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AIRCRAFT - "Prototypes and Paper Projects" Group Build - Still Open.
Posted by Lucien Harpress on Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:36 PM
Prototypes and Paper Projects Group Build

Here it is, my first group build! Anyway, here are the stipulations-

1. Projects must conform to the subject (Duh!)
2. Any scale is welcome.
3. Prototypes of familier aircraft are okay.
4. Any era, any time, anything is fine- just so long as it's either a prototype, or a project that never got off the ground. (Ha ha.)
5. Most importantly- Your own designs DO NOT QUALIFY. It has to have been thought of by someone in history at one point and time. If you can find historical documentation, it will work. (Note- if you a project now that now does not qualify because of this change, let me know. We'll work somthing out.)
6. The official start date is June 1, but if you have a project now, go for it!
7. There is no set finish date.

Because this build has no finish date, anyone can just jump in whenever they want. I'm working on a project that will take a LONG time, so I don't expect anyone to wait around. So don't worry about what's going on. Just jump in and have fun!
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Okay, I'm gonna try something. What about this-

As some of you know, I'm planning to attempt a totally hairbrained sceme that is way out of my skill level, but nevertheless... (Check out the link in my signature.)

So I thought, with all this crazyness, let's turn it into a community project! Here's the deal-

1. It's my first attempt at a group build, so I apologize if I do stuff a little strange.
2. No matter what I do, I'm not a top quality builder, so anything I do will reflect that fact.
3. As the title said, I plan it to be a hypothetical aircraft group build. That entails anything that never made it into production. (Prototypes are fine by me!)
4. There is no scale restriction.
5. Because it is a hypothetical aircraft build, I guess that could include normal aircraft with custom, nonstandard paint jobs, but if you ask my professional opinion, I kinda think that is taking the easy way out. But don't get me wrong! It's still okay.

So there it is. What I'm kinda looking at is like Luft '46 aircraft. NOTE: That DOESN'T mean it's restricted to just that!

Only one problem...

As of right now, I have nothing I need to start. Absolutly nothing. No kit, no paint, no airbrush, (I plan to remedy that soon, though.) no nothing. So, therefore, this subject is not so much an invitation as it is something to test the water for my idea. You know, get feedback on it, and to get YOUR input. Ask questions, please! As I said, if this group build does become reality, it probably won't be for a while. (A year, or possibly more! I'm not kidding!) So if you want to join, great! I encourage it!

Just don't hold your breath!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:55 PM
Sounds like a fun idea for those that go for that type of modeling. I'm really not into "what ifs" but if you get the GB off the ground I would follow the thread with interest.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:13 PM
Interesting....I like it! I've just today started planning a Diorama of wierd and wonderful aircraft that were built by Germany in WWII - including this one- B & V 170:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=PLA11572

The idea is to depict a secret experimental testing airfield somewhere...

To start, I got me a Messershmitt Me-328 parasite fighter in mistel configuration sitting atop a Dornier 217 today, in fact...(1:72 scale airfix kit) weird enough? The Me 328 never really entered service, but it was tested....would that count? Otherwise I'll order the Blooming Vase 170....bit steep at more than 40 notes brit money.....

I've never done a group build before, and I've just got back into model building after a 15 year absence...built a 1:100 spaceshuttle...Christmas pressy....built loads of models as a kid.....
....I'm also building an F-14 Tomcat....hoped to finish that before I started on this wacky Deutch Diorama thing...give me more time to think, plan, dream......but I could be interested/persuaded and start the messy-dorny kit now......bloody massive pop rivets all over the damn fusy and wingiestho...sand the buggers off....Disapprove [V]
Edit:
Here's the Messy-Dorny Airfix Kit I got today:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=AX05029
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Posted by ghettochild on Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:34 PM
sounds like a good idea to me. i would love to join in this gb if it gets going.
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Posted by stinger on Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:29 PM
Lucien, I really like the idea, and Luft '46 is my favorite subject. I haven't built one yet, but I'll join in the Group when it gets going.

I'll get thinking on a project right now.

Thanks for the idea,

stinger

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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:34 AM
as with rjk, i am not into the "what if" builds. however recently i watched the history channel present a hour long show on japanese what if planes. they sparked my interest and i will be considering this build.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:56 AM
Very interesting subject. Especially if the entries would go beyond Luft '46 subjects. Experimental jets from the '40s and '50s come to mind... Or some of the planes that come up in Blackwolf's quizzes Big Smile [:D]. Some of the weirdest designs are also some of the most beautiful (check out quiz #20 for a great example). I'm thinking Northrop flying wing prototypes N-1m, N-9M..... Uh-oh, I was not going to get involved in this one but I'm afraid I just got bitten by the bug. I guess I'm in but I don't know when I would be able to start because I have a few things that come first (F-15E, Beaufighter, need to find a Mirage F-1CZ and have to build my Cat after that....Sigh [sigh]Laugh [(-D]). But heck, give me a start date and I'm in!
Btw, I do have an XB-35 and XB-70 stashed away somewhere. Would thoset qualify (in case I can't find anything weirder)?
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:48 AM
This morning an idea struck me, and reading your suggestions (thanks, by the way) I sold myself to it.

Instead of a "hypothetical" aircraft build, I was thinking of changing it to a "Prototypes and Paper Projects" group build instead. Still kind of the same thing, but in my opinion, it encompasses a slightly larger group. Now, if some people don't like to model purely hypothetical aircraft, they still have the option of modelling a real prototype.

Pretty much anything experimental, strange, or not gotten past the drawing board!

And norite, yes, the Me 328/ Do 217 would be fine. Heck, it'd be great! I actually know a little about the Me 328 myself. If you havn't checked out the photo in my signature yet (the only link in it), look now. Notice the little aircraft on the starboard fugelage?

Oh, yes. I have big plans for that sucker...

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:00 AM
norite! I just realized what the Bv 170 was! That (In my opinion) is one of the coolest aircraft ever- wait. Not built, 'cause it wasn't... Anyway, wether this group build becomes a reality or not (I really want it to be), pics of your progress on it would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:44 AM
Hmmm....hokay....might get me that Blooming Vase 170....but at forty notes, I'll wait till the end of the month.....

Going to start on the double decker mistel craft tonight. I'm off then!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 4:07 PM
Right then, I'm off and running with the ball.

Here's my contribution:


I've started on the Me 328, just painted the cockpit this evening.

I will probably get the Blooming Vase 170 at the end of the month...depends how rich me is feeling.....forty UK notes for a 1:72 scale...eeeek...

Anyone else?

P.S can we make this a sticky, and rename it to weird aircraft or summat?? Ta
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:27 PM
Whoa, there! I like the enthusiasum, but this is just the planning stage! As I said before, even though I initiated this thing, I don't even have anything to start yet! I guess we could make it sticky... It's just that I wouldn't really be able to join for quite a while!

And you have all my sympathies with the Bv 170. I must have been under the impression you had it already! Dunce [D)] The price isn't much better over here.

And, last but not least, a tentative list of who wants to join this thing-
-norite (definitly! Right?)
-Me (Duh! When it starts!)
-Filibert Kraxner (I said tentative!)
-stinger
-ghettochild

By all means, if someone wants to get this thing off the ground now, I guess it could be okay. I just don't want it wallowing as a sticky doing nothing because I don't have anything to contribute!

Unless...

I also guess people could just pop in and out as projects are started and completed. Has this been tried before? My only objection would be on how to finish it up, when the time came!

And I seem to have run out of things to say! Read this, consider it, and let me have your ideas!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:47 PM
Lucien, Give the project a specific end date, say 3 months from the beginning of June? Finish by end August? That way we all have a focus, and it'll keep us on our toes. By the end of this month, we should all have chosen a model or two to build. that gives everyone two weeks from now to get a model.. Or if you have one already, start now, like me Cool [8D]

I dunno, matey, you suggested this idea, so you're in charge?
I like the JU 290....If you like that kind of thing, I can suggest something smaller, like the BF-109Z - it was exactly the same idea, two 109's welded together. It didn't fly afaik...
That would be a nice one for the group build...Approve [^]

There are kits available - Hannants stock it over here...


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:01 PM
Lucien,

I would be interested in joining such a group build, as those Luft 46 ''paper projects'' are fun to build and paint. My current project should be finished in a few weeks and I should be able to join in on the fun.

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, May 17, 2004 12:06 PM
I just have one problem with setting a start date and a finish date- as I said before, I have nothing to begin it, and I'm totally broke! Maybe it was a mistake by offering this build this early, before I was prepared... I don't know. No matter when it starts, I can tell you this much- I'm not gonna be able to get a model in two weeks! When I started this thing, I only intended to just pass the idea, you know? See if anyone wanted to do it. My point is, I'm not setting a start date because-
1. I can't, and
2. I never intended to.

I just want to get one thing clear- Smile [:)]THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL GROUP BUILD!Smile [:)] I just wanted to judge the reaction for a possible one. The only thing I can say to norite is finish the Dornier Mistel. But save your money for the Bv 170 until this build actually starts!
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, May 17, 2004 12:53 PM
Did you get all that? Basically, keep going on the Mistel! Don't stop! Save your money for the Bv 170 'till later! The Group Build hasn't started yet! It won't for a while! I am broke! No money for me until distant future! I was just fishing for the idea! The build will happen! JUST NOT YET!

I do thank you wholeheartedly for the suggestions, though! You're just moving a little faster than I am able to right now! I promise, as soon as I have a start date, I will give one. I still need to buy two Ju 290 kits, a Me 328 kit, an airbrush, paint, and possibly Condor's German missle set (and that's without the electronics to moterize the thing!), all with money I do not have!

If you do want a realistic start date, from my side I'm thinking about... A year from today.

What? I'm serious!

I am.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 17, 2004 1:11 PM
Lucien, I see the predicament you are in Sad [:(]. I think the problem is you suggested an idea that's just too good to be left alone. When do oyu think you will be a ble to get a kit for this project? I am told Ebay has some great opportunities for low prices in the USA (in Holland it's not so good). Maybe you could get lucky there. We could set a date that leaves a couple of months time for everyone to get their stuff sorted. In the meantime, the quick and eager Mischief [:-,] folks could already start on their kits (like me....). It doesn't have to be just one build per person, right? We could still make this thing sticky, I suppose. What do you think? I certainly don't want to shoplift your idea and would like to assist if I can.
Btw: just went to the LHS and got an MPM Curtiss XP-55 Ascender in 1/72 scale, because the XB-35 wouldn't fit on my shelf if I built it right now (we gotta move someday....). Alas no digital camera, but I'll borrow one to document any serious progress. Well, I'm brakes on, engines to fullBig Smile [:D]Wink [;)]
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, May 17, 2004 1:34 PM
OK, Lucien, I'll be going along on this one... Plenty of exciting things to do with a theme like that!
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, May 17, 2004 1:59 PM
Okay, here's the plan-

We make it Sticky, with a start date of, mmm..., July 1st. This year.
There will be no "finish by" date.
People chompin' at the bit can start as soon as possible.
I will join you whenever I can.

Sound good? Good? Any questions? Go for it!
(When it becomes Sticky, I'll rename it something more appropriate.)
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 17, 2004 2:23 PM
@Lucien:
OK, matey, no worries. This has attracted a lot of interest; I think you've become a victim of your own success here, chuckle chuckle.....Big Smile [:D] I'm gonna build the mistel; I'm not in any hurry anyways......an hour here...an hour there....good wine is never rushed.....It was just a nice coincidence that I bought the Misteltoe on the same day that I saw your post...so I couldn't help myself....Blush [:I] This is actually right up my road...I want to build lots of weird aircraft for my deutcherama, so I'll just build awayBig Smile [:D]

This is a really great idea Lucien and I hope we get some really cool builds out of it! Big Smile [:D]

Good stuff!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 17, 2004 2:55 PM
Game on!Tongue [:P]Yeah!! [yeah]
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, May 17, 2004 4:30 PM
A victim of my own success! Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] That's exactly what it is!

"I have sown the wind, so now I must reap the whirlwind."

I give the green light on this crazy project! Thumbs Up [tup] Dinner [dinner]

Go! Go! Go! Go!

Boogity Boogity Boogity!!

(Sorry for those of us who don't watch NASCAR!)

So now, how do we get this sticky?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:45 AM
I think the proper procedure is to ask a webmaster, but I have never done that, so please correct me if I got it wrong. There's a suggestions forum that might work. Alternatively this link leads to the website reply form:

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/dynamic/contactus/form_webmaster.asp

Don't know if this is the correct m.o.Confused [%-)]
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:38 PM
Don't worry, I'm in the process of trying to get it Sticky right now...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:58 PM
Hi Mike~

This thread has done been stuck! Now it's all on your shoulders--you're the GB ringleader Wink [;)]

As for getting the attention of FineScale.com staff members, your post in the Feedback forum worked. You could also send a message via the Contact Us page (link in green nav bar at left) or by pinging me an e-mail through the Forum. Just click on the "Email" link at the bottom of any post by me.

Great subject for a GB. Prototypes and proposed designs are always so fascinating--usually a notch or two (or three or a whole lot) "further out" than what eventually gets mass-produced. Good luck!
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:02 PM
Thank you very much! Well, in the immortal words of me-

"So it begins..."

So, anyone with a kit can start now! For those of us without one, the "official" start date is June 1. There is no end date; people can just jump in whenever. I will get with you all as soon as I can with my own project.

Well- Have at it! Dinner [dinner]
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:37 AM
Mmmm... I'm wondering whether I could re-start my 1/48 Heller Rafale A (the prototype)...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 3:11 AM
Congrats on/ thanks for making it stick guysApprove [^]. This one is gonna be a lot of fun! Of course, I couldn't wait to get started so I opened op the XP-55 box yesterday and have started cleaning up the parts. This takes some time because it is a mixed media kit, but all looks well so far. The resin cockpit and photoetch parts look great and everything seems to fit well. Next phase is the painting of the cockpit. Does anybody have any pics of the XP-55 cockpit, or information on the colors used? If I can't find anything I'll settle for interior green, but accuracy is always best.Smile [:)]
Oh, for the peeps that don't know what the XP-55 looked like:

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:16 AM
Great choice, Filibert!
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:44 AM
Filibert-
Didn't Swanny just get finished building one of those? If you can find him, maybe he could lend some help.

No, I don't know what the interior colors are. Sorry!
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