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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 11:54 AM

Steve: WOW!!! I'd have no idea how to weather a wooden deck but WOW OH WOW that looks sooooooooooo good!!! Heart

WrinkedM: Oh thats so cool! Gosh I'm so tempted now to add one to my stash- but I don't need to buy anything else!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Beavercreek, Ohio
Posted by Wrinkledm on Monday, March 1, 2021 7:00 PM

Real Birds Gamera.  At teh very least in 2011, 12 & 13 they decorated up for their anniversary celebration. I still have an Aoshima kit of the 2013 (OH-1) to build but that wonn't be too soon.  If you want some photos of the actual bird: google ( kisarazu helicopter )

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-02043-ah-1s-cobra-chopper-2011-2012-kisarazu-special--209623

 

 

Tags: Hasegawa , AH-1S , kisarazu

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 1, 2021 10:55 AM

Good start Hoss. Yeah, there's a lot of confusion about the chipping and paint quality of Japanese planes.

For a short synopsis, at the beginning of the war, most manufactures, most notably Mitsubishi, used a good quality primer and a good quality semigloss paints. Notice I said most, not all. Nakajima, while they may have used primer at the start of the war, it was of a poor quality, so you'll see many Kate's with chipping paint from early war on. Later war most manufactures stopped using primer all together because of material shortages and naval blockades, except Mitsubishi, so you will see chipping as a major issue, especially on army aircraft, not so much navy. Mitsubishi used a red primer for their Bettys (and possibly other bombers), so if you did see them chip, you would probably see red underneath.

Very late was Zeros, probably around the Type 52s, like you have there, Mitsubishi, at least what I have read and researched, stopped using primer as well and then started seeing the chipping issues as time went by. By that time however, most of the IJN carries were sunk and there really wasn't a need to fill the decks with the Model Zero. Most of the older versions were used as the dreaded Kamikaze.

It pains me to hear that people (not anyone on the forums that I know of) believe that the Japanese took poor care of their Aircraft. That is most utterly a false assumption. The Japanese took great care of their machines and made the most with what they had.

One thing that I find fascinating. Once the US started testing aircraft like the Ki-84 Hayate (Frank) and the N1K Shiden (George) with our high-octane avgas and a tune up, those planes out preformed even the Mustang. Say thank you our silent service fleet that keep a strangle hold on the merchant shipping.

Enough of my usual soapbox that I’m sure Gam gets tired of

Speaking of sunk carriers, on to the Akagi.

I sprayed a gloss coat on the wood deck and stained. Here it is half stained.

I then added three coats of the gloss coat and added the decals. That was an ordeal as decals don’t like to adhere to wood, imagine that. Confused

Once that all “dried” I then sprayed a few more clear coats. The katakana letter “A” on the stern came apart, thank you Hase for your wonderful decals. So, I masked and spray the letter. After a few hours messing with that I was able to add the weathering I.E. oil spills, fuel leaks, tire marks and other sundry offences that happen to a wood carrier deck, using pastels and oils where I’m right at the point where I feel I’ve gone far enough. Not too much but not too little. Most of the stern will be covered with 27 or was it 28  aircraft and one hundred plus crew so the deck will be more of a background than the center point.

Oh yeah, the island it glued down now.

Next I need to finish the mast, a few ladders that I bought that were too long for what I had in my ladder stock, mast rigging, AA guns, deck safety netting, catch wires, aircraft catch system, side small boats, lowered antennas, landing light system.... You know, all those small nagging annoying items at add tons of interest to a build.

Steve

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 28, 2021 11:28 PM

Hoss: Just put you down. Sorry I didn't get to you earlier, I've found if I get on the computer over the weekend I'll end up goofing around on it all day so I just stay off it. Welcome aboard! We're pretty loose on the rules here, just post photos as you go along and keep it light and fun.

WrinkedM: Just got you down. Pretty friggin' cool looking paint scheme. Was that something the JSDF actually used or just something Hasegawa did for fun?

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Beavercreek, Ohio
Posted by Wrinkledm on Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:31 PM

 

Ok, in 2019 I started a twin pack of 1/72 Hasegawa AH-1S helicopters. I finished the first one in 2019 for the GB and the second languished until today.   So it's now done.  Pushing on with my 2021 group build. I'm sure it will be completed by the end of the year. :)

 

Tags: 1/72 , Hasegawa , AH-1S , anime , JGSDF

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    July 2019
Posted by Hoss WA on Friday, February 26, 2021 9:25 PM

I'd like to jump in -- This is both my first GB and my first Japanese build. I'll submit updates both here and in the aircraft section. 

I've really been looking forward to building the Tamiya A6M5 1/48 kit and just started it. It's wonderful so far. 

I've chosen 320-85 from the 652 FG on the carrier Junyo during the Marianas Turkey Shoot in June 1944. 

The planes in the photo actually look in pretty good shape, so I won't be going hog wild on the paint chipping and weathering. 

I'm using mostly Tamiya paints and learning much about Zeros along the way. Just finished the office. Fuselage and engine are next. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, February 26, 2021 3:10 PM

I have plenty to choose from. A few hundred as a mater of fact. When I spring one from the tweezers I just say "Oh well there's plenty where that came from".

Steve

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Friday, February 26, 2021 1:59 PM

She's got a crew!

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/72 Revell He177 & 1/35 Tamiya Sdkfz 251

On deck: 1/35 Bronco LWS

In the hole: 1/144 Revell S-100

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, February 26, 2021 12:46 PM

They are futon mattresses and they are pewter parts form the super detail set. Late war the Japanese stoped using the mattresses as splinter shields because they didn't work as well as they thought. Plus the crew didn't have to give up there beds Confused

The pewter parts make the ones I made look huge. I may have to think about how to remedy that.

Steve

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 26, 2021 11:33 AM

She's coming along great Steve! 

Are the fabric splinter guards (or whatever you call them) kit parts? 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, February 26, 2021 8:34 AM

Thanks Gam,

Here is the work I did on the island Yesterday. I put the bridge crew on the bridge and added some window clear for the bridge windows. You can't see the crew but it doesn't matter, you a see something. I also sprayed a clear gloss coat on the deck to prepare it for stain and touched up the stern deck stripes. Tonight I'll add the deck stripes. I don't think I'll spray them and use the supplied the decals instead. We'll see how they look.

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:24 AM

That looks awesome Steve! 

 

And please be careful- I know if I built that island I'd drop it for sure!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:20 AM

I worked a few night on the island. Now that everything is added I'll paint tonight then add crew on the bridge and lookout platforms.

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:18 AM

Does look like the same AFV, weird about the track sag. Your explanation makes sense though.

 

Just so much stuff still unknown about Japanese AFVs. I remember the I-O ultra heavy 120 ton tank was believed to be a paper project until a bunch of blueprints, a track link, and test reports were found hidden in a shrine. Seems one was built, shipped to China in parts, reassembled, and tested. The army wasn't too impressed and with the navy sucking up all the resources of the empire the project was abandoned and after the war the Chinese hauled the thing away for scrap. 

Lots of weird stuff seemed to show up in shrines and temples. The Americans and Commonwealth mostly left religious and historical sites alone so the Japanese would hide odd stuff like priceless vintage samurai swords in them. 

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  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Monday, February 22, 2021 11:30 AM
Found another photo of the same Ho-Ni Philippines. At first I wasn’t sure it’s the same one the location is much different and the tracks have a lot of sag.
 
Comparing the two photos both have what appears to be the same damage to the left front fender, missing the right front fender (or most of it is gone), both are missing the pick-axe and shovel (if they even had them to begin with) both have a section of the engine deck cover slightly raised in the exact same position and both have shrapnel or bullet damage in the same spot on the exhaust cover.
Furthermore both appear to have the same exact same three tone camouflage and as far as I know Japanese crews camouflaged their own vehicles so it is very unlikely two different crews would paint the exact same camouflage on the armored shield at least.  I can only assume the second photo was taken sometime after U.S forces captured the Ho-NI and had moved it to a different location and perhaps something went wrong that would explain the track sag.

 
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Posted by GreySnake on Monday, February 22, 2021 6:50 AM
Glad you like the interior Gamera. Really wish there were good photos of the inside of it.
 
I might have figured out some of the confusion over the Ho-Ni and its service record. I think some sources were putting the Ho-Ni I and Ho-Ni II together. At first glance they do look the same. However you can see here the Ho-Ni II has a shorter 105mm howitzer.
 
I haven’t started putting Japanese pages on the Ho-NI II through translation software yet. However from my little research it seems the Ho-Ni II was possibly used Burma. So I’m thinking that is where a lot of the confusion is coming from on some web pages. 
 
Right now I’m leaning towards the Ho-Ni I possibly being used in Manchuria (I’m becoming more doubtful), without question in the Philippines and in defense of the home islands. I’m leaning towards most of them be kept in the home islands since with a 75mm gun it could knock out a Sherman.

 
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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:11 PM

Steve: That wooden deck  looks friggin' amazing. Nothing looks more like wood than real wood. 

Greysnake: Very cool! I've seen a few photos of the Ho-Ni around and seen I think pretty much the same information that you posted. Nice work on the interior, she's coming along well. Yes

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Posted by GreySnake on Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:51 AM
Finding any pictures of the Ho-Ni is rather difficult. The only ones I’ve found are five photos of one captured by the U.S 37th Infantry Division in Luzon, Philippines. It’s also the same one that was displayed at Aberdeen. Apart from the five photos I’ve found I haven’t come across anymore.
 
 
I’ve come across one source suggesting the first use was during the retreat in Burma in 1944/1945. However I’m not sure if that is accurate at all. As stated in my previous post they were supposedly used in China I haven’t found any evidence yet suggesting so. If anything it seems they might have been deployed in Manchuria as that is where the 2nd Tank Division was stationed prior to parts of the division being transferred to the Kuriles, China and the Philippines. Supposedly fourteen Ho-Ni’s were sent to the Philippines and only six made it as the others were lost en route when the convoys were attacked by U.S aircraft.
 
 
Because of the lack of photos and conflicting information I’ve decided to stick with painting and marking my model for a the 2nd Division in the Philippines.

 
Tamiya does include decals for the 2nd Tank Division in the box. On the photo of the Ho-Ni you can see a white circle marking (not sure if it has a name) on the gun shield on the Tamiya decals they have a blue square inside the circle. I’ve zoomed into the photo and adjusted the lighting and don’t think the blue square should be there.   

 
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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:39 PM

Thanks GS. I had that kit a while back and sold it. I wish I had the kits I sold back Angry

There's not a lot a photos on Japanese subjects unfortunately. Most of them were destroyed right after the war. Short sighted,  but I guess it's not my place to judge. Finding pictures of the Akagi is difficult as There's just not that many. 

Steve

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:14 PM

Thank you, GreySnake.

Cool to see a vehicle join the party.

 

Regards,

Jack

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Posted by GreySnake on Saturday, February 20, 2021 1:34 PM
PJ, the Zero came out fantastic.
 
 
Gamera, the 109 is looking good.
 
 
Steve, amazing work as usual.
 
 
Jack, the little Zero looks very nice the extra details.
 
 
I’m afraid I need the remove the Ki-84 from the build. I ruined the paintjob with Testors glosscote probably due to user error. The model is salvageable however I’ve been in a model building slump and I’m not interested in redoing it right now.
 
 
On to my other entry the Tamiya 1/35 Type 1 SPG Ho-Ni.

There’s not a lot in the box. For a kit first made over forty years ago the detail is quite good. The molds for the kit are starting to show their age the road wheels have very prominent seams and there is a lot of flash on some parts.
 
Due to the seams on the road wheels cleanup took a lot longer than usual. This doesn’t look like a lot of work however this took almost an hour and a half.
 
The model comes with a very basic interior since the fighting compartment is open. It’s just enough to give you the idea that it is there. I spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out what colour the inside should be and came up empty handed. In the end I went with the base colour for Japanese tanks from 1942 onwards Kusa Iro (Grass Green? ) using Tamiya XF-13 IJA.
 
Here is the interior after a little detail painting and weathering. The driver’s seat does have noticeable pin mark however you won’t be able to see it with the top glued on.
 
Finding information much information on Ho-Ni at least in English is pretty hard along with conflicting information. I finally ended up translating some Japanese websites and finding out a little more. It seems only fifty were built and there are hardly any photos available which makes figuring out markings hard. From what I gather they were used in Burma, China and the Philippines. I’m probably going to mark my model for the the 2nd Tank Division stationed in the Philippines since there are a few pictures of a Ho-Ni of that division captured by US soldiers.   

 
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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, February 19, 2021 11:15 AM

Thanks Gam.

I installed the wood deck and painted the stripes on the stern. I need to touch them up.

I also experimented with some stain and weathering using oils. My goal is this, the only pictures I found of the Akagi's deck, and they're colorized.

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 11:16 AM

Steve: All that latticework is simply insane, love it! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 12:07 PM

Thanks Robert.

I spent a lot of time on the Akagi this weekend, mostly on the stern area. All of the bracing wire, plaforms, railing and most of the long ladders are attached. I cleaned up ather areas and repaired others. I have the casemate guns to attach then on to the deck I think. After the deck and island there is still much more to do to the hull such as the side boats, folding antennas and asundry other things that stick out as well as ropes and such draped here and there.

I ordered Infani's IJN ladder B set which have those long 20 meter ladders that stretch well over the water and assend to the tubs on the deck. Not me brother!

Steve

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:30 PM

Robert: Sure, just swapped you out!

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Posted by Glamdring on Friday, February 12, 2021 9:48 PM

Wow, that carrier is superb!  I echo the sentiment that I could look at those pictures all day.

Gamera - Mind if I swap out the Tenyu build for something else?  I am feeling a little PE'd out after my War in the Desert build, and going straight to a 1/700 ship with even more seems like an exercise in pain!

I recently picked up a 1/35 AFV Club M155 Howitzer, which has an option for JGSDF gun.  Naturally that is the scheme I will be going with!  

Robert

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:26 PM

It actually stayed up quite long considering the damage that was caused by the armement and fires on board. They had to scuttle her and she still took a few.

Steve

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:50 AM

The Akagi looks monstrous good.  Almost seems a shame to sink her!

John

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:34 AM

She looks fantastic to me! 

And the photo looks fine. I went over to using my cell phone camera for everything years ago when I noticed it takes much higher resolution photos than my camera. I should dig my camera out soon and blow the dust off it... Tongue Tied

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