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Here are most of the SAC aircraft that I've found,

Attack Aircraft,

Grumman SA-16, (later called HU-16)

Bomber Aircraft,

Boeing B-29,B-50 Superfortress

Convair B-58 Hustler

Boeing B-47 StratoJet,  FMModel, 1/72 B-47E Stratojet

Convair B-36 Peacemaker, Wirraway, 1/72 B-36 Peacmaker

Boeing B-52 Stratofortress, R-CMan73 1/72 B-52

? FB-111

North American RB-45C Tornado

Martin RB-57F Canberra, 

North American XB-70 Valkyrie 

Rockwell B-1, Usaf Ssgt B-1A

Cargo and Transport Aircraft,

Curtiss C-46 Commando

Douglas C-47 Skytrain

Douglas C-54 Skymaster

Boeing C-97 Stratofreigther

Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar

Fairchild C-123 Provider

Douglas C-124 Globemaster II

Beech C-45 Expiditer

Douglas C-54 Cargomaster

Fairchild C-119 Packet

Fairchild C-123

Douglas C-124 Globemaster II

Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker

Gates C-21 LearJet

Command AirCraft-

Boeing E-4A/B Flying Command Post, R-CMan73, 1/72 E-3 Heller/ mph34 1/72 E-3A AWACS

? EC-135 Looking Glass

? RC-135 Command Posts

Boeing E-48 NOAC

VC C-5A Galaxy

Fighter Aircraft,

Republic F-80 Shooting Star

North American F-82 Twin Mutang

Republic F-84 Thunderjet, Yardbird78 1/48 F-84F Thunderstreak

North American F-86 Sabre

North American F-51 Mustang

Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star

North American F-82 Twin Mustang

Republic RF-84K Thunderflash

McDonnell F-101A Voodoo

Convair F-102 Delta Dagger

Lockheed F-104 Starfighter

General Dynamics FB-111 Ardvard

Reconnaissance Aircraft,

Lockheed U-2A, C Spyplane small Dragon Lady

Lochheed U-2R or TR-1 Large Dragon Lady, DesertRat, 1/48 U-2R

Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird

Cessna U-3A, U-38 Blue Canoe

DeHavilland U-6 Beaver 

Tankers,

Boeing KB-29 Tanker

Boeing KC-97 Stratotanker

Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker

McDonald Douglas KC-10 tanker

Trainers,

Raytheon T-6A Texan II

North American T-28 Trojan

Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star

Northrop T-38 Talon

DeHavilland DV-18 Twin Otter

Convair T-29 Flying classroom

Lockheed T-33

North American T-39 Sabreliner

Oh man, I wish I could get in on this one but I'm just not able to. I'm a SAC vet; I was a KC-135 crew chief in the early Nineties.

That brings me to the following: As you can see by my post, SAC lasted a long way past 1970. The command was broken up in 1992.

The SAC bomber assets were joined to the Tactical Air Command fighter and fighter-bomber force to form Air Combat Command. The tankers were joined with Military Airlift Command to form Air Mobility Command. The missiles were joined with the Navy's ballistic sub force to form Strategic Command, better known as STRATCOM.

Bah, a pox on you and your groupbuild, you tempt me sorely.

I have already over extended myself with GB's currently but I will re-evaluate my position in a couple months as I have been having a very strong urge to build a B-58.

BTW for your list the B-58 was built by Convair.

Thanks Aaronw, I couldn't find the name of the builder.

I've found to great sites for finding info, pictures, different models on the aircraft.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/home.htm

Oh man, I got one too many group builds going on right now, but I'd love to join in. Are cross-overs allowed?

Charlie

Ok listen up , those who are joining post what aircraft your going to do.  And I'll add your name to the master list.  More than one person can do the same aircraft to.

Charlie , cross-overs are allowed

I was a "SAC Weenie" or "SAC Trained Killer" for 16 years, 1963 to 1979, so I am "obligated" to enter this Group Build.  I worked with the SR-71 for 12 years so I should build one of those, but I would prefer to do something different.  I would like to enter a Monogram 1/48 F-84F Thunderstreak.

Your list of candidate aircraft includes several that I don't think were ever part of SAC and I can add several to the list that were.

First the ones that weren't part of SAC.

A-1 Skyraider

AC-119

AC-130

A-10

C-133 (it hauled SAC's missiles, but as part of TAC)

C-141

C-5A

C-9

C-17

C-27

EC-121

E-3A AWACs

E-8C

F-89

F-94

F-100

F-104

F-111, (FB-111 was, but not standard F-111)

F-4 Phantom

F-5

F-15

F-16

F-22

T-1

Darwin, O.F.  

Aircraft that WERE part of SAC include:

Grumman SA-16, (later called HU-16) Albatross

Cessna U-3A and U-3B Blue Canoe

DeHavilland U-6 Beaver

Sikorsky H-19 or S-55 Chocktaw

Bell UH-1B and UH-1N Iroquois, affectionately called "HUEY"

North American F-51 Mustang

Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star

North American F-82 Twin Mustang

Republic F-84E Thunderjet

Republic F-84F Thunderstreak 

Republic RF-84K Thunderflash

North American F-86 Sabrejet

McDonnell F-101A Voodoo

Convair F-102A Delta Dagger

North American B-25 Mitchell

Douglas A-26 or B-26 Invader

Boeing B-29 Superfortress

Convair B-36 Peacemaker

North American RB-45C Tornado

Boeing B-47 Stratojet 

Boeing B-50 Superfortress

Boeing B-52 Stratofortress

Martin RB-57D/F Canberra

Convair B-58 Hustler

North American XB-70, (not operationally, but prototype carried SAC shield)

Boeing E-4A/B Flying Command Post

Beech C-45 Expediter

Douglas C-47 Goony Bird

Douglas C-54 cargomaster

Fairchild C-82 Packet, (forerunner of C-119)

Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar or Dollar Nineteen

Fairchild C-123 Provider

Douglas C-124 Globemaster II

Lockheed DC-130A Hercules, drone carrier

Hiller HH-43 Pedro

Convair T-29 Flying classroom

Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star

Cessna T-37 Tweety Bird (the almighty TWEET)

Northrop T-38 Talon

North American T-39 Sabreliner

Lockheed U-2A & C, small version of Dragon Lady

Lockheed, U-2R or TR-1 large version of Dragon Lady

IThere were probably others that I am overlooking.  This list is definately not all inclusive.

Darwin, O.F.

FeldMarSchall Model wrote:

Yardbird, thanks for the update on the list.  Im not sure but don't think the F-117 was apart of SAC?

Correct.  The Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk was never part of SAC.

Darwin, O.F.

mr.chex-

You're lucky to live near the SAC museum, I have been there many times on my way to visit my father in Lincoln.  Very cool aircraft there!

Hey fellas,

As the name suggests, I don't know a great deal about the USAF... but I am interested in the GB:

Does the model need to be an aircraft simply used by SAC, or should it be in SAC markings?  Would a C-54 in markings for the Berlin Airlift count?

Flynavy1958

I can't join the group build, but I can't help but notice that Yardbird stated SAC did not use the T-37.

While I certainly won't argue strongly with one who was actually a member of the organization; I do recall taking a tour of Fairchild AFB back in 87 when BUFFs were still there and being quite surprized by the sheer abundance of Tweets out on the tarmac. When I asked one of the bomber crew guys about it, he told me all bomber units had a fleet of T-37s or T-38s in adition to the bombers so that the bomber pilots could keep their flight hours up to quota but without the staggering expense of doing it in the bombers themselves.

I also recall an airshow in my hometown a few years later when a B-1 was brought up from Grand Forks AFB and two T-38s came with it and I do recall that at least one of the Talons had matching unit markings to the Bone.

So I suppose my question for Yardbird is, would those T-37s and T-38s attached to SAC bomber wings actually be considered SAC aircraft or just "loaners" from Training Command?

In any case, I'd think they'd be eligible for this GB as they were utilised on a regular basis by SAC crews even if Training Command might have had ultimate official jurisdiction over them.

I can remember T-38s flying formation with the Blackbird at Beale, but I don't know anything about the T-37 being used like that. 

Grandma L 

upnorth wrote:

I can't join the group build, but I can't help but notice that Yardbird stated SAC did not use the T-37. While I certainly won't argue strongly with one who was actually a member of the organization; I do recall taking a tour of Fairchild AFB back in 87 when BUFFs were still there and being quite surprized by the sheer abundance of Tweets out on the tarmac. When I asked one of the bomber crew guys about it, he told me all bomber units had a fleet of T-37s or T-38s in adition to the bombers so that the bomber pilots could keep their flight hours up to quota but without the staggering expense of doing it in the bombers themselves. I also recall an airshow in my hometown a few years later when a B-1 was brought up from Grand Forks AFB and two T-38s came with it and I do recall that at least one of the Talons had matching unit markings to the Bone. So I suppose my question for Yardbird is, would those T-37s and T-38s attached to SAC bomber wings actually be considered SAC aircraft or just "loaners" from Training Command? In any case, I'd think they'd be eligible for this GB as they were utilised on a regular basis by SAC crews even if Training Command might have had ultimate official jurisdiction over them.

Several SAC bases definately DID use the T-38 as a proficiency trainer as indicated by upnorths description.  I am not aware of the T-37 being used in that role, but that does NOT mean that it didn't happen on one or more SAC bases.  The T-38s at Beale were used by both SR-71 and U-2 pilots, (as well as VIP officers to accrue their minimum monthly flying hours), for currency training and chase plane for the SR-71.  During the early stages of the SR program, there were two T-38 chase planes each time the SR flew a mission.  Later, this was reduced to one chase plane and still later to only when there was a problem or special need for the Talon.  Of course the T-38 could only keep up with the SR in the sub-sonic or low super sonic portions of the flight.  They were officially SAC aircraft and carried appropriate markings.

Darwin, O.F.

Allow me to settle this, if I may. When I was stationed at Wurtsmith with the 379th Bombardment Wing (Heavy), we had a number of T-37 Tweets that were used by the bomber pilots and occasionally some of the tanker pilots--it's easier to get flight time in tankers, for obvious reasons. We were a SAC wing with B-52Gs and KC-135As. My wife's post was at the weather station, which was right next to the section of ramp the Tweets were parked on...I've teased her a couple of times that when my skills get better I'm going to build her a Tweet model with a sound card in the display case so she can push a button and relive the joys of having one taxi by her window.

I cannot confirm whether these Tweets were owned by Air Training Command or the Mighty SAC, but SAC pilots were virtually the only users while they were at these bases.

So, it's not my build (and heck, I'm not even in it!) but I'd suggest the Tweets are good to go.

yardbird78 wrote:

upnorth wrote: I can't join the group build, but I can't help but notice that Yardbird stated SAC did not use the T-37. While I certainly won't argue strongly with one who was actually a member of the organization; I do recall taking a tour of Fairchild AFB back in 87 when BUFFs were still there and being quite surprized by the sheer abundance of Tweets out on the tarmac. When I asked one of the bomber crew guys about it, he told me all bomber units had a fleet of T-37s or T-38s in adition to the bombers so that the bomber pilots could keep their flight hours up to quota but without the staggering expense of doing it in the bombers themselves. I also recall an airshow in my hometown a few years later when a B-1 was brought up from Grand Forks AFB and two T-38s came with it and I do recall that at least one of the Talons had matching unit markings to the Bone. So I suppose my question for Yardbird is, would those T-37s and T-38s attached to SAC bomber wings actually be considered SAC aircraft or just "loaners" from Training Command? In any case, I'd think they'd be eligible for this GB as they were utilised on a regular basis by SAC crews even if Training Command might have had ultimate official jurisdiction over them. Several SAC bases definately DID use the T-38 as a proficiency trainer as indicated by upnorths description.  I am not aware of the T-37 being used in that role, but that does NOT mean that it didn't happen on one or more SAC bases.  The T-38s at Beale were used by both SR-71 and U-2 pilots, (as well as VIP officers to accrue their minimum monthly flying hours), for currency training and chase plane for the SR-71.  During the early stages of the SR program, there were two T-38 chase planes each time the SR flew a mission.  Later, this was reduced to one chase plane and still later to only when there was a problem or special need for the Talon.  Of course the T-38 could only keep up with the SR in the sub-sonic or low super sonic portions of the flight.  They were officially SAC aircraft and carried appropriate markings. Darwin, O.F.

I too was a member of SAC. Yes SAC did use T-37's as trainers. Here is a link with all aircraft that was used by my beloved SAC

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/aircraft/0-aircraft_home_page.htm

There are 68 total aircraft used by SAC

4 Attack Aircraft

9 Bombers

16 Cargo

7 Command

19 Fighters

2 Reconnaissance

4 Tankers

7 Trainers

If all is possible I was a Phase Dock Inspecter on the E-3 Awacs I would ilke to join if cross-building is allowed. All I have done at this time for another GB is some paint. If this is O.K I would like to enter with this aircraft. If it is not then I would like to do a B-52.

                                                                                       Thanks R-CMAN73

I wanted to build the XB-70, but lack of space for a 32" long finished model put the kabosh on it.

Herr Feldmarschall, 

 Put me down for a B57 Intruder in 1/72 by Revell (my oldest kit, and time for it to graduate OOB)

Do we hav e a GB logo yet ?  I'm sure there is someone computer literate that can do something with the SAC sash. (I've always liked that iron fist with the lightning bolts coming out of it)

R-CMan73, Cross/overs are allowed.  Your entering a E-3 Awacs, and a B-52?

Wirraway, I'll put you down for that.  I've got some Sac logos, just need to resize them in photoshop.

Herr Feldmarschall/Yardbird

I may have jumped the gun here - the RB-57F was the long wing/recon/surveillance bird, correct ?  What I have is a B-57B.  Was that still a SAC aircraft ?