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12SS GB: 'Blood and Honor' (March 30th 2005- Sometime)

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:33 PM
I'd like to sign up for this one if I may. I am not a very good armor modeller, but it will give me a chance to improve...I have a couple of different kits that I can dig out and build, so give me a day or so to figure out what I can do. I understand completely where you are coming from with this build. Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:52 PM
I would also like to take part in this build with the Italeri Puma kit. I did not know if it was used by the 12ss recon (I posted this early in this GB thread in armor) but I found 2 references that show that the Puma was used.
SS Reconnaissance Battalion 12

BN HQ Armored Car Troops: Unavailable (short) Probably 2x222 light and

1x232 heavy armored cars

Armored Car Recon Coy

2x222 Armored Cars, 1x232 Armored Car
and a reference on a Missing Links article on the Italeri Puma.

Bernage, George and Meyer, Hubert, 12SS Panzer Division HitlerJugend. Editions Heimdal, 1994.
(An excellent factory shot of a production Puma, showing the gun cleaning rod rack)
Sorry for the lenghty post but I wanted to show that the Puma was used.
Anways, I'd like to do the Puma.
Edit: For the badge I think it should be the 12ss symbol (the key and such) with whatever words you guys choose. The German of Blood and Honor would make it more interesting I think. My two cents
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, March 25, 2005 3:45 PM
hey guys, welcome! don't worry blackhawk, u stil have a couple a days left, take yer time.

good to see ya scer. the puma's fine, uve got the referneces so its good.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM
when does it start gringe?
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, March 25, 2005 4:30 PM
starts march 30, or 31, it doesn't matter to me, 24 hours doesnt really make a difference

if youve just started your research on the 12th and wut vehicle u'd like to use,
here's some recommended resources for ya:

http://home.att.net/~SSPzHJ/Org.html
-a very good site on the 12 SS, including an organization chart, info on vehicles, personel, general unit history, and more

http://spearhead1944.com/gerpg/12ss.htm
-another page on the units organization, along with the type of weapon/vehicle used by each level of the division and how many of them were in a particular company, etc.

http://www.hitlerjugend.net/Index.html
-a good site with good pics and more info

http://www.12hj.com/welcome.html
-another reenacting site with more info

http://web.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/gerob/gerob.html
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/tours/normandy/battle.html
-some very good sites on the 12th. you can thank beav if u see him for these ones

http://panzersinnormandy.tripod.com/
- this site isn't specifically about the 12 SS but its got some pics of the unit's vehicles. its also just an excellent site about the normandy battles

there are also several books out on the 12 SS, including
the latest book from concord publications
Hitler Youth and the 12.SS-Panzer Division 'Hilterjugend' '33-'45

The 12th SS Panzer Division - HJ
from Schiffer Publishing by Herbert Walther

one from Osprey titled The Waffen-SS (3) which has info on the 12 SS along with several other SS divisions. this one is fairly ligther on the 12th though

Meyer: History of 12 SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend"
by Hubert Meyer from J.J. Fedowicz Publishing

along with several other books. the first three here are available from GreatModels.com. I only have the title from Concord, and it is very good with numerous photos. the books from Osprey is fairly general, and doesn't have many photos or info. the other two I suspect are just textual sources, but should go very in deepth. if you're looking for more info, just search on yahoo or google, there are a lot of hits.

NEway, those are just some of the resources I will be using/ have found. If u find NE others with useful info, please feel free to post them up!!
hope it helps!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 25, 2005 9:23 PM
I think I am going to do a Sdkfz 251/4 with the quad 20mm. I cannot find anything that states if they used this version or the 37mm. Any help would be appreciated. If I get ambitious I will do another Sdkfz 251 as well. Both are Hasegawa 1/72.
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:08 PM
blackhawk, r u talkin about the 'drilling' or the flakvierling??
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:55 PM
I am pretty sure it is the flakvierling. I am not exactly sure what a "drilling" is, outside of the old elephant rifle. Confused [%-)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:29 PM
Drilling is the Dragon kit, on the box it says Drilling
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:30 PM
yea, it has the 20mm set up almost in line together, like machine guns. the flakvierling has the four canons stacked, two on each side, one over the other. ive never seen a 251 with one of those on it. sounds like a cool idea
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Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:30 PM
i'm in...but won't start for a while yet i think.
i'll probably do a panzer IV H with full zimm'd schurzen, both turret and hull; as for crew, i'll have to do some research.
laters.
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PS GB Badge???????!!!!!!!Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 5:51 AM
Badge looks good gringe
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:05 AM
I like the GB badge Gringe....Good workThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 PM
the badge looks great,Gringe. im just starting my research,but i think ill do the 1/35
tam. halftrack 3.7 flack.


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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:22 PM
glad ta hav ya aboard clint! ill add ur name to the list shortly.

with yer halftrack, r u talking about the heavily armoerd one, but without the armored rear compartment?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:37 PM
Yay, only one more days wait!
When should we get the badge gringe?
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:52 PM
first day people!! who started yet?

scer, u can pic up the badge you choose whenever u like. before u begin, while ur buildin, or after, it doesn't matter to me. ive got mine in now
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:10 AM
i got the chassis done, that has the smallest pieces in the world
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Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:05 PM
for my dio, im startin with tamiya's type 82 kubel. i got a conversion set from tiger werke to make it a radio communications version. its got a large radio set up in the back seat. i also got a detail set from verlinden for it. im also starting the figures for the dio. they'll be a collection of tamiya, ertl/esci, dragon, verlinden, and warriors. the flakpanzer is going to be made from the tamiya marder III M kit, converted folr the job with italeris 20mm flak 38. ill have to scratchbuild the rear compartment forit.

it wont be a sizeable diorama, but itll have a lot of detail. ive been collecting up dio pieces for a while now, while i was on other builds. ill gfet some pics up once i got some more done on the kubel
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:20 PM
I just read in the book Im reading that the 12thSS was used in the Ardennes in 1944-45. So we can do winter camo, yay!
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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:07 PM
sure, long as it was used by the 12th its good! they were also deployed in the offensive to break the russian siege of Budapest. after that debacle, they were sent into eastern Austria, where they eventually surrendered to the Americans
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 5:22 PM
Gringe, yes im doing the tamiya armored cab version of the 3.7 cm halftrack. ive got model kasten tracks and will pick up a new gun barrel shortly. i just recieved word that some of my references just came in . yay!! so i will be starting soon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:12 PM
the what now? I've never heard of that
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:54 PM
gringe can i join
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:34 PM
sure ya can panzer grenadier!! yer welcom NEtime! wut hav u got in mind to build?

scer, which post u referin to?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:12 AM
the one by clint saying what hes building
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:16 PM
I just read in my book (Waffen SS An illustrated History) that the 12thSS only had 300 men and 12 tanks after the Normandy fighting! Thats not even a regiment!
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Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:37 PM
sounds bout rite. they took heavy casualites defending falaise n keepin the corridor thro ther open for as long as possible. not to mention from the constant allied air attacks nearly every day of the campaign.

BTW- scer, tht kit is of a flatbed prime mover version of the 251 halftrack. its got an armored cab on it for crew protection. thers a 3.7cm flak gun on the back.
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:12 PM
so how's it goin people? makin NE head way?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:00 PM
I got my two hulls put together, but its not that much, still have like 8 steps after it (only 11 or 12 steps)
I need to finish the GBs that end soonest first, like the YG gb ends in early June, and I barely have that done.
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Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:39 PM
hey guys. i kno its been a while since ive posted. the kubel's takin a little longer, as ive got som stuff fro othr GB's ending sooner tht gotta get done. we also have some new guys looking to join, so thisll bring the thread closer to the front for them to find. how's everyone else's builds coming?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:14 PM
Ok I just found this here according to the directions. I will send Panzermann here as well. Is it Ok if we join?? I will be doing the 234/1.

I see scer16 made it here. Why didnt you tell us about this build??

Let us know.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:44 PM
Hi. gringe88.
put me down for the Sd.Kfz.251/9 from the 25th.Pz.Gren.Regt. 12th.SS-Pz.Div."Hitler-Jugen"
The kit is from Tamiya
Happy Modelling panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:53 PM
gringe88 or anyone else out there,

I am doing a 223 right now. Anyone out there know if the 12 SS had it by chance?? Let me know. If not I got others in the stash. Scer16 said it was OK to use the 234 for other builds so you might have to put me down for that.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:42 PM
Ok well I just found out that the 12 SS used a Kubelwagen in Normandy. I have a nice color photo of it in my book. Now I am thinking that I might have to build that. What about figures?? I thought DML/Dragon made 12 SS figures. Anyone know.

Panzermann....my wife would like to talk to you about these group builds!! hee hee.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:31 AM
Hi. gringe88, &all.
Just a bit of info from the SS-"Hitlerjugend" the history of the 12th.SS Div.1943-45.
some of the main Armoured vehicles used were;
Sd.Kfz.7/1 with or with out armoured cab.
Sd.Kfz.11 prime mover for field guns.
Sd.kfz. 250/1 Alte.
Sd.Kfz.251 in the following marks all based on the Ausf D /7,/9,/16 and the/1.
Sd.Kfz.232 with 2cm. gun Caen July 44.
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf J.
Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. A late, G early and late.
most of the Pz. crews wore either the one piece coveralls or U-Boat leathers some wore Italian Cammo as well as the normal SS issue cammo.
Order of Battle May 1944;
12th. SS-Pz.Div. "Hitlerjugend"
Head-Quaters Company.

SS-Pz.Regt.12 consisting of;
I Pz. Abt. coys 1-4
II Pz. Abt. coys 5-9

SS-Pz.Gren. Regt.25 consisting of;
I Btn. 1-4 coys
II Btn. 5-8 coys
III Btn. 9-16 coys

SS-Pz.Gren. Regt 26 consisting of;
As Above Regt.

SS-Panzeraufklarungs Abt.12
3 coys

SS-PzJager Abt. 12
3 coys

SS-Pz.Arty. Regt. 12
I Abt. 1-3 Bty.
II Abt. 4-6 Bty.
III Abt. 7-10 Bty.

SS-Werfer Abt. 12
4 Btys.

SS Flak Abt. 12
5 btys. using Sd.Kfz.7/1 and Flak 38 (t)

SS-Pz. Pioneer Btn. 12
4 coys.

Hope this is of any help ?
Happy Modelling
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 7:58 AM
Great help Panzermann!! Still need to find a kit to do though. Trying to use stuff in the stash before the wife kills me!!!

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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, April 25, 2005 2:37 PM
Hey!! great to see you guys price, panzerman. the more the merrier! forgive my delay in getting back to you, i just got out from class. I dont know how we could of told you about the build, unless i emailed you personally, and that sounded kinda pushy to me.

i dont have much time now, but later today ill make sure to put you guys on the build, and ill try and find out that info you asked for. its good to see you here, we needed some more people
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:12 PM
No biggie gringe88!! Whenever you add us thats fine with me and Panzermann. I was teasing with scer16. He and I are doing the 234 build. Love that car. Anyways, I think I might pony up the money for the Kubel as the SS Armor book I have has a nice color drawing in it. Not sure yet. Building a 223 and had hoped to use that but I dont think they had any. Panzermann found out that they had a 232 that I have but I might save that one. Just dont know!!!

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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:40 PM
ok guys, you're up there. if you do change your builds just let me know and post'um up. now on to other things....

panzerman- could you check that source of yours to find out if the 12th also used a kubel with a radio set up in back? im planning on using tamiya's kit and a conversion set from tiger werke for mine. it looks pretty cool. as of yet, I haven' found any documentation for it in the 12th, but then again, I haven't found any documentation of it in any other units either, so it may just be something they overlooked. It doesn't seem to be have been anything special in my eye, perhaps just used on low level works, its fairly simple looking. (the kubel using this set up was designated the type 821 instead of the 82, just for reference.)

I don't think DML made any 12SS figures, but I do know trumpeter does. but, you don't need the figures to be labeled as from the particular unit. Just take any from the time period and local (DML does have several very nice fig sets from Normandy ) and use them. If you want it all to be stated as from the 12SS, check out archer or go oneline, and buy or print out some of the hitlerjugend armbands (like what's on the 65x65 badge ) and use them. u could even use armabnds from the 1st SS (Leipstandarte Adlf Hitler I believe ) as many of the NCO's and officers were from that unit, and just kept their armabnds. keep in mind though that not every man had the armbands or immediately identifiable designation marks other than rank and such, so really any good fig from the time period could be employed.

As for kits, like i said, DML does have some nice one's; trumpeter is coming out with some stuff; there are several smaller resin kits from companies like Warrior, Verlinden, and Royal Models; or you could take whatever works.

also, thanks a lot for the info panzerman. i posted up some stuff earlier on the first page, including a couple sites and books Ive found that are pretty good.

BTW- price, which book do you have? I just wanna know, im inquisitiveWink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:19 PM
gringe88,

Put me down for both the 234/1 and a Kulewagen. Tamiya for the Kubel. The book I have is SS Armor by Squadron/Signal publications. Pretty good with a lot of photos. Has some nice color drawings of armor from various SS units as well as color drawings of figures from various units. I also have SS The Blood-Soaked Soil, SS Loyalty is My Honor, Armor Battles of the Waffen-SS and SS Steel Rain (maybe). I recommend the SS Armor. I might get the book you suggested by Concord.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:24 PM
Hi. gringe88.
Yep found you your Kubel it was part of the reccon set up.
Also Dragon does a set of figures for the SS - Pz.Gren.Regt.25. in Normandy also you could use the Figure in the NormandyTank Aces set of figures who is dressed in theU-Boat Leathers. can't remember the Numbers sorry but you could also use the new LAH Russia 43 as they have the one piece overalls on.
Hope that this is a help.
Happy Modeling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:42 AM
Hi. gringe88.
I wouldn't bother with the Trumpeter figure set as it's not one of their best.
Dragon do a set of SS-Pz.Gren.Regt.25 also try getting hold of their Arnhem figs as they are also in SS garb,
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:30 PM
oh i know about trumpeter's set panzerman, ive seen it. i never planned on using the set myself, i just put it out there for general info. no, im using a couple dragon sets, some stuff from verlinden, warrior, and i might rework a couple figs i have from tamiya and esci.

smokinprice- ive added the kubel up there

BTW- panzerman, where did you find out about the kubel 821, ive looked all over the palce and i couldnt find a thing. thnx as well!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:44 AM
Hi. gringe88.
I've got some books on the Organisation and deployment of the Pz.Divs 1943-45 and the tables give you a break-down of the various units and sub units with vehicle descriptions and designations it include even the SS in the Order of Battle.
Happy Modeling.
Best Regards panzermann.
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Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, May 1, 2005 8:28 PM
cool, thnx a lot panzerman! it really helps ease my mind.

price, i just got the book SS Steel Rain, a very ncie book i might add. thnx for bringing it to my attention. ill be using it a lot in my build
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 1, 2005 8:59 PM
gringe88,

Good deal. I would also highly recommend the book SS Armor by Squadron/Signal publications. I just saw it on Ebay. Super book. Better than Steel Rain in MHO. Let me know if you need anything else.

Update on my progress....there is none. I had found a Kubel and then lost it due to it not being In Stock. Then Panzermann hooked me up with one and I got the "In Stock" one finally. So just waiting for them to arrive. Hope everyone is doing well with theirs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 2, 2005 8:30 AM
Hi. smokin.
so are you going to build both Kubels then,he.he.he. Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]
Happy Modelling
Regards panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 2, 2005 4:16 PM
Panzermann,

Dont know yet. Probably though but not at the same time. Can never have too mnay right??? Hee hee!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 2, 2005 5:09 PM
Hi. scer16. and smokin.
Boy have I got some bad news for you guys.Boohoo [BH]Boohoo [BH]
The Mudguards are too narrow and have to be widened by inserting a 1.5mm fillet into the upper surface of both mudguards as the Italeri Kit Instructions have made a boo,booOops [oops]Oops [oops]Thumbs Down [tdn] as the jerrycans should not be acctualy on the edge of the mudguards but should be more towards the centre sorry lads.
You can find the artical in Xtreme Modelling #9.
Happy (sawing) Modelling.
Deepest Regrets panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 1:06 PM
Hi. All
Just got the new Concord book on the "Hitler Jurgend" has got some good pics but the colour art work is terrible as two pages are taken from the box art of the Late Panther Ausf.A and the SS-Pz.Gren.Regt.25. which I feel is a bit of a let down if you look at the other two books on the SS by Concord.SoapBox [soapbox].
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 4:01 PM
Figures!!! Of course I have it coming in the mail.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:10 PM
Hi. smokin.
We need to collaberate on what books and other items we are getting as we seem to be thinking along the same lines fairly regulary.Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]
Happy Modelling pal.!
Best Regards panzermann, Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:45 PM
Hi Panzermann,

I agree!!! We seem to be buying the same books. You need to pick some and I will pick some to buy. Problem is the whole ocean thingy!!!!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 2:57 AM
Hi. smokin.
What are we doing now! we're exchanging info over the net or we could do it snail mail he he hope that every things going ok with your build.
Happy Modelling Buddy.
Regards panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:19 PM
Hi.All.
Just a quick update I've replaced the Tamiya's L24 and I'm using the one from the Dragon 3 in 1 for the 251Ausf D as this is a better representation of the gun also the detail is more crisp and I'll be adding the missing radio operators folding seat it also comes from the 3 in 1 wil post some pics later when I've assembeled the lower hull and running gear.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by gringe88 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 7:54 PM
wow, sounds like u guys are making some good progress. as for me- there is none. school is becoming an ever-present annoyance as the year winds down. hope to get some work done soon tho. happy modeling!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:46 PM
gringe88,

Wait till you get a job!! Even more of a drag!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 6:07 AM
Hi. gringe88.Sign - Ditto [#ditto]Sign - Ditto [#ditto]
Once you leave and start working ok you got the bucks to buy what you like but when those bills start coming in you'll wish you were back in school,Hee Hee.
Happy Modelling.
Regards panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 6:27 AM
Hi.All
Just thought I'd let you have the titles of two books that I use for my references if they be of any help to anyone just ask and I'll look up the info you need.;
Waffen SS at War. and Men of Steel which deals with the Ardennes and the Eastern Front 1944-45.
This one gives you an exact break downs of the main combatants elements of Germany, US Army and the Russian infantry, Armoured Corps and Divisions used in the conflicts also includes maps, Kampf Gruppen (combat groups) Names from 1st.SS-Pz.Div. and 12th.SS-Pz.Div.
Also Complete Unit Listings Allied and Axis.
Happy Modelling
Regards panzermann.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 12:04 PM
Panzermann,

Thanks for the info. I guess I will have to make another purchase. O by the way.....my wife wants to speak with you!!!!!!!!! Big Smile [:D] Something about spending all of our money....I blamed you! Hee hee
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:10 PM
Thanks.smokin.
Thats fine with me I'll just tell about the 1/16th R/C King Tiger thatyour buying for her wedding anniversary. Hee,Hee.Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]
Happy Modelling Buddy
Regards panzermann. Whistling [:-^]Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, May 6, 2005 4:05 PM
i see u guys are getting along veeeery nicely. hehe

im off for a model show tomorrow guys. wish me luck!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 5:04 PM
Hi. gringe88.
You go and enjoy yourself at the show I reckon you'll come home with at least 3 kits minimum and say 2 books. hee hee.Wink [;)]Wink [;)].
Happy Modelling enjoy yourself.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 11:13 PM
gringe88,

First good luck tomorrow. I trust you will be entering stuff. i agree with Panzermann. You or your parents will be buying you stuff. Second, yeah Panzermann and I play well together. Might even say we have become pretty good friends. What is this Panzermann, Group Build number 4 or 5 for us?!?!?!?!?!?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 7, 2005 2:05 PM
Hi. smokin.
Yep sounds about right you keep dragging me into all these Group builds just because you know I'm weak. Hee Hee
Will post some pics next week with the progress report.
Happy Modelling everyone.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 7, 2005 5:05 PM
Hey All,

Thanks to my boy Panzermann, I have a Kubel. It arrived today fresh from England. As soon as I finish with my schwimmy, I will start on it. gringe88 hope the show went well. Should come home with lots of goodies.
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Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:51 PM
you were right guys, i came home with a couple books, one specifically on the 12, the SS-Hitlerjugend. pretty good book. i also got some other little small things, but not as much as i have at other showsBig Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

i also took a gold and best junior. plus i met up with tankmaster, who came up for the show. he won in juniors too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 7:47 AM
Hey gringe88,

Thats great!!! Congrats!!! Which model did you enter and win with??? Told you that you would get stuff there. I think it is impossible to go to a show and not buy something! Congrats again. Party [party]Party [party]Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 1:21 PM
Hi. gringe88.
Well done on your GOLDBow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Whistling [:-^]Whistling [:-^].
What did you enter? also what do you think of the "HitlerJugend" book I found it not upto Concord's usual standards as the lack of colour artwork was disapointing to say the least!!!.
Happy Modelling
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Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, May 8, 2005 3:37 PM
hey thanks a lot guys!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D] i entered my Pz. 38(t) ausf. B and my 82nd Airborne two man bazooka team in normandy. i won with the Pz. 38.

the concord book is nice. i don't care much about the color photos, i already have several sources for uniforms, camo's and etc.etc. what i like is the resource of period photographs. in particular the info on the Pz. IV's and such. very nice. i also like such pics because of their inspirational value. an interesting item or gun positions or way a knocked out tank looks can be very useful when planning out a dio, and the fact that they're from the region and unit you're building a dio around makes them handy in confirming aspects of a piece prior to construction.
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:25 PM
Hmm... I wish I had something for this buiuld. Yeah, matt I was surprised that you din't buy an armful of kits. (I surprised myselkf that I only bought 2.) Did these guyts use 251 halftracks?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 9, 2005 6:36 AM
Hi. Tankmaster7.
Yep by the bucket full they even had the 251/16 flamm but on a D chassis also they used 251/9, 251/7 along with the Pz. IV, Wesp's and Sd.Kfz. 7/1 with and without the armoured cab.
hope that this helps .
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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 9, 2005 6:42 PM
as you can see tanky, these boys are just a tub full of info that they are itching to spill out for you. i wasnt surpirsed that much by what i bought. lately ive stuck to adding to my AM and diorama add-ons. besides, i dont have that much money left over from BUFFCONBlack Eye [B)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:19 AM
Hi.All.
Just about time for an update, I've replaced some of the Tamiya items with parts from Dragon's 3 in 1 251 Ausf. D as I'm not going to use their /9 version so the Ammunition box has been replaced as the Tamiya one was molded closed also the interior was lacking to say the least, have replaced the radio and frame as the Dragon version has a speaker included on to the side of the frame, also the power relay for the radio, the radio operator's folding seat, the ready round box this is fitted to the R/H/side just to the rear of the mount.
The only thing on the Armament to be changed is the gun barrel for a Jordi Rubio barrel.
Eduard PE is being used along with the tracks from Dragon. all lockers are staying closed as the Vehicle will be heavily cammouflarged with long grass secured to the sides with wires from the tie-downs.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:07 PM
Is it too late to jump in on this group build? Also, what if it's 100% done? I have a late Panther G form the Ardennes. I'm friends with the the real-life commander too - kinda cool huh:)?
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:05 PM
question, does the dragon 3 in 1 251 ausf c come with markingd for the 12 SS? If not where could I get them? I'm not sayin I'm in though... yet.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:26 PM
Tankmaster7,

Stop stalling and join. You know you want to!!! Geezzzz!!! Big Smile [:D] I dont think it does by the way. You will probably have to order them, download them, or make them yourself. Now stop resisting and join!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:28 PM
Scott_Negron,

Joining is up to gringe88 as he is running the show. What do you mean its 100% done?? Just a question but why join if you finished it already?? So did you make the tank after the commander's tank?? If so, that is cool.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:19 PM
Hi. tankmaster7.
The best thing to do is to get hold of the SS-Pz.-Divs. from Archer Fine Dry Rub decals as they have a good range of various markings and the Unit insignia's come in diferent sizes on the one sheet, you get about 7 - 8 different SS units on the sheet.
Hope that this helps you.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:49 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] ive got the archer dry-transfers set which im planning on using. its a good set, made up of the unit emblem of the 12SS in varying sizes. and yea man, stop dragging your feet and join already!!


Scott Negron- Hi! i just gotta ask one question. what do you mean by 100% done? if you;ve already built the model, then im afraid you wouldnt be able to use it for this GB. the point of the GB's is so that you can build the model during the time of teh build.

Never the less, I'd be glad if you could join in! if you cant use your panther, then maybe you could enter in with another model. hope you can join in.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 8:30 AM
Hi. All.
It's update time from overthe pond,
Have finished the L24 main gun decided not to use the metal barrel will keep it for my Dragon stummel have only to add a few pieces of etched to the safety cage of the gun and new mounts for the spent shell cases.
The Eduard set is neat as it also includes masks for the veh. numbers only downer is it just replaces the one supplied with the kit decals.
Happy Modelling to all.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 11:20 AM
Yes, it's done-done. But, how about a King Tiger? When is the deadline?

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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 16, 2005 3:56 PM
the deadline is to whenever you can finish, but preferably to late august.

as far as my references tell me, the 12th never used any king tigers, unless they were issued some for the ardennes offensive or the offensive into Budpest in the last year of the war. otherwise, the heaviest armor they had were panther A's and D's(?) and Mk. IV's of the H/J variety
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 7:36 PM
Hi.gringe88.
The 12th were issued with King Tigers for Budapest but only a few of them will check out my references and let you know their order of battle.
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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 16, 2005 9:35 PM
man, this guy is just a barrel of tidbits. OK, looks like u can use a king tiger scott. just work on finding some research on the specific tigers (unless panzerman gets to it first)Bow [bow]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:50 PM
He is the man!!!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:37 PM
Hi. all.
Just a quick update the drivers compartment is finished and ready to install decided not to use the replacement dash on this build, every thing else is moving along ok.
Happy Modelling
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:42 PM
Nevermind, my goof! I was thinking Battle of the Bulge was the topic and not the 12. SS. How about a jagdpanzer IV? I have both Concord books (Battle of the Bulge and Panzers in the Ardennes), and well as the original (signed by Hubert Meyer:) Fedorowicz hardback (12. SS-Panzer Division). There just aren't many photo's of 12. SS armor in the Bulge. Option 2 is a jagdpanther, but again, no photos!

I'm going to visit my friend Hans Naas Saturday. Unfortunately, the only photo he has is of himself!

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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:46 PM
sure snegron, a jagdpanzer is perfect! they had those. nice snag on the book too. i put up a list of books and sites that could be useful on the first page down a little. i also found another title i might put up:

SS-Hitlerjugend: The History of the Twelfth SS Division 1943-45
by Rupert Butler from Casemate

picked it up at NOREASTCON. a nice book, not too many pics, but still a good read.

[edit]- BTW, scott you using two names here?
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:08 AM
Hey All,

Just wanted to see how everyone is doing. I am still trying to finish my Amphib GB before I start this one. So.....no progress yet. Hope all is well.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 23, 2005 7:20 PM
Hi. All.
getting ready to add the final pieces to the interior then get it all primed and ready for the base coat sould have it ready to do by Thursday-Friday at the latest.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:13 PM
Question... i have a TO&E that states the 12th had a verry limited number of 251s with the 3.7 AA. unfortunaly i cant find a pic. so i am asking for a ruling, should i go with the TO&E or pick another sub. i havent started yet because of the research ,so if i start over
no big deal.. thanks for any input and comments in advance
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:58 PM
Hi.clint.
You'll find that the vehicle in question is not the 251 but the Sd.Kfz.7/2 as the 251 would have been too small to mount the 3.7cm on it . the other main AA carriers the unit used were the Sd.Kfz. 7/1 with and without the Armoured Cab ot the /2 also they had the Flak 38(t) along with some 251/21 Drillings.
Hope that this has been of some help to you
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:51 PM
thanks panzermann for the info. i miss-spoke, when i used the 251 designation. my main concern is the lack of photographic evidence of their use. if you or anyone else could help in this i would be very grateful.i have checked the books in the original thread above but couldnt find anything on this vehicle.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 30, 2005 3:57 AM
Hi. clint.
There's some reference pics of the 12th. using the Sd.kfz.7/1 in Normandy, but the only reference I've got is from the Battles around Budapest where they were used in both the AA and Ground roles.
Hope this helps you to decide.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 6, 2005 7:20 PM
Hi. All.
A quick update all the sub assy are all sprayed dark yellow have started to paint the individual pieces of the interior ie; seats the radio instalation will be painted tomorrow along with the driver's controls and the dash and front armoured glass of the drivers vision block.
Hopefully there should be final pics posted within the next 10 days.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:47 AM
Hey All,

I havent been around for awhile. Had a family emergency. Hopefully I will be able to get back to modelling real soon. Due to the emergency, I havent had a chance to do a thing lately. Actually more like a month! I just wanted to check and see how everyone was doing. Hope all is well. Take care.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 4:23 PM
Hi. All.
Quick update from over the pond.
Cammo scheme done, interior to be weathered,will be putting washes on the vehicle in 2 - 3 days once the matt coat has dried then I get some pics onto the site,
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 7:20 PM
I wish to join with a 234/2 puma and is different than the model to join the 234 GB ( 234/1 )

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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:50 PM
hey guys. glad to see everyones coming along. sorry ive been away so long, i had to finish up school and some other stuff.

panzer67- thats great, just as long as you have references that of the vechile you are building, or one similar to it. i also don't really mind if yopu use it in another build, i just put in that law to prevent some real cheaters from screwing around and boasting about how many builds they're in. so Sign - Welcome [#welcome]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:09 AM
hi guys did the hj have panzerjager lang 70's??
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:56 AM
gringe88 and others,

Thought I would mention that I was in Borders Book Store last night. There I found volume two of a book called 12 SS. Not a lot of photos but more of a story line about them. I might make a purchase in the near future. It is made by the same company who published Tigers in the Mud and Armour Battles of the Waffen SS. Anyways, there it is.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 18, 2005 6:46 PM
hi. all.
Have just finished the SdKfz 251/9 will post some pics on Monday after the Club show.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:22 PM
Damn you Panzermann!!! Must be nice. I havent even had a chance to start yet. Of course you know the year I have been having!!!!
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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:43 PM
pg- yeah, i found volume 1 of that same set at my local borders. a very nice storyline like you said, but not many pics. i picked up a new publication from a publisher(?) called Battlefield Europe, on Operation Bluecoat. lots of good pics. theres another book i have on the fight for Hill 112 another very good piece, with a diagram of the battle for villers-bocage, and pics and info concerning the 12 SS as well.i might do an infantry pair vignette about that as well.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:36 PM
Hi.panzer_grenadier.
Yes they did have the Jagdpanzer Lang but only a few were issued to the Panzerjager Kompanie when they entrained to Hungary.
Hope that this is a help to you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:42 PM
Hi. "smokin"
OK you can take those pins out of that effigy you've done of me as I've had nothing but bother with my back.
I Will post the pics over the next day or so, I've also managed to get a HitlerJugend figure from the club show which I will add to the 251/9 over the next few days but will place onto the vehicle for the pics.
Happy Modelling
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:46 PM
Panzermann,

Dont lie!! I know it was you. Oh yes....I know it was you!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:48 PM
To All,

Yes I am still around, I swear! Been having another busy week. Damn that stupid job! Been in a conference all week and then on vacation. Next week I start to build again!!! Or so I think.....
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:39 PM
Hi. All.
Here's the first of my finished build pictures sorry for not posting any before now but have been busy with some other matters,
Hope that you like them ?
The 251/9 is the old Tamiya kit with pieces added from the new Dragon 251 3 in 1 kit
Pieces used were:
Radio instilation,ammo and ready box, Large ammo box as the kit one is molded closed, the folding seat for the radio operator and the Eduard etched set for the 251/9.







Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:54 PM
Hi All.
Here are the remaining pics enjoy.






Happy Modelling
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 24, 2005 2:32 PM
wow great work, really well done on the interior and camo.
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:41 PM
very nice panzermann. really well done. if ytouve got any in progress pics please try and post um id love to see the work that went in
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:09 AM
Hi.gringe88.
Sorry got no progress pics as I've been having some problems with my photobucket albums.Ashamed [*^_^*]Ashamed [*^_^*]
Happy Modelling
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 27, 2005 9:40 PM
Panzermann,

I have already seen them but am still amazed. Very nice work.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 6:57 AM
hey guys sorry for the long time for a reply thanks for the info panzermann, also guy i had some free time this week and i built the old tamiya pak 40 im goin to put it in a lil dio it would be of the HJ anit tank team in cean so i'm goin to do the base coat and hopeful have it done soon('er' or later)
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 11:53 AM
excellent panzermann!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 1:55 PM
Hi. All.
Thanks for your comments just to let you know I entered the 251/9 in a local model show competition and recived a 1st for the model. Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]
Hope that you all enjoy your builds.
Happy Modelling.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 3:10 PM
Congrats brother!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Party [party]Bow [bow]Bow [bow] You are the man!
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, July 15, 2005 8:48 PM
wow, congrats panzermann! you did some excellent work on that pieceParty [party]Party [party]Cool [8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:40 AM
Alright....I am starting my Kubel today. Already have it primed and ready to go. Does anyone out there know where I can get some 12 SS markings for it?? Does Archer do some?? Please let me know. Thanks in advance!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:17 PM
OK so I have been working on the schwimmy lately and had to wait for some paint to dry. I suddenly had a burning desire to continue building so I picked up the Kubelwagen. I started it 5 days ago. For me being this far is most excellent. All I have left to do is add the doors and top. Then I can weather it a bit after I touch it up. Not a lot really and plan to finish it by the end of the weekend. Let me know please what you think. I went with the old stand by of Panzer Gray. I ordered some Archer transfers that contain some 12 SS signs. They should be here by next week or so I hope.






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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, July 22, 2005 9:50 AM
looking good smokin price, post up some more pics when its done!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 22, 2005 12:01 PM
Thanks gringe88. I will add some more photos when I can. I got the doors on last night after I took these. It is coming along nicely!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:27 PM
Hey All,

I finished the Kubelwagen tonight. I am just painting the figure with it and waiting for my 12 SS markings to come in. I will post some photos soon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 25, 2005 9:50 PM
Howdy All,

Here is the finished Kubelwagen. All I have to do is finish the figure that comes with it and then weather it. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.







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Posted by gringe88 on Monday, July 25, 2005 10:36 PM
look sreal good from here. you thought about weatherin it? BTW- what are u using to paint it with?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:45 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gringe88

look sreal good from here. you thought about weatherin it? BTW- what are u using to paint it with?


Havent started with the weathering yet because I dont know what I want to do with it. I have a 251/1 thats sitting around and I might put the two together for a diorama. Dont know yet. As for the painting it was done by brush and spray paint using Model Masters Panzer Gray. Thanks for the kind words. I got the second coat on the figure's jacket and pants last night. He is going to have camo pants when I am done!
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:45 AM
actually i was referring to the figure, i thot he was coming along well, and i wondered how you got such good looking coats on him. i tend to have trouble with that sorta thing.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by gringe88

actually i was referring to the figure, i thot he was coming along well, and i wondered how you got such good looking coats on him. i tend to have trouble with that sorta thing.


Oh sorry gringe88. My bad. I have been painting figures for years. I have over 325 54mm figures and thousands of 1/72 scale figures. Plus I cast my own. Anyways, I used a small brush and regular Model Master enamel paints. Went with Panzer Olive Grun for the coat and some type of brown that I cant read for the pants. Tonight I am going to use some Red Brown and Green for the camo. Hope that helps!
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:01 PM
are you doing an italian style camo?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:02 PM
I actually found a photo of a 12 SS soldier in one of my books that is wearing something similar. I am sure that doesnt help though! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:38 PM
well, the italian camos were actually made out of italian tents, cut up and resown (so ive heard). you can never be sure tho. it sounds interesting. keep positn up picks price!
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, August 5, 2005 2:00 PM
well considering that nobody appears to have added anything that they've built recently, ill take it that people are still workin on stuff, or havent found the time yet. There's an update with more info on the first page in the updates part. hope everybody's doing well. post back when you make prgress!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 5, 2005 9:17 PM
i couldnt find any photos of the 3.7 half track in the 12th ss,but i found a couple of 251s so i bought the DML 251 d 3-1. i have the running gear and int. done and will post some pics. soon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 1:34 PM
Hey gringe88 and others,

I have been working on my Kubel and figure. Almost done with both. I am still waiting on my Archer Transfers to arrive though. I should have some photos to post tonight hopefully of the figure. Take care!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 9:49 PM
Alright here is my progress so far. I am almost done with the figure. Let me know what you all think.








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Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:33 PM
looks good overall price. I'd try to shade and highlight him a bit. try a general dark wash over the clothes, and a redish brown over the flesh parts, then use the color on eash clothing part that appears the most, or is the base color, lighten it, and use it to highlight the upper sides of folds. do the same for the flesh. hirghlight seems with a brush and the wash again, but this time, painting it onto the seems, and narrow regions like under the pockets, so as to highlight and pronounce them. that should really bring out what you've already done
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:03 PM
Thanks for the tips gringe88. BTW how goes your build???
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:41 AM
Alright well my Archer Transfers finally came in yesterday. I should have them on hopefully this weekend.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:57 PM
Ok well I didnt/havent gotten my transfers on yet. BTW is anyone still doing this build?? Havent heard from anyone in a while.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 2:01 PM
almost finished 234/2 for weekend will upload the pics...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 2:29 PM
Im using my Puma from the 234
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 26, 2005 2:49 PM
AAHHH OK. Well at some point I need to get my transfers on. Has anyone out there used them before and has any pointers for me??
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:51 PM
almost finished...






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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:07 PM
That looks good! What scale is it?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:34 PM
this is the italeri sdkfz 2342 puma in 1/ 35

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Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:46 PM
ok, i know i havent been here. i ve had some serious delays as you can see. i put this build on hold for a while (personally) thanks to a hitch in my layout of my dio. it may not seem like much but, im a rivet counter, so i had to deal with it. ive been doing some other builds in the meantime. im sorry if you guys thought this thing was dead. i just havent been keeping up with things.

panzer- the puma looks excellent. the paint has a nice faded look to it. post up some more pics.

price- i havent used my archers yet, but i have used other transfers before. you have to be careful with them, and position them exactly where you want them to go prior to putting them on, because once they're on, they're on. you use something called a transfer sheet to set the decals. using a pencil eraser or something with a blunt end, you burnish the transfer onto the carrying sheet. then you psition thedecal where you want it on the model,a nd burnish it on from the carrying sheet. you have to make sure that youve burnished all the decal completely before removing the sheet from the original sheet or the model, because otherwise youll be left with only parts of the decal, and itll be ruined like a water set thats shattered.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM
Hey gringe,

Thanks for the heads up on the transfers. I will be the first to admit that I did thing this thread was dead. Sorry to hear about your set back. Hope all goes well for you. I have not put the transfers on yet. I simply havent had the time due to work. I cant wait to see some photos!
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Posted by gringe88 on Friday, September 30, 2005 3:20 PM
me too price. this has been VERY aggrivating for me.(sigh).......iv got to get more done on my piece. ill see what i can do
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 4, 2005 10:50 AM
Gringe,

How goes it? Anymore work done?
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