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B-24D Ploesti Raider Desert Sand "Pink" color mix?

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B-24D Ploesti Raider Desert Sand "Pink" color mix?
Posted by espins1 on Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:14 PM

Has anyone here ever done a B-24D Ploesti raider based out of Libya with the Desert Sand scheme?  I know it had a slightly pinkish hue to it, which I'm sure the hot desert sand and sun helped to make even pinker. 

I use Tamiya Acrylics and am guessing that XF59 Desert Yellow, with a bit of XF7 Flat Red and XF2 Flat White would do the trick.  Whistling [:-^]

What do you all think? 

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Posted by curtis remington on Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:32 PM
best suggestion i can give is to try and experiment.
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Posted by Persephones_Dream on Friday, June 01, 2007 2:39 AM

Years ago I built a model of the "Strawberry female dog" (a B-24) which had this pinkish paint scheme.  From documents I read back then, the paint was originally a desert sand, but the desert sun bleached the paint and turned it pink. This was not expected. The undercarriage was a pale sky grey as I remember.

There used to be pictures of this airplane around - I had several color closeups of it back then.  I used these pics to mix trial version of paint until I approximated this color.  I started with a very light sand color and added a hull red (not direct flat red or insignia red, more of a burnt red) until I got a color very similar to the pictures.  The model came out great...

Not sure of this helps but that's what I did.

-Ro

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Posted by shaun68 on Friday, June 01, 2007 3:06 AM

Xtracolour do the modern RAF Desert Sand/Pink (X031) as worn by GR1 Tornados in ODS - might be a reasonable starting point; for what it's worth the suggested FS match is 30279

Vallejo also do a USAAF Desert Pink (VP815) which was the one of the colours the British SAS LRDG used in North Africa to camo their Chev vehicles - might also be worth a thought

For my money, the xtracolour one looks closer to what the Lib would've been painted initially, as the LRDG colour is a bit too pinkish

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, June 01, 2007 11:08 AM
I wonder if I'd be better off laying down a basecoat of sand, and then lightly misting lighter and pinker shades, to break up the monotony of the solid color.  Basically adding the oxidizing and UV effects like a post-shade?

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Posted by Persephones_Dream on Friday, June 01, 2007 12:13 PM

When I posted my first message, above, I was half asleep!  LOL! 

What prompted me to build the Strawberry female dog was seeing it live at the Air Force Museum in Dayton when I was a kid.  The overall color is much closer to sand than pink, but it definitely has a pink tint to it.  Of course, this plane was *restored* so it might have looked a bit different prior to arriving at Dayton. The paint was also very uniform, not so variable over the surface.  Again, might be related to the restoration but it didn't look like it to my eye.

I was just looking at a few pictures I have from that visit to Dayton many years ago.  I would attempt a paint mix rather than a mist.  The more I think about it, the more certain I am now that I used a mixture of khaki and hull red to get my approximate color.

If you build one of these, post some pics!  I'd like to see the finished product! :)

-Ro

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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, June 01, 2007 1:40 PM

Here is a formula for WW II AAF Desert Pink.  I have never mixed it, so I don't know how accurate it is.  Also, the colors are for Pactra Paints, which has been bought by Testors.

25 parts white

1 part insignia yellow

2 parts insignia red

2 parts battleship grey

1 part international orange

3 parts flesh

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, June 01, 2007 3:50 PM

Ro - I think you're right, a mix is probably the best way to go.

Wayne - That's in interesting list of ingredients!  Shock [:O]  I may have to mix up a small batch and do a test shot, I'll let you know how it goes and post a pic. 

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Posted by Persephones_Dream on Friday, June 01, 2007 4:30 PM

So, are my posts being edited by a human or a machine?  The name the B-24 in question was not the "Strawberry Female Dog".  People need to get a serious grip on this PC thing.  We're talking about building models of actual history here. It's not something you can edit because you don't like the name - or think others won't approve.  Same goes with the swastika's on the German airplanes.  Maybe some won't like it - but, like I said, this is History people, get a grip! You can't change it simply because you don't like it.

-Ro

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, June 01, 2007 5:01 PM

hmmm... I was wondering why the e-mail alert I received had the correct name of the airplane, but the post had been changed to "female dog" by the time I looked at it. 

My goodness, that's taking political correctness a little too far. 

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, June 01, 2007 5:39 PM

 espins1 wrote:
My goodness, that's taking political correctness a little too far. 

Depends on who's reading it, and where. Is it something someone would want their kids to read? The rules for this forum are in place for a reason, one being it is extremely difficult to verify the age of every lurker and thusly restrict their access to these forums, so those in charge need to make a determination what is acceptable and what is not and stand by it...not a job I would want, being stuck between a "dammed if you do" or "dammed if you don't" faction.

The term in question does not bother me personally, but that's just me and my My 2 cents [2c] worth.

Mike

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, June 01, 2007 5:44 PM

It's all about context.  The word itself is not a bad word, used in the proper context.  The use of the word in question is part of the name of the plane.  If the term were being used to describe someone, or call someone names, then of course it's in violation.  Sigh [sigh]

If I were to build that plane, with the nose art and all, would I have to edit the photos to cover up the word before posting them?  Any kid can look at any WWII book or magazine with American planes in it and see those kinds of things i.e. noseart and racy names.  Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, June 01, 2007 5:58 PM

Pretty much what I said, Scott, but it's the mods who ultimately determine what said context is and act how they see fit. The name when first painted on the aircraft (especially considering the timeline) was done mostly for shock value (IMO). The mods need to determine whether or not a repetition of said term was done for the same reason or strickly for accuracy. Again, not a determination I would want to make.

I'm not defending the editing in as much as I'm trying to understand the reasons behind it.

Mike

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Posted by Midnight Storm on Friday, June 01, 2007 7:41 PM

Scott, when we were talking about the Strawberry yesturday I had the same thoughts going though my mind, do I post it with the word or not... will he know what I'm talking about if I don't? So I simply posted the word and I have not heard anything from the police yet.

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Posted by Fustercluck on Friday, June 01, 2007 8:22 PM

Getting back on topic, I built a Ploesti raider about 10 years ago, and I used the extracolor shade, but I think it was probably a little too pink, I would go for the custom mix.  Remember that the red is only what was in the tan to begin with, it just faded slower than the other colors.

Hope to see pictures of the completed model.... 

 

 

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Posted by Bossman on Friday, June 01, 2007 9:09 PM

Scott,

Here's how one man did it... 

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/kolb24.htm

It looks convincing to me. - but when you think about it - how would anyone really know how to accurately replicate this color that supposedly changed so much with radiation exposure ?   I say take your best shot and if it looks good to you - nobody will be able to argue.

Model On !

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Posted by crazygerman on Friday, June 01, 2007 9:27 PM
I'm working on a model of the Lady Be Good and require the same color, at the LHS today i saw a testors color called "Fifties Pink" the chip looked pretty close but i havn't bought it to try yet, just something to think about, it'll prolly look different on the model and the lighting isn't great in trains and lanes
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Posted by Persephones_Dream on Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:08 AM

Yes, this is taking Politcal Correctedness way too far!  Next thing you know, you won't be able to post pictures of your models because someone will claim the decals will offend someone else, regardless of the names used.

I showed my father this post.  He's 87 and a veteran of WWII, with a Purple Heart, who served two tours in the Pacific (and fought at Leyte Gulf, Guam, Tinian, Saipan, Iwo Jima and few other rather nasty places). His comment about it would definitely require the rewrite of a mod here.  Changing the expletives to PC friendly words:

"This kind of manure is NOT what we were fighting for!  At one time, the Rights of the Constitution and Amendments meant something to all of us.  Today, these young people trade their freedoms for this stupid political correctedness manure so they supposedly don't offend anyone. This kind of thing offends me and cheapens the ideals of all that we fought and died for."

-R

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Posted by AT6 on Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:29 AM
 If this pc garbage continues unabated, we may have to move to Cuba to find freedom of speech.
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Posted by shaun68 on Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:14 AM
 Bossman wrote:

Scott,

Here's how one man did it... 

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/kolb24.htm

It looks convincing to me. - but when you think about it - how would anyone really know how to accurately replicate this color that supposedly changed so much with radiation exposure ?   I say take your best shot and if it looks good to you - nobody will be able to argue.

Model On !

Chris

Yep, this colour (ANA 616) is matched against FS 30279 on IPMSStockholm, which is also the match given against xtracolour's X031 - the paint used by the RAF for ODS GR1 Tornado's & Lynx helo's. Phew, it seems like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, as I spent an eternity a wee while ago, trying to research this colour for one of the planes in the Hasgawa P-40N kit - some of this info wasn't linking up then with google

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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM
 Persephones_Dream wrote:

Yes, this is taking Politcal Correctedness way too far!  Next thing you know, you won't be able to post pictures of your models because someone will claim the decals will offend someone else, regardless of the names used.

I showed my father this post.  He's 87 and a veteran of WWII, with a Purple Heart, who served two tours in the Pacific (and fought at Leyte Gulf, Guam, Tinian, Saipan, Iwo Jima and few other rather nasty places). His comment about it would definitely require the rewrite of a mod here.  Changing the expletives to PC friendly words:

"This kind of manure is NOT what we were fighting for!  At one time, the Rights of the Constitution and Amendments meant something to all of us.  Today, these young people trade their freedoms for this stupid political correctedness manure so they supposedly don't offend anyone. This kind of thing offends me and cheapens the ideals of all that we fought and died for."

-R

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Let your father know that there are still some Americans who feel the way he does. 

I understand the need to keep the forums civil and within the guidelines of normal human decency, but come on..... Sigh [sigh]  

Anyway, thanks for all the helpful info guys.  I'm going to experiment with some various mixes and let you know which way I decide to go.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:59 PM
Hey, go take a look at the engine cowl from the Lady Be Good at the USAFMuseum or Museum of the U.S.Air Force or whatwever its called these days and look at the remains of that original Desert Pink paint and figure it out. Geeze do I have to think of everything ? Oh yeah its right next to the Strawberry bow wow. Hey when my folks showed me that B-24D when I was a kid at the old Air Force Museum, they didn't cover my eyes when we walked by the nose. I was six or fiveish. Geepers I turned out alright. If  my ole man who faught in the Battle of the Bulge was still around, he would get a kick out of the PC stuff or might just get sick to his stomach.
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Posted by espins1 on Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:04 PM
I don't suppose anyone has any good color pics of that plane do they?  I am going to make it to the USAF Museum at Wright Patterson one of these days.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:39 AM

Hey guys, based on a couple of PMs, it appears that the 2nd word in "Strawberry B**ch" is being changed by some sort of automated program, which obviously can't distinguish context.  In that light, it's not that big of a deal that the word was changed.

Anyway, I have received several pics and now have some to "aim" at while coming up with my mix.  Thanks guys. 

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Posted by Midnight Storm on Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:44 PM

Here ya go!

 

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Posted by espins1 on Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:50 PM
Nice pics Eddie!  In your estimation, how close is the color of the photos to what it looked like in person?  Smile [:)]

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Posted by Midnight Storm on Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:01 PM

Close to the first photo of the entire aircraft.

 When I've seen it, she was inside. The photos I have are just a tiny bit lighter then that first photo as well.

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:42 AM

Thanks for all the input gentlemen.  Smile [:)]

I scored!  I ordered the some Ploesti Raider decals (limited run, only 300) from Meteor Productions and they still had some in stock!  They arrived on my doorstep yesterday afternoon!  Woo Hoo!!!!  Approve [^]

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Posted by winged prop on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM

Hi Scott,

I assume from your thread that you're planning to build Brian Flavelle's ill-fated Wongo Wongo and if so, you'll be OK with that sheet. The rest of the sheet as originally printed was pretty much worthless as 42-40743 was not the serial for Fightin' Sam but I was told they later included a correction for that. Also, Fightin' Sam (42-40506) was NOT Tom Conroy's Ploesti a/c contrary to the claims made by the researcher.

 

Pat

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:24 AM
 winged prop wrote:

Hi Scott,

I assume from your thread that you're planning to build Brian Flavelle's ill-fated Wongo Wongo and if so, you'll be OK with that sheet. The rest of the sheet as originally printed was pretty much worthless as 42-40743 was not the serial for Fightin' Sam but I was told they later included a correction for that. Also, Fightin' Sam (42-40506) was NOT Tom Conroy's Ploesti a/c contrary to the claims made by the researcher.

 

Pat

Thanks for the info Pat.  I want to do mine as a desert sand (pink) Ploesti raider, so I'm going to build Wongo Wongo  Cool [8D]

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