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12SS GB: 'Blood and Honor' (March 30th 2005- Sometime)

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12SS GB: 'Blood and Honor' (March 30th 2005- Sometime)
Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:07 PM
Hey everyone!! Welcome to the 12SS Group Build. This build's is focused on the 12 SS Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth, Panzer Division, which fought for Nazi Germany during World War II. Made up mostly of teenagers and younger men, this unit is an example of what the Nazi's were willing to do to stay in power. Thousands of children in this division, some not older than 14 or so, fought and died for the mad ideals of Hitler and his henchmen.

This group build is not meant to glorify war, or the ideals of the Nazi party, nor is it affiliated with the Nazi's or any other such organization. The point of this Group Build is to pay somber respect for a generation of children who lost everything due to the deceit and insanity of a tyranical regime. It is also to honor those men and women who fought this regime, bringing freedom to people across the world, and restoring truth and humanity to those who had been blinded by lies.

Of course we're also here to build some great models of the vehicles used by the 12 SS, and so if you're looking for something new to build in an interesting subject, join right in!


Firstly, here are the rules:
1.) Have fun
2.) You can build any armored/softskin vehicle/equipment used by the 12 SS division, but only those vehicles that were in the 12SS.
EX: u can build a panther A, which was used, but only in 12 SS markings.
3.) a figure(s) as a build is permissable
4.) any scale is permissable
5.) no fantasy stuff
6.) NO Builds from other Group Builds- unless the other build being entered allows it. otherwise, don't cheat with the GB thing, its unfair to those who do individual builds for each GB they're in.
7.) once we have enough people in on the build, there'll be a concensus on exactly when the end date will be
8.) you should post at least one update on how your build is goin during the build time, and at least once at the end to say how it went and how it looks. pics are cool, but arent necessary
9.) you can come into the build whenever, no matter how close to the end. just be sure you can finish your build by the end date
10.) follow the rules and limits of the general FSM Forum. you know wut Im talkin about, and it should go without saying.
11.) after all tht stuff, again jst have funBig Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Cool [8D].


Members' List:
Name- Model

blackhawk91- Sdkfz. 251/4 w/quad 20mm
scer16- Puma
gringe88- flakpanzer 38(t) & kubel type 821
nmayhew- panzer IV H
clint- 251 w/ 3.7 flak
smokinprice- 234/1& kubelwagen
panzerman- 251/9
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Updates:

OK, here's wut i got for the badge:



the top reads:'Blut und Ehre!' (Blood and Honor!, the moto of the 12 SS)
the bottom says: 12SS Hitlerjugend Group Build: 2005

and, here's the 65x65 version. its different from the larger piece above:


both versions are available if u want, but if yer in a lot of othr GB's, id suggest the 65 squared version:

large: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/gringe88/FSM%20Group%20Build%20Badges/untitled01.bmp
65sq.: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/gringe88/FSM%20Group%20Build%20Badges/untitled12.bmp

contact me if u hav NE problems

One further update...

As there's been limited posting for a while, I've extended the end date, assuming that people have been busy lately and/or have had to finish other builds. An end date has not been set as of yet, and if you need extra time, or are not sure of how long your build will take, just post here and let me know. It's not that big of a deal as long as you let me know if you'll be a while.

happy buildingCool [8D]
and remeber....

"Live Faithfully, Fight Bravely, and Die Laughing!"

====================================== -Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:33 PM
I'd like to sign up for this one if I may. I am not a very good armor modeller, but it will give me a chance to improve...I have a couple of different kits that I can dig out and build, so give me a day or so to figure out what I can do. I understand completely where you are coming from with this build. Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:52 PM
I would also like to take part in this build with the Italeri Puma kit. I did not know if it was used by the 12ss recon (I posted this early in this GB thread in armor) but I found 2 references that show that the Puma was used.
SS Reconnaissance Battalion 12

BN HQ Armored Car Troops: Unavailable (short) Probably 2x222 light and

1x232 heavy armored cars

Armored Car Recon Coy

2x222 Armored Cars, 1x232 Armored Car
and a reference on a Missing Links article on the Italeri Puma.

Bernage, George and Meyer, Hubert, 12SS Panzer Division HitlerJugend. Editions Heimdal, 1994.
(An excellent factory shot of a production Puma, showing the gun cleaning rod rack)
Sorry for the lenghty post but I wanted to show that the Puma was used.
Anways, I'd like to do the Puma.
Edit: For the badge I think it should be the 12ss symbol (the key and such) with whatever words you guys choose. The German of Blood and Honor would make it more interesting I think. My two cents
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, March 25, 2005 3:45 PM
hey guys, welcome! don't worry blackhawk, u stil have a couple a days left, take yer time.

good to see ya scer. the puma's fine, uve got the referneces so its good.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM
when does it start gringe?
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, March 25, 2005 4:30 PM
starts march 30, or 31, it doesn't matter to me, 24 hours doesnt really make a difference

if youve just started your research on the 12th and wut vehicle u'd like to use,
here's some recommended resources for ya:

http://home.att.net/~SSPzHJ/Org.html
-a very good site on the 12 SS, including an organization chart, info on vehicles, personel, general unit history, and more

http://spearhead1944.com/gerpg/12ss.htm
-another page on the units organization, along with the type of weapon/vehicle used by each level of the division and how many of them were in a particular company, etc.

http://www.hitlerjugend.net/Index.html
-a good site with good pics and more info

http://www.12hj.com/welcome.html
-another reenacting site with more info

http://web.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/gerob/gerob.html
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/tours/normandy/battle.html
-some very good sites on the 12th. you can thank beav if u see him for these ones

http://panzersinnormandy.tripod.com/
- this site isn't specifically about the 12 SS but its got some pics of the unit's vehicles. its also just an excellent site about the normandy battles

there are also several books out on the 12 SS, including
the latest book from concord publications
Hitler Youth and the 12.SS-Panzer Division 'Hilterjugend' '33-'45

The 12th SS Panzer Division - HJ
from Schiffer Publishing by Herbert Walther

one from Osprey titled The Waffen-SS (3) which has info on the 12 SS along with several other SS divisions. this one is fairly ligther on the 12th though

Meyer: History of 12 SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend"
by Hubert Meyer from J.J. Fedowicz Publishing

along with several other books. the first three here are available from GreatModels.com. I only have the title from Concord, and it is very good with numerous photos. the books from Osprey is fairly general, and doesn't have many photos or info. the other two I suspect are just textual sources, but should go very in deepth. if you're looking for more info, just search on yahoo or google, there are a lot of hits.

NEway, those are just some of the resources I will be using/ have found. If u find NE others with useful info, please feel free to post them up!!
hope it helps!!
====================================== -Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:23 PM
I think I am going to do a Sdkfz 251/4 with the quad 20mm. I cannot find anything that states if they used this version or the 37mm. Any help would be appreciated. If I get ambitious I will do another Sdkfz 251 as well. Both are Hasegawa 1/72.
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:08 PM
blackhawk, r u talkin about the 'drilling' or the flakvierling??
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:55 PM
I am pretty sure it is the flakvierling. I am not exactly sure what a "drilling" is, outside of the old elephant rifle. Confused [%-)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:29 PM
Drilling is the Dragon kit, on the box it says Drilling
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:30 PM
yea, it has the 20mm set up almost in line together, like machine guns. the flakvierling has the four canons stacked, two on each side, one over the other. ive never seen a 251 with one of those on it. sounds like a cool idea
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Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:30 PM
i'm in...but won't start for a while yet i think.
i'll probably do a panzer IV H with full zimm'd schurzen, both turret and hull; as for crew, i'll have to do some research.
laters.
N
PS GB Badge???????!!!!!!!Wink [;)]
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 5:51 AM
Badge looks good gringe
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:05 AM
I like the GB badge Gringe....Good workThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 PM
the badge looks great,Gringe. im just starting my research,but i think ill do the 1/35
tam. halftrack 3.7 flack.


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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:22 PM
glad ta hav ya aboard clint! ill add ur name to the list shortly.

with yer halftrack, r u talking about the heavily armoerd one, but without the armored rear compartment?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:37 PM
Yay, only one more days wait!
When should we get the badge gringe?
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:52 PM
first day people!! who started yet?

scer, u can pic up the badge you choose whenever u like. before u begin, while ur buildin, or after, it doesn't matter to me. ive got mine in now
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:10 AM
i got the chassis done, that has the smallest pieces in the world
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Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:05 PM
for my dio, im startin with tamiya's type 82 kubel. i got a conversion set from tiger werke to make it a radio communications version. its got a large radio set up in the back seat. i also got a detail set from verlinden for it. im also starting the figures for the dio. they'll be a collection of tamiya, ertl/esci, dragon, verlinden, and warriors. the flakpanzer is going to be made from the tamiya marder III M kit, converted folr the job with italeris 20mm flak 38. ill have to scratchbuild the rear compartment forit.

it wont be a sizeable diorama, but itll have a lot of detail. ive been collecting up dio pieces for a while now, while i was on other builds. ill gfet some pics up once i got some more done on the kubel
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:20 PM
I just read in the book Im reading that the 12thSS was used in the Ardennes in 1944-45. So we can do winter camo, yay!
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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:07 PM
sure, long as it was used by the 12th its good! they were also deployed in the offensive to break the russian siege of Budapest. after that debacle, they were sent into eastern Austria, where they eventually surrendered to the Americans
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 5:22 PM
Gringe, yes im doing the tamiya armored cab version of the 3.7 cm halftrack. ive got model kasten tracks and will pick up a new gun barrel shortly. i just recieved word that some of my references just came in . yay!! so i will be starting soon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:12 PM
the what now? I've never heard of that
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:54 PM
gringe can i join
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:34 PM
sure ya can panzer grenadier!! yer welcom NEtime! wut hav u got in mind to build?

scer, which post u referin to?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:12 AM
the one by clint saying what hes building
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:16 PM
I just read in my book (Waffen SS An illustrated History) that the 12thSS only had 300 men and 12 tanks after the Normandy fighting! Thats not even a regiment!
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Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:37 PM
sounds bout rite. they took heavy casualites defending falaise n keepin the corridor thro ther open for as long as possible. not to mention from the constant allied air attacks nearly every day of the campaign.

BTW- scer, tht kit is of a flatbed prime mover version of the 251 halftrack. its got an armored cab on it for crew protection. thers a 3.7cm flak gun on the back.
====================================== -Matt
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:12 PM
so how's it goin people? makin NE head way?
====================================== -Matt
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