The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Got some more done over the weekend.

R.I.P. Berny!

Son Of Medicine Man

Hello everyone (again),

After reviewing several posts by Berny it soon became apparent that Berny liked building EVERYTHING!  He built cars, armour, and aircraft.  And he did not just build U.S. Air Force aircraft.  He also built U.S. Navy and even Migs!

So I would suggest that we do not make a list.  I think the best memorial build for Berny would make it so that everyone can just build what ever their heart desires!  I think Berny would like it that way.  And no matter what, we just have fun!

Berny's birthday was February 22nd.  So I say let's put the word out that coming this February, pick out your favorite kit and get set to have fun!

Ken

I may have a bit of 'finishing' to do on my F-4P (P is for 'putty'!)...also....F-102, OOTB this time 'round......

SOMM -- sounds like a plan. Wide variety? What do others think? I'm cool with it, for sure.

Okay, February 22nd for starting the memorial build, and Rhinos III can kick off of January 1st -- sounds about right?

Cheers, Mike

Son Of Medicine Man

Greetings phellow Phantom builders,

I wish to give a big thank you to the following persons for contributing money for Berny's flowers:

Rich (aka Sparrowhyperion)

Dom (aka Bockscar)

Bill (aka Bgrigg)

Omar (aka oortiz10)

Jim (aka fox)

Also I wanted to give praise to Rich and Dom for working together an coming up with the t-shirt. For those of you who did not see it, here is a picture:

 

 

Berny liked this shirt so much that his wife is going to have it buried with him. It is really great that you two did this for him.

Berny's viewing is this evening and he will have a full military funeral tomorrow.

Ken

Hello everyone (again),

After reviewing several posts by Berny it soon became apparent that Berny liked building EVERYTHING!  He built cars, armour, and aircraft.  And he did not just build U.S. Air Force aircraft.  He also built U.S. Navy and even Migs!

So I would suggest that we do not make a list.  I think the best memorial build for Berny would make it so that everyone can just build what ever their heart desires!  I think Berny would like it that way.  And no matter what, we just have fun!

Berny's birthday was February 22nd.  So I say let's put the word out that coming this February, pick out your favorite kit and get set to have fun!

Ken

Greetings phellow Phantom builders,

I wish to give a big thank you to the following persons for contributing money for Berny's flowers:

Rich (aka Sparrowhyperion)

Dom (aka Bockscar)

Bill (aka Bgrigg)

Omar (aka oortiz10)

Jim (aka fox)

Also I wanted to give praise to Rich and Dom for working together an coming up with the t-shirt. For those of you who did not see it, here is a picture:

Berny liked this shirt so much that his wife is going to have it buried with him. It is really great that you two did this for him.

Berny's viewing is this evening and he will have a full military funeral tomorrow.

Ken

jimbot58

I guess I'm bored, but I found a few 'Berny' facts:

Berny13 joined this forum on Feb 12, 2003 introducing himself as Bill from Panama City. His next post came the next day when he responded to another member looking for reference material on an F-101 Voodoo. Over 4,700 posts later, his final post was on the 16th of this month where he responded to a question from Bockscar about his helmet. I have been looking through these old posts as there is agold mine of info in them. I am also looking for some info about the F-105 that he offered as advice to another member.

Hard to believe it was only 10 days ago he made his final post.

Does anybody know what the "13" is about in his nickname?

Phil_H

Berny's obituary notice may be read here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsherald/obituary.aspx?n=bill-c-bernhardt&pid=153836745&fhid=7495

It's a shame that whoever took this cut off hal of the bird on the lower left edge of the image.  That other one will come in handy for the badge I am working on if I can "tighten" the formation up in the badge.  I also contacted the Museum in Dayton and explained the situation to them and asked if they had  any good images of Phantoms in the MMF, or if they could point me to a source.  I am waiting to hear back from them.

Rich

jimbot58

One more:

I had another but it was marked with a copyright. I tried finding a video of Phantoms doing "Missing Man" but bombed out on that.

R.I.P. Berny!

P.S. Whatever you guys decide on a build honoring Berny is fine, however I might still be interested in another F-4 build next year-there are still 3 (possibly joined by a 4th?) Phantoms in my stash and the F-4F I seem to be making little progress on.

 

Berny's obituary notice may be read here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsherald/obituary.aspx?n=bill-c-bernhardt&pid=153836745&fhid=7495

I guess I'm bored, but I found a few 'Berny' facts:

Berny13 joined this forum on Feb 12, 2003 introducing himself as Bill from Panama City. His next post came the next day when he responded to another member looking for reference material on an F-101 Voodoo. Over 4,700 posts later, his final post was on the 16th of this month where he responded to a question from Bockscar about his helmet. I have been looking through these old posts as there is agold mine of info in them. I am also looking for some info about the F-105 that he offered as advice to another member.

Hard to believe it was only 10 days ago he made his final post.

Does anybody know what the "13" is about in his nickname?

I too was away for the weekend and although it was expected, I was deeply saddened by the news of Bernies passing. My thoughts and prayers go to his family and R.I.P. Bernie.

I agree with the idea of a list of aircraft that Bernie liked and worked on and we can pick from the list for a memorial build

Steve

One more:

I had another but it was marked with a copyright. I tried finding a video of Phantoms doing "Missing Man" but bombed out on that.

R.I.P. Berny!

P.S. Whatever you guys decide on a build honoring Berny is fine, however I might still be interested in another F-4 build next year-there are still 3 (possibly joined by a 4th?) Phantoms in my stash and the F-4F I seem to be making little progress on.

I did manage to find one photo for Berny:

Bockscar

 

Thunderbolt379:

 

I'd also vote for the open selection among Berny's types, that would keep interest high with variety, and a full year sounds good. I can already see an F-111 on the horizon...

M/TB379

 

Shish q' bob Mike....

 

Berny said that the field guys hated the F-111....something about the landing gear interfereing.....sorry my memory is so bad......all I can remember right now is that the gear messed up sumthin' important.....he made me take a picture of it, I'll check with Ken, maybe I can figure it out.....

mind you, I have at least 2 F-111's on the horizon.....i stilllll like that aircraft.....very cool....wish I had one in 1/32 or even better, 1/24......need a new house.......lol.....

 

I have been out a few days due to loss of my internet for a period of time and the fact that my job decided to move our operations 8 miles down the road into our new owners building. I return to find the news of Berny's passing as I expected but still makes me very sad. Many of you knew him much better than I did, as I never met him before this group build.

I admired him because of the way he accepted the news of his illness and was more concerned about how his family would take it rather than of himself. He still kept on building when he could and taking time to meet you all on that trip. A very unique individual. I still sit here thinking about questions I would ask him but.....

As to the F-111: I know that a couple of things crews disliked about the Aardvark was that main gear door was also the speed brake, and when the gear was retracted, the door folded forward causing a lot of drag at the time when you needed it least; During take-off!

You can see that here:

F-11 Youtube

There is also something about the fact that part of the aft door (the part attached to the gear itself) door had to be partially cut off as it interfered with the fuselage. Most later versions had this and there was a gap there even when the gear was fully retracted and doors closed. You can read it and see that here:

F-111.net

That is also a cool website about the F-111-it's one of my favorite planes! Perhaps these issues may be what Berny mentioned about it?

An FB-111A, aircraft #68-0287 is on display here in Colorado at the Wings Over The Rockies Museum. I have visited it and an F-4E also on display there often! Not as impressive as the museum in Dayton, but some unique and interesting displays there.

My thoughts and wishes for the family and friends of Berny. I hope he watching over us as we continue to work on these projects.

ken PM inbound

Thunderbolt379

I'd also vote for the open selection among Berny's types, that would keep interest high with variety, and a full year sounds good. I can already see an F-111 on the horizon...

M/TB379

Berny said that the field guys hated the F-111....something about the landing gear interfereing.....sorry my memory is so bad......all I can remember right now is that the gear messed up sumthin' important.....he made me take a picture of it, I'll check with Ken, maybe I can figure it out.....

mind you, I have at least 2 F-111's on the horizon.....i stilllll like that aircraft.....very cool....wish I had one in 1/32 or even better, 1/24......need a new house.......lol.....

I concur.  After more thought, the build should be kept with Berny as the focus.  So instead of voting on a particular aircraft, each participant selecting from an established list would be the best.  Also it should be kept light, with the most important aspect of having fun!

Ken

I'd also vote for the open selection among Berny's types, that would keep interest high with variety, and a full year sounds good. I can already see an F-111 on the horizon...

M/TB379

Sparrowhyperion

Works for me.  I'll handle all the artwork.  We could pick one specific aircraft from the list, or we could just let everyone build any aircraft from the list you compile.    That might spice it up a bit and would be my suggestion..

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

 

Thunderbolt379:

 

Hi guys,

Right, there's a lot more to work with here, and some good ideas. I'd rather not rename the Phantom builds in perpetuity, but I'm very happy to have this one be part of the commemoration, particularly as it was the last GB Bernie himself participated it. Also, as Bernie worked on a wide range of aircraft, I think it's a terrific idea that we should have an ongoing "Bernhardt Memorial Group Build" dedicated to his aircraft types and interests. We could also cycle through hosting/admin turn and turn about, and I'd sure be in it!

What format would you like for the new GB? Six months or a year? We'd need a full list of types he worked on and his interests, so we can set the possible range of thematic material, and of course we'd need a really terrific crest for the whole thing. Beginning on his birthday in February, of course!

Cheers, Mike

 

 

My vote would be for a full year, and then every year we would vote on the next aircraft.  I can start compiling a list as I have been reading through his posts starting with the very first one on February 12, 2003.  Of course it will take a while to go through them all since he had 4,706 posts all together!

Ken

 

 

Works for me.  I'll handle all the artwork.  We could pick one specific aircraft from the list, or we could just let everyone build any aircraft from the list you compile.    That might spice it up a bit and would be my suggestion..

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Thunderbolt379:

 

Hi guys,

Right, there's a lot more to work with here, and some good ideas. I'd rather not rename the Phantom builds in perpetuity, but I'm very happy to have this one be part of the commemoration, particularly as it was the last GB Bernie himself participated it. Also, as Bernie worked on a wide range of aircraft, I think it's a terrific idea that we should have an ongoing "Bernhardt Memorial Group Build" dedicated to his aircraft types and interests. We could also cycle through hosting/admin turn and turn about, and I'd sure be in it!

What format would you like for the new GB? Six months or a year? We'd need a full list of types he worked on and his interests, so we can set the possible range of thematic material, and of course we'd need a really terrific crest for the whole thing. Beginning on his birthday in February, of course!

Cheers, Mike

 

 

My vote would be for a full year, and then every year we would vote on the next aircraft.  I can start compiling a list as I have been reading through his posts starting with the very first one on February 12, 2003.  Of course it will take a while to go through them all since he had 4,706 posts all together!

Ken

Thunderbolt379

Hi guys,

Right, there's a lot more to work with here, and some good ideas. I'd rather not rename the Phantom builds in perpetuity, but I'm very happy to have this one be part of the commemoration, particularly as it was the last GB Bernie himself participated it. Also, as Bernie worked on a wide range of aircraft, I think it's a terrific idea that we should have an ongoing "Bernhardt Memorial Group Build" dedicated to his aircraft types and interests. We could also cycle through hosting/admin turn and turn about, and I'd sure be in it!

What format would you like for the new GB? Six months or a year? We'd need a full list of types he worked on and his interests, so we can set the possible range of thematic material, and of course we'd need a really terrific crest for the whole thing. Beginning on his birthday in February, of course!

Cheers, Mike

My vote would be for a full year, and then every year we would vote on the next aircraft.  I can start compiling a list as I have been reading through his posts starting with the very first one on February 12, 2003.  Of course it will take a while to go through them all since he had 4,706 posts all together!

Ken

Sounds like a plan.  I'd say a year.  Some of us end up hip deep in builds and it can take a while.  As for the Crest.  I'll take care of that.  I'm already at work on one.  I don't know all the types that Berny worked on, but To make it simple, why not make it for any jet fighter aircraft from the last year of Korea, to the last year of Vietnam.  And only USAF birds.  That should cover most of his interests.

Rich

Thunderbolt379

Hi guys,

Right, there's a lot more to work with here, and some good ideas. I'd rather not rename the Phantom builds in perpetuity, but I'm very happy to have this one be part of the commemoration, particularly as it was the last GB Bernie himself participated it. Also, as Bernie worked on a wide range of aircraft, I think it's a terrific idea that we should have an ongoing "Bernhardt Memorial Group Build" dedicated to his aircraft types and interests. We could also cycle through hosting/admin turn and turn about, and I'd sure be in it!

What format would you like for the new GB? Six months or a year? We'd need a full list of types he worked on and his interests, so we can set the possible range of thematic material, and of course we'd need a really terrific crest for the whole thing. Beginning on his birthday in February, of course!

Cheers, Mike

Hi guys,

Right, there's a lot more to work with here, and some good ideas. I'd rather not rename the Phantom builds in perpetuity, but I'm very happy to have this one be part of the commemoration, particularly as it was the last GB Bernie himself participated it. Also, as Bernie worked on a wide range of aircraft, I think it's a terrific idea that we should have an ongoing "Bernhardt Memorial Group Build" dedicated to his aircraft types and interests. We could also cycle through hosting/admin turn and turn about, and I'd sure be in it!

What format would you like for the new GB? Six months or a year? We'd need a full list of types he worked on and his interests, so we can set the possible range of thematic material, and of course we'd need a really terrific crest for the whole thing. Beginning on his birthday in February, of course!

Cheers, Mike

The reason I thought it would be a good idea to rename this one, as the first, was that it was the last one Berny was able to directly participate in.

Bockscar

 

Thunderbolt379:

 

Rufio -- from the 80s? The Ka kits were tooled in the late 80s, I believe, and those molds are the standard to this day, however you might have an older tooling. The signature for telling them apart is the panel lines, raised = older, engraved = modern standard.

SAR -- you raise a good point. Just to be clear, guys, are we talking about commemorating Bernie by renaming the current GB (which is what I thought we were doing and announced on page 1 yesterday) or by making Rhinos III the commemoration, next year?

Concensus please!

Cheers, Mike

 

Mike:

 

By all rights, this is your GB. I see it as the starting point and sponsor of Berny's commemorative F-4 GB. I'm not sure how the new GB is going to look, Rich has some ideas, but you set the corner stone. I'll leave it up to Rich and you figure out what the commemorative should be called, and I'll happily support the new GB moving forward.

I think Rich was echoing the idea that this GB should be dedicated to Berny, and that we could strike a new perpetuity GB in his honour moving forward. I'm not going to be a sticking point either way, but this GB is historic in its own way.

Thunderbolt379

Rufio -- from the 80s? The Ka kits were tooled in the late 80s, I believe, and those molds are the standard to this day, however you might have an older tooling. The signature for telling them apart is the panel lines, raised = older, engraved = modern standard.

Cheers, Mike

i take it back, the box says 2004 on it. i got confused with the other kits i have, i have a monogram f-4 thats from 1979

Thunderbolt379

Rufio -- from the 80s? The Ka kits were tooled in the late 80s, I believe, and those molds are the standard to this day, however you might have an older tooling. The signature for telling them apart is the panel lines, raised = older, engraved = modern standard.

SAR -- you raise a good point. Just to be clear, guys, are we talking about commemorating Bernie by renaming the current GB (which is what I thought we were doing and announced on page 1 yesterday) or by making Rhinos III the commemoration, next year?

Concensus please!

Cheers, Mike

By all rights, this is your GB. I see it as the starting point and sponsor of Berny's commemorative F-4 GB. I'm not sure how the new GB is going to look, Rich has some ideas, but you set the corner stone. I'll leave it up to Rich and you figure out what the commemorative should be called, and I'll happily support the new GB moving forward.

I think Rich was echoing the idea that this GB should be dedicated to Berny, and that we could strike a new perpetuity GB in his honour moving forward. I'm not going to be a sticking point either way, but this GB is historic in its own way.

Thunderbolt379

Rufio -- from the 80s? The Ka kits were tooled in the late 80s, I believe, and those molds are the standard to this day, however you might have an older tooling. The signature for telling them apart is the panel lines, raised = older, engraved = modern standard.

SAR -- you raise a good point. Just to be clear, guys, are we talking about commemorating Bernie by renaming the current GB (which is what I thought we were doing and announced on page 1 yesterday) or by making Rhinos III the commemoration, next year?

Concensus please!

Cheers, Mike

Hi MIke,

Here is my two cents worth.  Berny was very proud of the F-4, but he was also a crew chief on the F-102 and the F-111.  He also liked some of the Korean War aircraft like the F-84E.  I would suggest that everyone who would like to participate in a build to honor Berny be able to vote at the beginning of each build on which aircraft to model.  I do have several versions of the F-4 that I want to build, but I know I would get burned out after a while of only building F-4s without a change.

Ken

I also have another idea.  if we could get one of the mods to talk to the site owners, and see if we couldn't have them collect all of the posts Berny made with practical info on kits in general and F4s in particular and maybe create a permanent thread of those.  Then all of the knowledge he imparted to folks wouldn't be lost.

Sparrowhyperion

I would rename this one as the first annual, and then keep the new name for all of the annual F4 builds that follow.

I would rename this one as the first annual, and then keep the new name for all of the annual F4 builds that follow.