 15,415lb

So theoretically it would be possible but if its a ground support mission the fuel requirements wouldn't neccessarily require a drop tank so the question is would it be more efficient to launch the bird without the centerline tank?  I have to think the additional fuel would be offset by the additional weight and thus they'd launch without the drop tank (or without it filled at least).  However, I don't trust myself on these matters and you guys are pretty damn smart so--- thoughts?  

Thinking right now is that I should leave the centerline tank off if I'm including all that ordinance.

On the Bench:

  • Tamiya 1/48 A-1J Skyraider (USAF)
  • Tamiya 1/48 He-219 A-7
  • Tamiya 1/48 P-47M

In the Fridge:

  • Modern Times Brewing Blazing World
  • Lawson's Finest Liquids Sip of Sunshine
  • Half Acre Gone Away IPA

"Why do they lock gas station restrooms?  Are they afraid someone might clean them?"

- George Carlin

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    February 2012
  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:27 AM

Your gonna love this kit.  It could use a new prop and  wheels, which are the weak spots on this kit.  Here's my dash 3 I did a few years ago should you need a reference as you go.....

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/153858.aspx

 

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, April 8, 2016 1:22 PM

Joe - thanks for posting such an in-depth intro to this. I have an earlier version I want to build, and I will be following this one with interest. Looking forward to seeing you pull it off!

-BD-

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, April 8, 2016 9:19 AM

I use Gunze quite a bit. I order mine from HobbyWave. Good service and relatively fast shipping.

https://www.hobbywave.com/

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, April 8, 2016 8:46 AM

On the Eduard color matching issue, like Nathan I find the poor colour matching by Eduard annoying. Shame, I'm otherwise a big Eduard fan.

My opinion is that the interior colors on the photo etch are so far off that I've never found a cockpit that I want to be those awful colors.

So what I've done on each of my Eduard PE cockpit modified offices is paint the interior a reasonable color and let the color mismatch be what it is.

I don't think this method would work in 1/32nd or larger, though.

No way a I saying this is the right approach, it is just mine.

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Friday, April 8, 2016 7:41 AM

You'll have to custom match it to the Eduard etch. That's why I hate that stuff. I get Gunze through Lucky Model, I used to use MDC in the U K. But I think they nixed international shipping. 

 

 

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  • From: Littleton, Colorado
Posted by harp.ta on Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:40 PM

Nathan T

 

 
harp.ta

 

 
mustang1989

Dam man I kept scrolling just to see when the sprue shots were going to end. Lotsa parts! I've got two of these "in stock" and the wing fold conversion kit from Wolfpack. These are beautiful kits and I can't wait to break out the blue paint and get started on one.

Speaking of Wolfpack Conversions, that's sweet lil' giddyup too:

 

 

 

 

 

I thought about the wing fold kit, but surgery on a model has never been my strong suit.  I have one for tamiya's A1-H but skipped it on my first skyraider.  I'll buy another H after I do J and use it then.. i have a serious skyraider problem.  

Speaking of problems - do any of you guys know which interior/chromate green best matches the Eduard pre-colored PE cockpit sets?

 

 

 

yes, Gunze H-58

 

Thanks for the info!  I checked amazon and a few other sites I usually buy modelling supplies off and I couldn't find it anywhere.  Any idea who sells gunze here in the US?  I know my local hobbytown stores don't stock it.

From the look of it I think maybe a base of MM chromate green with some olive drab and white added might get it pretty close... anyone ever tried to mix it custom with a MM or Tamiya base?

On the Bench:

  • Tamiya 1/48 A-1J Skyraider (USAF)
  • Tamiya 1/48 He-219 A-7
  • Tamiya 1/48 P-47M

In the Fridge:

  • Modern Times Brewing Blazing World
  • Lawson's Finest Liquids Sip of Sunshine
  • Half Acre Gone Away IPA

"Why do they lock gas station restrooms?  Are they afraid someone might clean them?"

- George Carlin

  • Member since
    August 2009
  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:56 PM

Looking forward to this harp. You nailed it when you summized the Eduard Hellcat to be one of the best 1/48 kits around. I just recently finished the Eduard 1/72 F6F-3 Hellcat and it was a gem. The 1/48 kit is simply the 1/72 kit on steroids. And yes, the Eduard cowling is hands down the best rendition of the Hellcat "smile". Bring It On!!

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:23 PM

harp.ta

 

 
mustang1989

Dam man I kept scrolling just to see when the sprue shots were going to end. Lotsa parts! I've got two of these "in stock" and the wing fold conversion kit from Wolfpack. These are beautiful kits and I can't wait to break out the blue paint and get started on one.

Speaking of Wolfpack Conversions, that's sweet lil' giddyup too:

 

 

 

 

 

I thought about the wing fold kit, but surgery on a model has never been my strong suit.  I have one for tamiya's A1-H but skipped it on my first skyraider.  I'll buy another H after I do J and use it then.. i have a serious skyraider problem.  

Speaking of problems - do any of you guys know which interior/chromate green best matches the Eduard pre-colored PE cockpit sets?

 

yes, Gunze H-58

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Littleton, Colorado
Posted by harp.ta on Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:55 PM

mustang1989

Dam man I kept scrolling just to see when the sprue shots were going to end. Lotsa parts! I've got two of these "in stock" and the wing fold conversion kit from Wolfpack. These are beautiful kits and I can't wait to break out the blue paint and get started on one.

Speaking of Wolfpack Conversions, that's sweet lil' giddyup too:

 

 

 

I thought about the wing fold kit, but surgery on a model has never been my strong suit.  I have one for tamiya's A1-H but skipped it on my first skyraider.  I'll buy another H after I do J and use it then.. i have a serious skyraider problem.  

Speaking of problems - do any of you guys know which interior/chromate green best matches the Eduard pre-colored PE cockpit sets?

On the Bench:

  • Tamiya 1/48 A-1J Skyraider (USAF)
  • Tamiya 1/48 He-219 A-7
  • Tamiya 1/48 P-47M

In the Fridge:

  • Modern Times Brewing Blazing World
  • Lawson's Finest Liquids Sip of Sunshine
  • Half Acre Gone Away IPA

"Why do they lock gas station restrooms?  Are they afraid someone might clean them?"

- George Carlin

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:15 PM

Nathan T
Very ambitious wing fold there Mustang Joe

Yeah I know. lol. I just couldn't resist!!!

                   

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    March 2010
  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, April 7, 2016 2:59 PM

Oh yeah sweet kit. Bring on the gloss sea blue baby! Very ambitious wing fold there Mustand Joe. 

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2012
  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:45 PM

Dam man I kept scrolling just to see when the sprue shots were going to end. Lotsa parts! I've got two of these "in stock" and the wing fold conversion kit from Wolfpack. These are beautiful kits and I can't wait to break out the blue paint and get started on one.

Speaking of Wolfpack Conversions, that's sweet lil' giddyup too:

 

 

                   

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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:14 AM

Very cool, I built their F6F-3 about a year ago and loved it enough I went out and picked up the nightfighter version. Absolute gem of a kit. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:12 AM

Thank you for the in depth and thorough review.  I'm looking forward to this build.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Littleton, Colorado
Eduard F6F-5 (late) Profilpack - review/build/wip
Posted by harp.ta on Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:24 AM

Decided to wait a little on the B-25b I had planned to build next and start on my Eduard F6F that my wife bought me for Valentines Day.  Going to try my hand at a short review and post some pics as I progress on the build.

The Kit

The kit comes on five gray sprues and one clear sprue that are nearly perfect in all aspects.  There is no flashing and almost no injector pin marks.  Also included are two sheets of photoetch detail parts - one of the solid brass variety and one featuring colored cockpit details and some of the finest harnesses you can find in 1/48 scale.  The kit also includes resin wheels/tires, masks, and a full-color, highly detailed, 16 page instruction booklet.  Decals come one two sheets - one containing markings and the other containing stencils.  The registration and color is nearly perfect and carrier film seems to be minimal.

There are four options for markings:

  • VF-12/VBF-12, USS Randolph (CV-15), May 1945
  • LCDR T. Hugh Winters of VF-19, USS Lexington, October 1944
  • VF-29, USS Cabot, January-March 1945
  • White 115, "Death and Destruction", BuNo 72534, ENS Donald McPherson, Bill Kingston, Jr., and Lyttleton Ward of VF-83, USS Essex, May 5th, 1945

The first thing noticed upon inspection of the parts is the exquisite detail Eduard has put into this kit.  The panel lines are crisp and well-sized, rivet detail is excellent, and the cowl is perhaps the most accurate in 1/48 scale.  The fuselage even features the unique "scalloped" panels featured on the Hellcat.  The R2800-10W engine is fantastic and PE ignition wires are included to add an extra dimension of detail to an already fine engine.  The propeller is one piece and includes raised detail around the boss.  The canopy is thin and crystal clear; it also includes raised detail on the frame, which is well defined.  Ordinance includes a centerline fuel tank, six 2-pc shaped HVAR rockets, six 2-pc HVAR rockets, and four bombs (two 500lb and two 1000lb).

Overall, this is probably the nicest kit in 48th scale I've ever seen, and the inclusion of detail up parts such as resin, masks, and photoetch makes the ~$50 pricepoint a bargain.  This is a fantastic kit for advanced modelers or intermediate modellers who are looking to try their hand at using detail up parts without breaking the bank.  I would strongly advise modellers to have a pair of tweezers suitable for tiny detail parts, PE bending tools in at least two sizes, and an applicator suitable for applying minute quantities of CA glue before starting construction.  This is a highly recommended kit and represents one of the best values in 1/48 scale on the market today.

I'll be posting WIP pics and updates on construction as I proceed through the build - thanks for reading!

Cheers!

On the Bench:

  • Tamiya 1/48 A-1J Skyraider (USAF)
  • Tamiya 1/48 He-219 A-7
  • Tamiya 1/48 P-47M

In the Fridge:

  • Modern Times Brewing Blazing World
  • Lawson's Finest Liquids Sip of Sunshine
  • Half Acre Gone Away IPA

"Why do they lock gas station restrooms?  Are they afraid someone might clean them?"

- George Carlin

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