"Mein Panzer Ist Nicht Ihre Stütze" Tiger Diorama WiP - Updated 18-11-13

Pawel

Hey Karl - it could be related to the German "der Stuhl" - a chair. What do you say? Have a nice day

Paweł

Nice to see this one back, looking good.

I had forgotten about this one. Glad to see you and it back at the bench. Your attention to detail is awesome.

Konigwolf13

Have to admit I wasn't following from the first post; but have caught up to date and MAN are you a builder! 

The work looks great.  

But as I'm an airplane builder, I'm sorta confused......where do the wings go?  

Sorry, I'll go over here and be good now. 

Hey Karl - it could be related to the German "der Stuhl" - a chair. What do you say? Have a nice day

Paweł

Looks like you're back with a vengeance, Koenigswolf! This is an amazingly beautiful model so far!

Hey, about that "prop" word. The word used in coal mines to describe a "prop" was a "stull". I wonder if that's somehow related to the German?

Hello!

Welcome back and good luck with this project this time!

Paweł

Well its been a fair time but back working on this project, here is where I got last time I posted progress

Here is where I got to before the project got shelved the last almost three years.

Ok the main 'problem'  I had with continuing further was the decision on how to do the turret. The Dragon  kit had MUCH finer detail but being the initial type tiger had a pistol port on the right hand side not ammo loading hatch like the tank I am doing. The academy had the internal molded detail and correct hatch but molding not as fine. Finally made the decision to use both. Using the Academy side and Dragon roof. will go together without any major modification fitting well.

And here is about where I am now.

Now I have this project back on the bench and over this hurdle I hope to making decent progress on it.

Sorry to hear about your health issues Andrew but glad to see you've been able to make some more progress with this build. Looking forward to more as you're able!

Greg thanks for the reply, yes there will be crew. As for an update? No photos at the moment, spent the evening doing research on this beast (again) and putting the fuel tanks and radiators together. Hope to have some spray time tomorrow pics after thats done.

Andrew

                              Wonderful work so far Konigwolf13, the pics are a bit dark,I was watching a couple of the Academy Tigrs on E-bay but it seems the prices took a bit of a jump. The interior is coming along quite nicely,are there plans for a crew? I will be patiently awaiting the next update.

                                                             Greg"Detailfreak"Rowley

Pawel, not muchwill be visable, even though all hatches will be open, as for the batteries with the turret floor in place they will be fully covered so none visable at all (As such I'm not bothering putting the lids on them either). I may have to add some wiring to the engine though. More will be visable through the turret than driver/radio stations as their hatches were off to the side not direct above.

Hello!

Good to have you back. I hope your help will not give you more problems. The interior looks fine. I don't know how much of it will be visible after you're done, but if you intend to show the batteries off, a little wiring, at best made out of thin soldering wire would improve the looks dramatically. Keep 'em updates comin', have a nice day

Paweł

Well believe it or not, an update. Between appendictis, post-op issues and all of that sending my bipolar downward I've done not alot model wise for the last 3 months.

Where am I now? Well I had done the main paint of the hull interior and started assembly of transmission and other interior things. Now I have about 75% completed that with some ammo racks and fuel tanks/radiators to go.

Engine, gearbox, driveshaft etc fitted

Floor plates fitted

Same again with batteries still visable

Close up of driver and radioman's office

Drivers guages

Radio equipment

Thats it for now, now that I'm back in the swing of it this should be regular again.

Andrew

well if a fellow german can understand then your title is fine. As for 823 i was told the inside is a light blue but the only thing i was not sure on was how high up the side walls the black floor bed went. I thought the toursion bars was enough and at a comp they dont judge the inside if they dont know its their ;) But my advice would be to leave it the cream colour as just about every comp i have been in only judges by the outside. Just make sure you get the colours right my green was of. And i still have to do the 832 in black with the white painted 823 over the top as i have not found a stencile for it but ill get there. For some reason ex war germans dont want to give out to much infomation on this tank. So i had to go to great lenghts to get the info. I wounder why they keep the info on this tank quiet? maybe it was holding more then meets the eye. Any i have to photo copy my info with a scanner and then ill pass it on to you.

Konigwolf13

Geist, just checked dict.leo and even they translate Prop as Stutze (as in pillar ie a support)

 

Haha I missed that. My bad.

Erik

Well after this little enforced forum break (thanks FSM forums), Letsbefore anymore steam gets vented can we please let the title alone now.

back to the build...

Acording to pics from the Bovington Tiger the upper internal colour came to fininsh at the horizontal for tracks start, according to the Academy manual the upper internal color starts halfway between here and floor, and a image I found today suggests it started at the floor and only the floor of the crew compartment should be the blue/grey. So here I am with yet another dilemma. I might go with the Bovington Tiger version as it looks more striking, but the grease and dirt up the light colour walls in the pic found would be great weathering.

Andrew

I sent it via the pre listed email. (I just clicked the link)

I'll PM my addy to you, see if that works.

Andrew

yes german is dificult so many different ways to say one sentence. ^^ But ill help you with your build as much as i can as this is my fav tank !!! i have yet to recive your email.

P.m. sent

Chad

How come this subject came back? I thought we had it discussed once... First proposal - everybody presenting his/her opinnion on this one does a "hand show" of his/her experience with German language. Let me kick it off - I'm 31 years old, learning German since I was 2, studied in Germany half a year and worked in Germany for three years. So let me be the "cousin" - I say it sounds OK. When a German - speaking person hears this title, without any further info, the first question would be something like "who is leaning agains a tank?". So I guess this is exactly what the OP wanted, right? We also tried other versions, they had the downside of sounding like being said by an a$$hole, whereas this one has the vibe of a good-natured joke. So my proposal - let's leave it like it is and concentrate on some modelling. Whaddya say? Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

Geist, just checked dict.leo and even they translate Prop as Stutze (as in pillar ie a support)

So If my German Dictionary says it, dict.leo says it, babel fish says it and a google search says it is that enough? or what else does it take, maybe my german cousin, I'll ask her next time I'm on facebook?

Andrew

PS just did a another seach on dict.leo and as "rest" translates as "stutze" as well, so I assume I am using the right word,

Prop or Rest translates as Stutze

So "My Tank Is Not Your Prop/Rest" Should be fine as "Mein Panzer Ist Nicht Ihre Stutze" Yes???

My main question with the title was the phrasing not the word translation

My understanding of the word Stuetze is that it refers to things like a prop shaft, prop wash etc. All mechanical terms. You're looking for prop as in a film of photo prop. I don't think such a word exists in German. Translators like babbelfish and google translate can't be trusted for things like this. I prefer sites like www.dict.leo.org if I need to look up German words.

Erik

Chad, go ahead and insult my german all you want, it's crap I know, LOL. As for Stutze, I still get it on babelfish under english-> german for prop, my english/german dictionary has it (Langenscheidt's German-English English-German Dictionary 1970, yes old) and it googles as well as a stutze/prop Deutsches/English?

Lol sorry didnt mean to insult you with your german i should of said no such word as prop (stutze) in the german language. But never the less im looking forward to your finished model.

Ill reply to your email. :)

good luck

-Chad

A far as the other  stuff goes Chad,

E-mail sent, thanks. Sounds interesting.

Scanned over the pages of you MM post, looks great, hope to give it a better look tomorrow.

And thanks for encouragement

Andrew

Greedy

LOL sorry i can tell you used a translator for "Mein Panzer Ist Nicht Ihre Stutze" this dose not make sence. Im half german and the right way to say it is "Mein Panzer ist nicht deine Angelegenheit" wich means "my panzer is not of your concern".

On a better note cant wait to see how your tiger turns out :)

Chad

Problem Chad, thats not what I'm saying (or trying to say at least).

I don't think I originally said that the officer being photographed will be leaning against the Tiger.

So if I understand right (I'm better at Japanese than German), "stutze" is the right word or translation for prop. What I'm saying is My panzer is not your prop/support/pillar, now pun/double entendre that with the other english meaning of prop, ie "stage prop" or in this case a photographic prop. Is this correct with this view of things or am I still way off?

Andrew

PS Yes I did use an translator, but only for the translation of "prop" to "stutze". I know some German, not alot, but some.

LOL sorry i can tell you used a translator for "Mein Panzer Ist Nicht Ihre Stutze" this dose not make sence. Im half german and the right way to say it is "Mein Panzer ist nicht deine Angelegenheit" wich means "my panzer is not of your concern".

On a better note cant wait to see how your tiger turns out :)

Chad

Hey my name is chad connolly i have built 823 for AMMS australia i have alot of documentation on this tank from books to real info sent from friends in deutsch land.

As you can see my colour patens dont much up to well.

And here is the new 832

Paul, considering the Tiger was a resource hog when it came to breakdowns and servicing yes I do plan to add grease stains etc. While I'm not a mechanic I am more than familiar with mechanics and will be drawing on the knowledge and the few internal shots I have of Tigers to weather her internally.  As to how and how much you will have to wait and see (I will be posting pics of finished results and description on how)

Andrew