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Revel's response to my e-mail ;Why doesn't Revell provide nose weights to prevent tail sitters?

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Revel's response to my e-mail ;Why doesn't Revell provide nose weights to prevent tail sitters?
Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, May 5, 2016 9:39 PM

I have built a number of aircraft that require nose weights to prevent them from sitting on their tails. It is always guess work. I recently finished a 1/48 B-24 and could not install enough weight to prevent a tail sitter. I will be working on a 1/48 B-29 and I have no idea as to how much nose weight will be required. It will be guess work. SO I sent the following e-mail to Revell:

"I just completed your 1/48 B-24 and am working on your 1/48 B29.  Both of these models require the installation of nose weights to prevent the airplane from sitting on its tail.  It would be great if you provided molded nose weights with your kits. If you do not want to increase the price of your kits, why not sell them as separate parts? Why do you not provide nose weights?"

Following is their response:

Dear John,
This is an interesting idea. We will give it consideration at our next Product Development meeting. Thank you for your suggestion.
 
What do you think? Will it happen?

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, May 5, 2016 9:52 PM

Polite way of telling you no.Tamiya includes nose weights.

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Posted by Theuns on Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:16 PM

The trumpeter 1/32 Mig 21 has a metal intake shock cone as a weight...

 

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Posted by Toshi on Friday, May 6, 2016 4:26 AM

A nose weight was included in my Kitty Hawk, Bronco.

Toshi

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Posted by KWS on Friday, May 6, 2016 5:01 AM

Eduard included a nose weight in there P-39 profile pack.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, May 6, 2016 7:35 AM

No. But I do know of someone working on a 1/48 scale B-29. You're gonna need nose weights big time. Not only in the nose but elsewhere on the fuselage.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 6, 2016 8:04 AM

Well, as you said including them in the kit would increase the price. And if they sold them separtly they'd have to contract them out to another company, then package them, set up a whole stock-keeping and distribution system- I expect it would be a lot of work. Plus some companies stopped making lead figures and switched to pewter because some areas were so afraid some kid would swallow a chunk of lead that they banned stuff like this. 

There are aftermarket parts already, a net search found this guy:

http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/accessories/terrydeannoseweightsreviewbg_1.htm

Says 2007 on the link, no idea if he's still in business or not though. 

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Posted by echolmberg on Friday, May 6, 2016 8:16 AM

Hi John,

I love that big B-29 kit.  As you may have already guessed, it's going to take a lot of weight to keep the nose down but it can be done!  On my last kit, I stuffed split fishing weights in as many places (in the model) as I could.  Since then, I have purchased lead shot from a good hunting store.  The tiny lead shot can really fill up a space more densely than large fishing weights.  When it comes to the B-29, you'll even need to fill the gun tubs with weight and that's where the lead shot will really do a great job.  Just fill it with shot, pour in some white glue (or any other adhesive of your choice) and let it set.

Eric

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Posted by Geezer on Friday, May 6, 2016 8:30 AM

Hi JohnnyK. Unless they made a weight for every open spot on the B-29, they would have to use spent uranium. My current build is the B-29 and it is finally not a tail sitter...I think. Getting ready to put the wheels on today to see. I have

Used Liquid Gravity from Deluxe Materials to fill the wheels, fill the area above the chin turret, put BBs around the cockpit floor, put weights in the forward inch or so of the tunnel, and dropped/glued weights in each nacelle. The thing feel like it has five pounds of weight!

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Friday, May 6, 2016 8:53 AM

Eric and Geezer, those are great ideas for adding weight. Thanks. I was thinking of filling the naivigator's area solid with weight. Except for a small window, that area of the plane is not visible.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by Geezer on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:27 AM

.....and I still have a tail sitter. I am bummed out right now. More weight is needed.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:31 AM

Geezer

.....and I still have a tail sitter. I am bummed out right now. More weight is needed.

 

From what I have read on the Internet, you will need to pack the area behind the pilots with lead. 

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:38 AM

Like Mick Jagger says "You can't always get what you want "Although it would be nice.

On Tamiya' Me 262 they made the front gear bay out of white metal,so that provided the weight.

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Posted by Geezer on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:39 AM

JohnnyK
 
Geezer

.....and I still have a tail sitter. I am bummed out right now. More weight is needed.

 

 

 

From what I have read on the Internet, you will need to pack the area behind the pilots with lead. 

 

I am afraid that is true....I will have to go to the store!

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:48 AM

Put a wire brace under the tail.

It's not a-prototypical, esp. for cargo planes.

It's one heck of a lot easier than all of those gyrations being decribed. And cheaper.

Easy to avoid in photos.

 

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Posted by Geezer on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:50 AM

Finally got the nose down. It took about a bunch. I ended up with a tiny re-sealable bag from simething that I poured the LG in and sealed that. I then stuffed in the turret topening over the nav position. it now is a nose sitting craft. Sheesh that is a LOT of weight.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 6, 2016 2:39 PM

Another good spot on multi engine aircraft for weights is in the engine nacelles behind the firewalls but ahead of the main gear. I filled that area on my B-26 with lead shot, and it worked like a charm.

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 6, 2016 3:39 PM

I don't think i have even had a kit that includes weights. Many don't even suggest how much weight to add.

But i simply get around the whole issue by securing the models to a base.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, May 6, 2016 4:27 PM

I  built a Cessna 172 from Minicraft recently.  This is one of their new kits with superb molding, including a beautiful engine.  But, there is not enough room around the engine to cram enough lead in that space.  So the plans tell you that if you want it to sit on the nose gear without a stick propping up the tail, you must omit the engine!  geez, if they had cast that beautiful engine from lead or pewter, I'll be that would have done the job.  Minicraft casts with pretty thick rear fuselage and tails, so it takes a lot of nose wieght!

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, May 6, 2016 5:06 PM

Yes I use lead birdshot all the time and the small diameter of the shot makes it easier to epoxy it in tight spaces.The shot did great with my P-61 build but the seperate nose cone made it a lot easier.       in the case of my 1/48 JU-287,I put two .50 caliber muzzle loading bullets inside the fuselage but it was not enough.So I drilled a hole in the Rato rockets and filled them with bird shot and that did the trick.I made the landing gear out of brass tubing for strength due to all of the weight added.    

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, May 6, 2016 11:17 PM
Ha! That's about the same response I got from Hobby Lobby when I asked them to start carrying the good stuff again.....

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Geezer on Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:24 AM

Same here. Asked them if they would stock an entire line of paints. .....

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Posted by Geezer on Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:26 AM

Bish

I don't think i have even had a kit that includes weights. Many don't even suggest how much weight to add.

But i simply get around the whole issue by securing the models to a base.

 

 
The Eduard P-39 1/48 kit had a nose weight. Surprised me. Still not quite enough.

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Posted by Putsie on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:01 AM

Hi guys !

Over the years I've placed weight is some strange places.

Cut the engine front off and glued weight behind the thinned egine front.

Cast pilot seats from lead (I'm still working from a block obtained 30 years ago)

Under the floor, in wheels when they are two piece.

But I've had some "funny results"....put so much weight in a B-26 that the landing gear began to bend after about a year....needs to be replaced with aluminium tubing.

When the instuctiions state how much weight is needed I use a postage scale to measure.

I've also made a simple mold of the nose (before assembly) uing aluminum foil, placed that mold in sand, and cast a lead weight in the approximate shape of the nose interior.

Just my 2 cents...

Have fun !

 

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Posted by Geezer on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:17 AM

Some good tips, Putsie.

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Posted by Bossman on Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:42 PM

Just an alternative . . . 

Instead of "pushing" the nose down with weights from above, there are other ways you can "pull" the nose down from underneath.  It requires fixing the model to a base - but it doesnt have to be permanenty fixed.

One method is to drill a small diameter thru hole in a wooden base under the spot where the nose wheel will sit.  Then drill a larger diameter countersink hole on the underside of the base at least 1/8" deep or more.  String a loop of invisible thread through the hole from the bottom and wrap it over the nose wheel or through a hole in the landing gear.  Pull the thread down so that it pulls the wheel to the base.  While you're maintaining tension on the string from below, jam a toothpick in the hole and nip it off flush with the underside of the base.  If you want to remove it - just yank the toothpick out with a pair of pliers.

A second method that works well with larger kits (with beefier wheels) is to drill the same kindof hole in a base, then drill a deep countersink hole so that when a screw is inserted into the hole from below, the threads will stick above the top surface of the base.  Pre-drill a pilot hole in the bottom of the nose wheel and then turn the screw into the wheel, pulling it down to the base surface. 

One benefit of these methods is less stress from the weight on the landing gear - another is that you simply dont have to deal with squirreling away weights in every spare opening.

I've used both methods before.  They're easy and effective.

Hope that helps.  Good luck,

Chris

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Posted by philo426 on Sunday, May 8, 2016 7:50 AM

Intresting solutions thst I am sure will work.I prefer to add weight as aI do not affix my planes to a base.On my B-25 I had to make a new nose gear out of brass tubing due to the weight needed to prevent tail sitting.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Sunday, May 8, 2016 11:02 AM

Gamera

Well, as you said including them in the kit would increase the price. And if they sold them separtly they'd have to contract them out to another company, then package them, set up a whole stock-keeping and distribution system- I expect it would be a lot of work. Plus some companies stopped making lead figures and switched to pewter because some areas were so afraid some kid would swallow a chunk of lead that they banned stuff like this. 

There are aftermarket parts already, a net search found this guy:

http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/accessories/terrydeannoseweightsreviewbg_1.htm

Says 2007 on the link, no idea if he's still in business or not though. 

 

I do not think that he is still in business . I tried to  order nose weights from him for my 1/48 B-24 and received no response. He never replied to my e-mails either.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, May 8, 2016 8:40 PM

JohnnyK

 

 
Gamera

Well, as you said including them in the kit would increase the price. And if they sold them separtly they'd have to contract them out to another company, then package them, set up a whole stock-keeping and distribution system- I expect it would be a lot of work. Plus some companies stopped making lead figures and switched to pewter because some areas were so afraid some kid would swallow a chunk of lead that they banned stuff like this. 

There are aftermarket parts already, a net search found this guy:

http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/accessories/terrydeannoseweightsreviewbg_1.htm

Says 2007 on the link, no idea if he's still in business or not though. 

 

 

 

I do not think that he is still in business . I tried to  order nose weights from him for my 1/48 B-24 and received no response. He never replied to my e-mails either.

 

 

Sorry, figured it was a business this guy was running out of his basement/garage. Well, at least you did get a pile of useful advice from the other guys here, some of which I'm going to file away in the back of my brain for myself.

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Posted by Viejo on Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:33 PM

Bossman

Just an alternative . . . 

Instead of "pushing" the nose down with weights from above, there are other ways you can "pull" the nose down from underneath.  It requires fixing the model to a base - but it doesnt have to be permanenty fixed.

One method is to drill a small diameter thru hole in a wooden base under the spot where the nose wheel will sit.  Then drill a larger diameter countersink hole on the underside of the base at least 1/8" deep or more.  String a loop of invisible thread through the hole from the bottom and wrap it over the nose wheel or through a hole in the landing gear.  Pull the thread down so that it pulls the wheel to the base.  While you're maintaining tension on the string from below, jam a toothpick in the hole and nip it off flush with the underside of the base.  If you want to remove it - just yank the toothpick out with a pair of pliers.

A second method that works well with larger kits (with beefier wheels) is to drill the same kindof hole in a base, then drill a deep countersink hole so that when a screw is inserted into the hole from below, the threads will stick above the top surface of the base.  Pre-drill a pilot hole in the bottom of the nose wheel and then turn the screw into the wheel, pulling it down to the base surface. 

One benefit of these methods is less stress from the weight on the landing gear - another is that you simply dont have to deal with squirreling away weights in every spare opening.

I've used both methods before.  They're easy and effective.

Hope that helps.  Good luck,

Chris

 

 

 

What about a pair of rare earth magnets.  one in the front  wheel, the other countersunk  in the base.....

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