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Prototype Aircraft GB
Posted by PaperPanzer on Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:15 PM

I have an interest in aircraft that reached prototypical stage and may have even taken- albeit short- war careers. Obviously, a majority of this group would contain late- WW2 prototypes, and most of them German.

This is my first attempt at hosting a group build... first time for everything!Smile

The rules are simple- any scale, any manufacturer. It must have gone to prototype stage and/ or taken some short combat action. (for example, the Me 262 would not count because it took a small part in WW2. A Volksjager fighter would be applicable because only a few combat missions were ever recorded.) Kits must be very lightly started- 10- 15% or not at all. You can build it out of the box or add as much as you want. Crossovers okay!

I intend to build a Revell Do. 335 nightfighter prototype in 1/48 scale. 

credit to Ninetalis for the badge-

Please list the manufacturer, scale, and type of aircraft you intend to build. Multiple builds are allowed. You can paint them in any scheme you want- they never really took part in action so it's up to you.

Start date is May 2012- March 2013- *This date may change without notice*

On the roster-

PaperPanzer- Revell Do. 335 1/48/ Finished! Pg.7

Helo H-34- Anigrand Martin XB-51 1/72

TREYZX10R- Czech Model Me 309 1/48/ 1st Finished! Pg.4

 -and- Ertl XB-70 Valkyrie 1/72/ Finished! Pg.7

-and- Pro-Modeler TA-154A-O 1/48/ Finished! Pg.10

M9130- PM Model Horten Ho. 229 1/72

waynec- Special Hobby Me. 264 V1 1/72

bish- Huma Triebflugel 1/72/ Finished! Pg.11

TAXTP- Tamiya Aichi M6A1- K Nanzan 1/72

Happy building guys! YesBig Smile

Remember- we all like pictures!

Auctung! Panzer!

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, May 5, 2012 8:20 AM

I've had my eye on the 1/72 Anigrand Martin XB-51 kit for a while now and I just ordered one from Hannants in the UK ...  http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ANIG7235

I'm not sure if this aircraft qualifies for the GB as I think only two prototypes were produced and the XB-51 eventually lost out to the BAC/EE Canberra in a fly-off and Martin built those under license as the B-57 .

Let me know what you think ?

John .

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Saturday, May 5, 2012 1:09 PM

Are there any noticeable differences between them? If so then it could be easily identified from the other. If they don't, then they may have been painted differently... maybe make it real obvious that it's a Anigrand Martin XB-51 if they appear too similar ?

-To make a long story short, I won't turn you down.Wink

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:42 PM

Would the Me309 qualify? If so I've got a 1/48 Czech kit and would like to join in. cheers Trey

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:54 PM

TREYZX10R: A quick read on Wikipedia, your in! Love to see it in a German battle camouflage as if it was in use. Have fun with the kit!

- By the way, what is the manufacturer?

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Saturday, May 5, 2012 6:10 PM

Thanks Paperpanzer its the Czech kit

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Posted by M9130 on Sunday, May 6, 2012 12:08 AM

  I am a new modeler and have been considering joining a group build.  Would a Curtiss R3C-2 count?  (This is the plane built for the 1925  Schneider Trophy race and piloted by Col. Jimmy Doolittle).  The kit is the Testors Classics Kit.

                                               

 

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- Phil

 

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:12 PM

M9130: Sorry, but that isn't a prototype- I was thinking more along the lines of combat aircraft- don't know much about civilian planes. A prototype of an airliner would work as a civilian aircraft though. This would qualify for a racing GB. Tongue Tied

TREYZX10R: Oh the Czech Model kit... I didn't know what you meant by "the Czech kit"... Embarrassed

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Posted by M9130 on Monday, May 7, 2012 12:38 AM

  This is the US Army entrant into the Schneider cup, (The plane also had a paper designation F3C  http://aerofiles.com/_curtx.html), sorry, I thought this was a general prototype GB .  I apologize for the confusion.  Embarrassed

 

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Cheers,

- Phil

 

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Monday, May 7, 2012 5:29 PM

M9130

  This is the US Army entrant into the Schneider cup, (The plane also had a paper designation F3C  http://aerofiles.com/_curtx.html), sorry, I thought this was a general prototype GB .  I apologize for the confusion.  Embarrassed

Don't worry about it- there are plenty of "paper planes" out there, most of them are kitted. If you still want to build something, just let me know, i'd be happy to include you. Smile

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:50 AM
i would like to join this build. i have an ME-264 in the queue

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:41 PM

waynec: sure thing, whats the scale and manufacturer?

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Posted by waynec on Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:13 PM
special hobby 1/72. i have to do some research but i think the paint and decals are for the v1 but the wing span and possibly the engines may make it a v3 which was never built. v2 was destroyed during production. ps it's achtung.

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Posted by M9130 on Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:41 PM

I was walking through the hobby store looking for projects for this summer and found this Horten Ho 229 in 1/72 scale by PM Model.  This is the prototype I will build for the GB.

Box Front

Side of Box

 

 

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:59 PM

M9130

I was walking through the hobby store looking for projects for this summer and found this Horten Ho 229 in 1/72 scale by PM Model.  This is the prototype I will build for the GB.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5330/7173112242_8b256c4980.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7102/7173112086_037e0503df.jpg

 

Looks good! Can't wait for the finished model.

waynec: When you figure out the version, let me know. I'll be on the lookout.Wink

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Posted by waynec on Friday, May 11, 2012 9:45 AM
based on the wing tips it's the V1. will start on it after i finish my CENTAURO VRC-105 and MD-500. probably build it simultaneously with italian RO-43 or CANT Z-501. i tend to do that.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:47 AM

waynec: So do I! Where are you posting the CANT Z-501 and Centauro VRC-105? Love to see them as well.

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:36 AM
md-500 will be in helos. vrc-105 will be on the that's amore gb and probably in armor. the z-501 and/or ro-43 in floatie thingie gb and airplanes. vrc is at base paint, decals and add fiddly things stage. it will be done by end of month for club monthly contest. md-500 is at paint canopy frame, mask, and base coat. won't be dirtied up. also end of month for club project.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:29 AM

dammit, i love these types of GB's. Would aircraft that never left the drawing board be included. I have promised myself no new GB's for a while, but this might be to good to miss. So put me down as a possable.

waynes, which of the special hobby kits have you got. They did two, the V1 and v2 but i think both have the same decals. I have the V2 kit which i am saveing for this type of GB, but not yet. I will be very keen to see yours built up, i don't think i have seen one yet.

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:37 AM
wing tips suggest v-1. has v-1 decals. v-2 was destroyed in a bombing raid before completion. this has resin cockpit, new for me, and vacuform nose. fortunately it has 2 as one is dished in and pushing it out is leaving crease marks.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:03 AM

Mine also has the resin cockpit and 2 vacuform canopies. I thought it was a mistake. I have the one with the BMW 801 engines and i think the kit has the longer wings. I plan on building it as a possable production aircraft, but its going to take a bit of converting.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:51 PM

Hello Bish! sorry, I just got on and saw your first post.Wink

waynec: did you know the initial prototype for the Horton Ho. 229 was prop powerd? I wonder if this has also been kitted...Hmm

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:39 PM
i did not know about the ho-299. just getting into this luft 46 stuff while reading about british torpedo boats in the med as i work on my VOSPER. i'm not doing one of these but i also have an arado E-555 in my stash, jet flying wing bomber. the only reaso i am nor doing it for this build is the splotch camo i don't know how to do yet. best learn since i have a couple of italian sm-79s too. i wonder if the prop was more to power test the wing design while the jets were getting built? the last thing i need is another obscure area of interest. already have modern wheels, modern warships (ok that's not obsecure), 1/35 anything that floats, russo-japanese war, sino-japanese war pre ww1 ships, civil war ironclads, german railroad 2/72 and 1/35

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:08 PM

The Anigrand 1/72 Martin XB-51 resin kit arrived yesterday along with a book 'Air Force Legends No.201 , The Martin XB-51 which I bought as well.

The build looks straight forward enough

On the ground the aircraft sits with the wing flaps lowered at 30 degress

Unfortunatly the kit doesn't come with seperate wing flaps , so I will have to think about cutting them seperate and positioning them lowered

There's no bomb bay in the kit but you can see in this next pic where Martin came up with the revolutionary rotary bay door , which was to feature later on in the American version of the BAC/EE Canberra , the B-57 .

Anyway the book should make for some interesting reading and I'll think about the wing flaps and bomb bay for a while .

John .

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:07 AM

Bloody hell wayne, have we got identical stash's lol. I got the 555 as well. I am a big fan of Luft 46 aircraft. Revell have a couple of nice kits out there. But a lot of the kits in this range are resin.

Paper, i take it its ok to include aircraft that didn't leave the drawing board then.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:27 PM

Yes bish, this GB is for prototype aircraft- whether or not a prototype was built or not does not affect it. The He- 100 for example, that would be eligible. And if the prototype of something that was used widely differs from it enough... well, you get the general idea. 

waynec: To answer your question, yes, the prop- powered Ho. 229 was the initial prototype to see if the concept of a flying wing was viable. That's when the Horton brothers stumbled upon the fact that radio waves do not bounce off that kind of aircraft, so as a jet- powered bomber and fighter it would have enormous potential.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Monday, May 14, 2012 10:46 PM

Alright, I started work on the Dornier tonight. Limited progress so far, I have encountered the most flash on any kit I have built to date. First the box+ contents-

Dead This is the amount of flash in most areas-

Next the cockpits- all glued up-

A few trusty clamps and rubber band solved the finicky fuselage-

So far this looks to be an interesting build... the amount of seams is minor compared to the Stuka I just built- but it remains to be seen.Wink

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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 18, 2012 3:16 PM

Thanks panzer, i will let you know what i will be building. I have quite a few Luft 46 kits in the stash.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, May 18, 2012 4:33 PM

I've just remembered that i have a build entered into another GB that will fit the bill perfectly. So if you are happy with crossovers, put me down for the Huma 1/72nd Fw Triebflugel.

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Posted by PaperPanzer on Friday, May 18, 2012 5:32 PM

Bish: Perfect! Better add you to the roster and change the rules...

By the way, there's another Luft' 46 bird that I'd like to know about... it looks like the Triebflugel but is prop powered and is also a vertical takeoff machine. What is it and has it been kitted? Thanks.Cool

(It appears in IL2 Sturmovik 1946)

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