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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, March 8, 2021 1:02 PM

Thanks G, not sure i'm going to get any figures for it, so will just be on the base.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 8, 2021 11:20 AM

Looks fantastic Bish! Love the hi-viz orange markings! Looking forward to seeing her on the base with some more photos! 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 7, 2021 4:13 AM

Finally able to get back to the Huey. I got the Humbrol enamel paint and decided i didn't like that. Its not sold as a clear colour but it is and after 3 coats it still wasn't right. So i cleaned it up, re-primed and just thought i would try my own mix with Tamiya. I ha not done this as i didn't think i could get a match, but some orange with a small drop of red and i thinks its actually a better match than the humbrol. Should have just trie that to start with, would have had this finished over a month ago.

The pics i have of the underside are at an awkward angle so i am not completly certain the markings are correct. These are a bit thick after numerous layers but i am happy enough.

Then the decals were added. The kit dates from 97 but the pics i have are from 2019, while the camo is not the same the markings are mostly good. I did have to close the gap between the letters and numbers in the serial. The Danger stencil on the tail should have a red background with yellow writing. But i didn't have one to suit in the spares box.

The stencils around the doors are from 2 different sopurces in the spares box. Each one is a seperate decal, so they took a couple of evenings to apply.

Then a light Flory wash, these things seem to be kept nice a clean. Followed by a mat coat.

And then all the last bits added to finish it off.

Just need to add it to the base and try and find some decent figures. If i can't, i will just have it on the base with personel.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Bish on Monday, February 15, 2021 4:13 AM

Thanks guys.

John, ye, he is a bit more tanned than i wanted, all of my busts have come out on the tanned side, even an SS trooper from the Battle of the Bulge. I really do find skin tones the hardest part and i went over and over on this until i finally got to the point where i thought it was as good as it would get. Though despite what many believe, its not all foggy here Big Smile, we do have hot summers, and East Anglia is one of the driest parts of the country. So its not quite as far fatched as the SS bust.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:59 PM

Well done, Martin, and I too enjoyed the benefit of your research.  I do wonder how an Englishman developed such a tan, given what I am told of your weather.  You'll have to forgive my lack of knowledge, I am just a colonial after all.Big Smile

John

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:33 PM

Bish, cool figure work there, and I like the historical background combined with a modern spin on the chosen colours. Yes

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:22 PM

Thanks for the history lesson Bish and fantastic work on the bust! 

Love that you worked your team colours into the feathers!!! 

Heart

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, February 14, 2021 2:56 PM

I got my bust completed a couple of weeks ago and just got the pics done today. I know next to nothing about the English Civil War or the forces that fought in it. The site i got this from had some nice info about colours and i did some digging to find out more.

It seems that both side wore very similar uniforms and while each regiment would were a certain colour, each colour was worn by a number of units on both sides, and red was very popular. Units would often have a cloth of a certain colour tied about the arm or hat or even sprigs of a certain tree or plant so they could tell friend from foe.

At the end of 1642, Parliament established the Eastern Association to help help improve its admin. It comprised the militias of 5 counties from East Anglia, a Parliamentarian stronghold and one of the richest parts of England thanks to its agriculture. After bearing the main burden of the war effort for 2 years, in late 1644, the Association announced it could now longer carry the cost of the army. Parliament then decreed the formation of the New Model Army, the nations first standing army. The NMA included a number of units from the Association and it was was formed along very similar lines. And after complaints about some of the senior officers, and after an ordinance was passed by Parliament, command of the NMA was put into the hands of professional soldiers.

One of the first counties to join the EA was my home county of Norfolk and one of the foot regiments of the EA was Sir Miles Hobart Regiment of Foot, recruited from Norfolk this was one of the units that wore red and were known as the Norfolk Redcoats, as far as i know, this is the first time the term Redcoats was attached to a specific unit. In 1645, it was disbanded and some of it sent to the NMA.

When the NMA was formed, it adopted the red uniform worn by many regiments. In 1660, with the Restoration of the Monarchy, the NMA was disbanded, the King kept a small standing army, the birth of the English army which was 1707 became the British army. The new army was formed from Royalist forces that had been in exile and elements of the NMA. Its was based along the same lines as the NMA and also adopted the red uniform, which was worn by British soldiers for over 200 years and was of course famiously lead to the British army simply being known as The Redcoats.

My soldier is wearing a red uniform. I have painted the feathers in his hat yellow and green as this are the current colours of Norwich City football club, my home city. And while of course the club did not exist in the 1600's, i like to think that this is a soldier from my home city, formally part of Sir Miles Hobart's Regiment and now in the NMA.

As my sig suggests, i am proud to come from the County of Norfolk, birthplace of Admiral Lord Nelson. But what i have learnt builidng this makes me realise just how much of a leading role the county played in ending absoloute Monarchy, despite being a supporter of our current Monarchy, as well as its part it forming what would become the British army, which i proudly served in for 22 years, as well as being the first place to be identified with the one piece of equipment that identified the army for over 200 years.

The Redcoat.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:58 AM

Gamera

Bish: Ouch, sorry to hear about the paint woes. Looking forward to photos of the bust though! 

 

Ditto

I'm keen on the Revell Aqua Colour line but so far it's not avalable widely in the states. I have to order it from the UK or over the pond somewhere and wait a few weeks.

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:49 PM

Bish: Ouch, sorry to hear about the paint woes. Looking forward to photos of the bust though! 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:48 PM

Nice looking dio there AA, look forward to seeing the figures add.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:47 PM

Thanks gamera. I am afraid its stalled again. I realy don't like the Humbrol acrylic paint, so am going to try the enamel version. but as i can't get to the LHS, will have to wait until i place an order with Hannants next month.

Got my bust finished though, pics this weekend.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:04 AM

Bish: Looks great, you're halfway there! Hope you've gotten more done over the last week- sorry I was pretty ill and wasn't checking in. 

Harold: Even if slow I love what you're doing. And after your misteps before going a little slow don't hurt. 

AA: That looks fantastic!!! Please post more photos when you add the figures!

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Saturday, February 6, 2021 11:48 AM

Just thought y'all might like to see what I've done with my two buillds for this GB, the two Tamiya LRDG trucks.  WIP on an LRDG diorama (still working on a bunch of figures):

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, February 5, 2021 11:49 PM

Bish

Thanks Harold, i wish it were that easy. Though this one wasn't to bad.

Thats a nice job your doing with that camo.

 

Thank you Bish. I made a little more progress, but it is very slow and time consuming.

Harold

  

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:40 PM

Thanks Harold, i wish it were that easy. Though this one wasn't to bad.

Thats a nice job your doing with that camo.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:03 PM

Bish
But then i realised they didn't have the right shade of green for British Army helo's. Xtracolor used to have it, but stopped it a few years back. After doing a search i opted for Hataka acrylics. They do a complete set for British helicopters, but i just got the green and grey. I was wary after my experiance with MiG Ammo. But this stuff was really nice and even in the cold damp winter it was touch dry over night.

 I'll give it another night then mask for the Orange.

 

The painting on your Huey is coming along well Bish. I have never successfully completed any camouflage painting, so when I watch you it looks so easy.

The pictures below is were I'm at with the Matador camouflage painting. The putty masking did not work very well, so I am using a combination of masking tape and hand painting which is very slow.

  

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Posted by Bish on Monday, February 1, 2021 2:04 PM

I got the Huey all together a ready for painting a couple of weeks ago. The Antenna fit is based on photo's of the real thing not the kit instructions. Fortunatly both the kit and PE set include them for the other versions. The rail on the roof i made with some wire. I have also made some extra antennas for underneath but will add those later.

But then i realised they didn't have the right shade of green for British Army helo's. Xtracolor used to have it, but stopped it a few years back. After doing a search i opted for Hataka acrylics. They do a complete set for British helicopters, but i just got the green and grey. I was wary after my experiance with MiG Ammo. But this stuff was really nice and even in the cold damp winter it was touch dry over night.

 I'll give it another night then mask for the Orange.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, January 29, 2021 11:51 AM

The straws are a clever idea- going to have to file that away for sometime I need the same sort of thing. Yes

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Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:49 PM

jgeratic

Harold, interesting approach to get that camou applied.

Since it is hard edge, you could just hand paint with a brush, though it would be advisable to thin the paint such that you will apply at least two layers.  This avoids the chance of paint buildup over details, and results in a nice even layer. 

But I can see the advantage of preparing masks.  It allows one to concentrate on the paint application and not worry about camou shapes.

 

regards,

Jack

 

Thank you Cliff, Jack and Bish. I feel more comfortable with a putty mask than hand painting the scallops. Although I may need to touch up with a paint brush after I remove the mask. I have recruited my wife's help and she came up with the idea of using plastic straws of different diameters like cooky cutters on the flattened putty mask to create the scallop Pattern.

I will pre-cut pieces of flat putty to fit the shape of each section of the model and cut the scallop pattern with plastic straws on a cutting board. Then apply the pre-cut putty mask to the tractor body sections making sure to joint each section at the seams. The mask is only required along the lateral line of the body, the top and bottom of the body will be Nato Black as seen in the picture of 'The Old Lady'.
 
I practiced on an old tank body and the putty mask works very well, but I need to keep the coats of paint light so it does not build up at the edges. I will also remove the canopy and paint it separately. This putty mask approach will take more time, but the mask gives me more control of the process. So we shall see how it turns out in the next day or two.
 
Harold
 
 

  

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:37 AM

Going to be interesting seeing that scheme Harold, looks tricky.

The notice the tires on The Old lady have a different tread, i am guessing they are modern replacments.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:03 AM

Harold, interesting approach to get that camou applied.

Since it is hard edge, you could just hand paint with a brush, though it would be advisable to thin the paint such that you will apply at least two layers.  This avoids the chance of paint buildup over details, and results in a nice even layer. 

But I can see the advantage of preparing masks.  It allows one to concentrate on the paint application and not worry about camou shapes.

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:37 AM

Good luck! This is gonna be interesting! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:31 AM

Gamera

Whoa good catch there on the tyres! 

 

Ok my friend, it's time for camouflage.

I finished the S.C.C. 15 British Olive Drab painting, so tomorrow is the real test for me. I have practiced flattening MIG Masking Putty with my wife's rolling pin, then cutting scallops with a hobby knife to create the 'Mickey Mouse' style of camouflage pattern that I am attempting to reproduce from the picture of 'The Old Lady' shown below.

The masking putty will be applied in sections over the British Olive Drab paint along the sides, front and back of the tractor body. Then all of the exposed surface, top and bottom will receive one or two light coats of Tamiya Nato Black to represent the S.C.C. 14 Blue Black color used for camouflage in 1944 Northern Europe.

Harold

  

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:17 AM

Whoa good catch there on the tyres! 

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Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 3:03 AM

Gamera

That looks great Harold, you're almost done now!

 

Thank you Bish and Cliff. I found something today that has bothered me for weeks. Which direction the tread on these big tires is suppose to be going. The instructions show the tread pointing to the rear. But I felt that was wrong until I found the picture below that shows the tread pointing to the rear. The tread pattern is the very same as the model. So now I know, and it was a good thing I did not glue the wheels on yet.
 
Harold

  

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:53 PM

That looks great Harold, you're almost done now!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:51 PM

Looking good Harold, i like the scheme your planning.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:39 PM

 

I finished the interior hand painting and cab assembly. Gave the exterior a touch up coat of surface primer and its ready for a couple of light coats of S.C.C. 15 British O.D. Since the top and lower part of the vehicle is painted in S.C.C. 14 Blue Black like the picture of 'The Old Lady' below I mainly need the British O.D. on the sides, front and back of the body. For Blue Black Mike Starmer recommends Tamiya XF-69 Nato Black.

Harold

  

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