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The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

  • Wish I had ordered the nuke Bullpups....Wink

  • Here is how the two pods will look.  The top picture is of the AN/ALQ-87 ECM pods and the second is the AN/ALQ101 ECM pod.

     

    Berny

     Phormer Phantom Phixer

    On the bench

    TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

    Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

    Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

     

  • Thanks Berny.  I got Hasegawa Weapons kit B for the ALQ-101 pods it had.  I think we almost have everything ready to start building.  We can worry about the ordinance and ECM pods when they get here. I pilfered the missiles out of a couple of my other kits.  so we should have everything there.  I think you are going to like this one.  One other question.  Where did you find the shark mouth on the kit you built?  I can't find one that's a match for it and I was wondering which kit it came with or did you get it with some AM decals?

    Rich

     

    berny13

    Here is how the two pods will look.  The top picture is of the AN/ALQ-87 ECM pods and the second is the AN/ALQ101 ECM pod.

     

    In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

    On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • Sparrowhyperion

    Thanks Berny.  I got Hasegawa Weapons kit B for the ALQ-101 pods it had.  I think we almost have everything ready to start building.  We can worry about the ordinance and ECM pods when they get here. I pilfered the missiles out of a couple of my other kits.  so we should have everything there.  I think you are going to like this one.  One other question.  Where did you find the shark mouth on the kit you built?  I can't find one that's a match for it and I was wondering which kit it came with or did you get it with some AM decals?

    Rich

     

    berny13:

    Here is how the two pods will look.  The top picture is of the AN/ALQ-87 ECM pods and the second is the AN/ALQ101 ECM pod.

     

     

    The shark mouth came from AM decals.  I built the kit over fifteen years ago so I couldn't tell you which decals they were.  Are you sure the Hasagawa Weapons kit B has the ALQ-101 pod?  The ones I have seen have the ALQ-87, ALQ-119 and ALQ-131 ECM pods.  The only source I know of for the ALQ-101 pod is in the Monogram F-4C/D kit in 1/48 scale.  Fujimi had a lump of plastic in their F-4 kit which was quoted by several sources as being a 101 pod but it did not look anything like any ECM pod I have ever seen. 

    Berny

     Phormer Phantom Phixer

    On the bench

    TF-102A Delta Dagger, 32nd FIS, 54-1370, 1/48 scale. Monogram Pro Modeler with C&H conversion.  

    Revell F-4E Phantom II 33rd TFW, 58th TFS, 69-260, 1/32 scale. 

    Tamiya F-4D Phantom II, 13th TFS, 66-8711, 1/32 scale.  F-4 Phantom Group Build. 

     

  • I stand corrected.  You were right, it has 2 ALQ87s.

    Here is whats in the kit.

     

    contains AGM-12B x 4, AGM-12C x 2, AGM-62A x 2, GBU-8 x 4, GBU-10 x 2, GBU-12 x 4, AIM-54 x 4, LAU-3 x 6, LAU-10 x 4, Pave Spike Pod x 2, ALG-131 x 2, ALQ-119 x 2, ALQ-87 x 2, PAVE Knike Pod x 2, AERO 5A-1 Launcher x 4, 2x Sparrow adaptor for F-4, Ter x2 and all the decals

    In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

    On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • Hmmm..  I just realized I have that F4 C/D kit, but I didn't see any ECM pods in it. I'll check again.

     

    berny13

     

    Sparrowhyperion:

     

    Thanks Berny.  I got Hasegawa Weapons kit B for the ALQ-101 pods it had.  I think we almost have everything ready to start building.  We can worry about the ordinance and ECM pods when they get here. I pilfered the missiles out of a couple of my other kits.  so we should have everything there.  I think you are going to like this one.  One other question.  Where did you find the shark mouth on the kit you built?  I can't find one that's a match for it and I was wondering which kit it came with or did you get it with some AM decals?

    Rich

     

     

    berny13:

    Here is how the two pods will look.  The top picture is of the AN/ALQ-87 ECM pods and the second is the AN/ALQ101 ECM pod.

     

     

     

     

     

    The shark mouth came from AM decals.  I built the kit over fifteen years ago so I couldn't tell you which decals they were.  Are you sure the Hasagawa Weapons kit B has the ALQ-101 pod?  The ones I have seen have the ALQ-87, ALQ-119 and ALQ-131 ECM pods.  The only source I know of for the ALQ-101 pod is in the Monogram F-4C/D kit in 1/48 scale.  Fujimi had a lump of plastic in their F-4 kit which was quoted by several sources as being a 101 pod but it did not look anything like any ECM pod I have ever seen. 

    In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

    On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • Bockscar

     

    jimbot58:

     

    It seems that model building is a lesson in problem solving: Before I got too carried away with painting the bottom of the 'Geasel', I needed to think about the ALQ-119 pod to be mounted in the LH forward Sparrow bay. Naturally, the Hasegawa kit doesn't provide any underwing stores, so I had to get one of their add-on weapons kits to obtain one. (Same with the required AGM missiles) The other problem was the pylon for the pod! They don't provide that either! I knew I would likely have to scratch one, but I didn't know what it looked like.

    I came up with an alternative: The Italeri kit in my stash has a "G" option and provides both the pod and the pylon! The part in question is already mounted to its pylon, but like the rest of the kit, details are 'soft', poorly done, with ejector pin marks deeply embedded in the side. The pylon would be usable though.

    Cutting off the locater pins from the bottom, I cemented the whole piece into the bay, using the other kit part as a guide:

     

    The Hasegawa part that will be used is held there by a bit of tape for comparison.

    Once set, I cut away the crappy Italeri pod, leaving the two tiny rods that where the new one will mount (hard to see with my stupid camera, I know!). How I will mount it securely will be a problem for another day, but maybe some brass wires drilled in may be the answer:

    Hopefully, it will someday look somewhat like this:

    As always, sorry for the quality of my pictures, I wish I had a better camera.....

    Also I would mention that after examination of the Italeri kit with its raised panel lines, poor fit, lots of ejector pin marks in all the wrong places, and lack of decent detail issues, I decided this kit is fair game for savaging parts, including the decals that will go to the Hasegawa 'Geasel'! No intentions to ever build it.

     

     

    Rich, I found Jim's post, not really sure what those are either, but it may help. That's back on Page 62.

    Rich, Bockscar: Sources I have found generally call for the AN/ALQ-119 pod to be carried by the "G". I understand there were others used as well, bu it is what I went with.

    I ended up scratching a pylon to carry it as the Italeri part I intended to use was about a billion miles from even being close to correct. I have a Fujimi F-4 that had the pod and mount and used them as a guide to build one, using stock pieces of styrene and then used sway braces from an old Hasegawa F-15 kit that got scrapped. I had to narrow those down by slicing a piece from the middle and cementing them back together. If you can be a bit patient, I will see if I can get a decent photo of it.  I just got home from a 14 hour work and then go take care of Mom day and don't feel a lot like hobby work at the moment. I might have to use what's left of my day to do that one thing..... What is it called again? Oh, yeah! Sleep!

    Jim

     

     

    *******

    On my workbench now:

    "Second Annual Berny Memorial Build"

    1/72nd scale Hasegawa E\A-18G Growler

  • Jim.  I'm doing an E version,  A very specific plane.  Berny listed the weapons and stores as only using an ALG87 or ALQ101.  I found a bunch of images on the net of the 101 which looks very close to the one you are using.  I looked in my Monogram/Revell F4-C/D kit but there were not any ECM pods in it.  I did order the Hasegawa B weapons kit that has a couple of 87s though.  I suppose they will be just as good as using the 101s.  The only issue I am having now is that there is a minute difference in the wing pylons for the AIM9s and AIM7s I will be using and the ones Made by Hasegawa.  So there will be some minor surgery involved.  It shouldn't be very major though.

    Rich

    In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

    On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • just a couple of "steerage inputs",,,,,,the ALQ-101s that you are seeing that look like -119s are late mod updates to the -101 pods,,,,,the kind you are after are the round ones without that gondola hanging from the bottom, like Berny's drawing

    you probably have a ton of "nuke bullpups" in your stores box,,,the AGM-12D looked just like the AGM-12B that is included in Skyhawk and F-100 kits,,,,,,,the stripes are different, but the bodies look almost the same,,,,,,,,those huge AGM-12C Bullpups with the large wings, are not the nukes, they are just a larger conventional explosives version ,,,,,,,,,granted, they look like "they should be the nuclear ones", but, they're just HE

    hth

    Rex

     

    One of each Navy squadron in the USN??,,,, yeah

    http://hangardeckview.blogspot.com/

  • Thanks for the info.  I did find one of the ALQ101s in my testors kit, but it's nasty.  We ought to write up a list of AM stuff that we always need and can never find and get about a billion people to email the list to all of the larger AM manufacturers. LOL  Like a set of METAL hinges for the darn 1/32 Revell F4U Corsair...

    Rich

     

    TarnShip

    just a couple of "steerage inputs",,,,,,the ALQ-101s that you are seeing that look like -119s are late mod updates to the -101 pods,,,,,the kind you are after are the round ones without that gondola hanging from the bottom, like Berny's drawing

    you probably have a ton of "nuke bullpups" in your stores box,,,the AGM-12D looked just like the AGM-12B that is included in Skyhawk and F-100 kits,,,,,,,the stripes are different, but the bodies look almost the same,,,,,,,,those huge AGM-12C Bullpups with the large wings, are not the nukes, they are just a larger conventional explosives version ,,,,,,,,,granted, they look like "they should be the nuclear ones", but, they're just HE

    hth

    Rex

     

    In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

    On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

  • I know this is a long shot, but does anybody happen to have any 1/48 Monogram Phantom II extra canopies around?  Parts 80 - 84.  I just got a kit from E-bay, and its missing the canopies.  I've looked for A/M vacu-form canopies and have had no luck yet.  Any ideas, anybody?

    Thanks,

    John

  • John, I'm pretty sure I have some laying around.  I've got a junkyard of sorts for that kit.

    I'll send you a message when I'll find something.

    Ish

  • Ish47guy

    John, I'm pretty sure I have some laying around.  I've got a junkyard of sorts for that kit.

    I'll send you a message when I'll find something.

    Ish

    Ish,

    Thanks!  I'll be looking forward to your message.  Thanks again!

    John

  • TarnShip

    just a couple of "steerage inputs",,,,,,the ALQ-101s that you are seeing that look like -119s are late mod updates to the -101 pods,,,,,the kind you are after are the round ones without that gondola hanging from the bottom, like Berny's drawing

    you probably have a ton of "nuke bullpups" in your stores box,,,the AGM-12D looked just like the AGM-12B that is included in Skyhawk and F-100 kits,,,,,,,the stripes are different, but the bodies look almost the same,,,,,,,,those huge AGM-12C Bullpups with the large wings, are not the nukes, they are just a larger conventional explosives version ,,,,,,,,,granted, they look like "they should be the nuclear ones", but, they're just HE

    hth

    Rex

    Thanks Rex;

    Yeah it just goes to show you, how small stuff became, I remember seeing the little Davey Crocket battle field nuke, man, now that's what i cal a firecracker!

    Okay, I like blowing stuff up,.....but only the bad guys......Whistling

     

  • Sparrowhyperion

    Jim.  I'm doing an E version,  A very specific plane.  Berny listed the weapons and stores as only using an ALG87 or ALQ101.  I found a bunch of images on the net of the 101 which looks very close to the one you are using.  I looked in my Monogram/Revell F4-C/D kit but there were not any ECM pods in it.  I did order the Hasegawa B weapons kit that has a couple of 87s though.  I suppose they will be just as good as using the 101s.  The only issue I am having now is that there is a minute difference in the wing pylons for the AIM9s and AIM7s I will be using and the ones Made by Hasegawa.  So there will be some minor surgery involved.  It shouldn't be very major though.

    Rich

    My bad! I was days behind on reading posts and sort of skimmed through them. I just saw the reference to my post and assumed you were working on a "G". I can use the info, though as there is an "E" in my stash that needs to be done someday!

    Jim

    *******

    On my workbench now:

    "Second Annual Berny Memorial Build"

    1/72nd scale Hasegawa E\A-18G Growler