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100th Anniversary of WWI GB

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:42 PM

Many thanks, Rob.  Like you have said, without that second wing getting in the way, it is really not that bad to rig.  Again, figuring out the plan is the hardest part.  I hope the pictures help to simplify someone's future Eindecker build.  This one has been fun.

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:19 PM

Super wicked job on the rigging Blue!! VERY impressive and hitting it right on the mark...very inspiring for sure.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:17 PM

Yes, it does Blue, thanks. Sounds simple enough.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:05 PM

Bish,

Thanks for the comment.  The connectors are small pieces of 29 gauge polyimide tubing:

which I purchased from Amazon.  It is thin, somewhat flexible plastic tubing which cuts easily with an XActo knife, and generally holds its shape.  Once cut, I use it the same way as you would use metal tubing: run the mono through the tube, through the eyelet, turnbuckle, etc., and back through the tube to form a loop.  Finish off with a drop of CA, and cut off the tag end.  Because of it is color and how thin the walls are, I think it does a good job of representing the protective leather finishing that you see on spliced wires.

I hope that helps,

Blue

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:37 AM

I was going to ask about the lettering on the tires. That looks really nice and is a great touch. Is it just one decal.

Blue, that rigging is looking great, could you show us how you make those connectors. And thanks for the info on using the turnbuckles.

More stunning work guys, very inspiring.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:28 AM

Marc, your RE8 looks absolutely beautiful.  Rocker, thanks very much!

Ok, update time.... bottom rigging is done, and so far Rob and Mike have proven correct about the rigging being easier than it looks (although I'm not out of the woods yet).  Not having an second wing means that with planning, most of the work can be done in open space, which greatly simplifies things.  The trickiest part, so far, was figuring out where that spider web of lines runs to and from.  With that in mind, here are a few shots of the pre-assembly work:

I decided to use monofilament for all of the rigging (mostly .127 mm), and am using a combination of polyimide (the brownish plastic) and nickel silver tubes for the connectors.  I use the polyimide to represent the whipping around the rigging wire where it splices back on itself, and the metal to represent connecting hardware around as I'll explain.  (The picture above breaks that scheme by using metal connectors for on the elevator lines where they connect to the control rod.  I did that rigging about a month ago before I settled on my strategy, and didn't re-do it.)  

The pictures show a number of eyelets that I made from twisted wire and installed into holes that I drilled (there were already mounting holes in the bottom of the fuselage behind the front of the landing gear supports seen above).  The bottom piece of the undercarriage assembly had two molded bumps where the rigging would connect, so I just drilled out the plastic and used them rather than adding wire.

Here are the in progress pictures:

None of the lines have been tightened and glued in those pictures.  I have since glued and trimmed the rigging that does not attach to the wings (center supports, control lines, etc.), but am going to hold off tightening the wing lines until the plane is flipped and the top is finished due to my concerns over sag.

I am using Gaspatch turnbuckles, 1/48 for the inline rigging, and 1/32 for the wing attachment points and the arms on the wing warping control pylon.  The Eindecker's wings were removable for transport, and the turnbuckles were color coded to simplify re-assembly.  Red for starboard, green for port (weird, I know), and blue for the top center lines.  To attach the turnbuckles to control horns, etc. I use small pieces of the metal tubing, plus .1mm monofilament  to make the conectors.  I pass the mono through the tube, then the control horn, then back through the tube, then through the turnbuckle's eye, then back through the tube for a third time (which I why I use the finer mono).  Pull the tag ends until the two loops are very small, and you get a flexible but relatively neat connection to the control horn or eyelet.  For the wing attachments, I wanted something more direct, so I put a small piece of wire through the turnbuckle's eye, and holding the tag end together, twisted the turnbuckle until an eyelet was formed.  Snip off the wire leaving a tag to stick in the mounting hole, and the turnbuckle is free to move to the correct angle when the rigging is tightened:

Finally, I mounted the 4 front wing lines to the post that runs down the center of the undercarriage.  The two innermost lines connect to the knob end that stick out in front of the cross supports, so I added a drop of CA to the underside of the knob to hold them in place:

And that's the underside rigging.

Blue

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:43 PM

Sorry budWink

Marc  

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Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:35 PM

AW, JEEZ Marc!! I was expecting some earth shattering super-cool technique!!! Stick out tongue

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:49 AM

Rob, Marcus, Rocker... thanks so much guys.

Rob it was easy... decals ;)

Marc  

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Posted by rocker286 on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:31 PM

Marc - Epic Work!

Blue - I'm with Mark, you did such a stellar job fixing that seam that no one would be able to tell it needed work! Great job!

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:25 PM

Marc,

Your plane is amazing, just amazing.

Marcus

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Posted by Rob S. on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:50 PM

Marc, can't say enough, other than you are the 'Master'...can you elude on how you get your lettering on the tires so perfect?

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:24 PM
Thanks Spartan Started the rigging and added some last details to the fuselage before adding the upper ... just restingthere again... wing and struts. TONS of rigging then 8D

Marc  

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:25 AM

You guys are putting out way too much fantastic work for me to reply to each post individually without running out of superlatives after the 2nd or 3rd one... Let me just say everything in this GB is a truly inspiring work of art!

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:01 AM

Marc - the 'Tate is lookin' mighty sweet!  Looking forward to seeing it all rigged up.  Yes

Blue - Rob's right on about the rigging for the Eindecker.  A little planning ahead made the job a snap and nowhere near as daunting as it appeared.  Great work so far!  Yes

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Big Blue on Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:07 PM

Thanks for the positive comments guys; they are lways appreciated.

It was good to get some forward momentum on this build, and I am excited to bring it to the end.  I am certainly hoping you are right about the rigging, Rob!  

I hope to have some more progress to share over the next few days.

Blue

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, October 19, 2014 7:45 PM

Thanks Bish.

Blue that really looks great. If you had not said anything about the repair I don't think I would have noticed.  It will look sweet all rigged up.

Marc  

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Posted by Rob S. on Sunday, October 19, 2014 6:50 AM

Looks fantastic Blue. As for that rigging job, it's actually quite a fun one!! I normally dread rigging bipes, but, that monoplane rigs just fine (especially if you are using ez line and turnbuckles).

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:19 AM

I have been following along guys, just after a while, its hard to know what to say. The builds are just what I think many of us have come to expect, totally stunning. Blue, great job on repairing the seam.

marc, that's a nice marking choice, I like the white zig zag's along the fuselage.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Big Blue on Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:32 PM

The decals look fantastic, Marc!  I really like the scheme you've chosen.  

I finally have a bit of progress to share after basically being on hold for a month (Taurus engine aside.)  As a reminder, the seam along the top of the fuselage had re-appeared after I had finished painting, applying decals and weathering, and I nervously decided to repair it.  I sent for some replacement decals (which took 3-4 weeks to make their way to me), and set about covering up the seam with a combination of clear coats and paint (on the gray-green section around the fuel cap), and putty and primer (on the section which would be covered by the new decal).   

Well, I finally finished the repair:

Despite being somewhat nerve wracking to strip down a section of completely finished model, and a couple of bumps along the way, the repair turned out fine, and I'm glad I decided to attempt it.  I did wind up damaging the blue decal along the upper edge of the starboard side (the photo above), which I touched up with a careful spray of Tamiya XF-18, Medium Blue.  Its not a perfect match for the Bavarian blue of the fuselage stripe, but its close, and looks like a smokier version of the correct color.  It blends in fine with with the overall weathering.

Additionally, I have attached the wings, and after the glue dries over night, I will start to build and rig the undercarriage.  Really not too much left prior to the massive rigging job that awaits me.

Blue

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Posted by Rob S. on Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:15 PM

Perfect, Marc, thanks!

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:13 PM

Hey rocker hope what ever it is isn't too serious and works itself out for you

Thanks Rob.  The filter is several coats of very diluted paint, about95% thinner. It builds up a little hazy color that can be left as is or used a the start to some fading.  I used buff since it gives a "dusty"look.

Marc  

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Posted by Rob S. on Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:49 PM

Looks great Marc...say, what's a 'dusty filter'??

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Posted by rocker286 on Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:36 PM

Awesome work everyone! I've had some catching up to do due to a family emergency, but rest assured I'm gonna keep tabs on this GB!

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:24 PM

Had to get this thread off page 2.

 

 

So... all the decals are done, sealed and flat coated then a final dusty filter to tone the decals down a bit.  Just a little fading for the roundels and that will be that about that.  In the bottom pic the wing is just placed on top without any struts so it looks weird but you get the idea.

 

Marc  

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  • From: back country of SO-CAL, at the birth place of Naval Aviation
Posted by DUSTER on Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:16 PM

To all you guys and your fantastic flyin' machines,      

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by Big Blue on Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:39 PM

Mike and Marc:  Your builds are looking fantastic.  Well done.

Blue

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Posted by 65ss on Sunday, October 12, 2014 2:24 PM

Mike Wow is about all I got! The pit looks great!

Marc That finish is really cool!

Dale

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, October 11, 2014 7:01 AM

Peter Jackson, himself, would be proud of what you guys are doing with his products!! Well done Gents!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, October 11, 2014 6:45 AM

Blu I am looking forward to trying them out.

Mike...My toot helped you make the tank look like THAT?  That really looks smoking"  I really like the effect you've achieved on the interior of the fuselage.  Wouldn't mind and SBS on that.

 

Got most of the painting finished.  I spilled some alcohol and had to touch up some big spot on the upper wing.  A little touch up to do on the underside.

The 9 Indifferent  steps involved:

1-Lightened base coat

2-Tape... lots of freakin' tape

3-Straight wing color, 2 Light coats

4-Lightened base- uneven fading between the ribs

5-Buff filter thinned about 90-95%

6-Darkened wing color- paper held at each rib for shadow on one side. Went around edges of fuselage and did some streaking then too.

7-Straight or lightened wing color touching up as needed to even things up

8-Filter again to tone it down and pull it together.

9-Pull all that tape and get that first gander Stick out tongue

 

 

 

Marc  

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