Yes, another Tiger......

Pics in primer today.....big thanks to Jim, tools came yesterday, all the pieces I needed to finish. Primer is Ktylon red oxide automotive paint, nice tight finish. Time to start looking for a good  Krylon equivalent for German dark yellow. Tracks are done in a mix of Tamiya brown and Citadel boltgun metal, will receive pigments later.

Anyone see anything I need to do before I put color on? Thanks for looking, as always.

Pics are a good tool......I saw and fixed the gouges on the rear hull sides, only noticed after I looked at the pics. Off to the LHS for paint.

Wowza! Looking sharp.

Nice job on the primer. Its an often discussed topic on what colours to use, your choice has come out really well. Will the primer be on of the 3 colours in the camo scheme.

Always amazing what you'll "see" in pics once you've primered...the camera doesn't lie! I use that all the time to check things before I'm too far committed with the paint process. Looks good, keep us posted!

Guys, thanks for commenting. I've gone ahead with the initail color coat and wash/filter, and am ready to start the one camo color, which will probably be green, heavily faded, diluted and worn. I'm undecided on whether or not to do a "dot" scheme. I like the look of it, and since I'm not trying to model an actual specific tank, I may go ahead with it. I'll try and get pics up today, but the initial color is MM modern desert sand, with a filter of Tamiya dark yellow. I then scrubbed most of the filter off, leaving a slightly darker tint on the MM sand. It actually looks like a faded dunkelgelb......

 I have also added mud and dirt to the undercarriage and lower hull, made from ground dried parsley, craft paint and powdered pastel chalk.

Pictures soon mister.

OK, tracks test-fitted (too loose?) integration wash on running gear pieces but not highlighted yet, extra tracks test-fitted to turret. One thing that occurred to me a while back is that I copied the brackets for the two piece tracks and am using the one piece tracks, so they don't match. I'll put that down to late war suppy difficulties.....

Detail painting still to be done but I kind of like the one color. I'm wanting to model a very late war tank here...... Ideas or suggestions?

Tracks look just right to me, nice work! As for the late-war question on camo schemes, a true late-war KT would've had a hard-edge 3-tone factory applied scheme and not left in straight DY. I agree you've got quite a good finish in the monotone scheme as-is and can see why you'd be tempted to leave it in the single color.

I can do that.......

Thaks for checking in!

I rather like that colour as well, this is coming along nicely. As for late war schemes, i am not entirely sure, but i think that hard edged scheme was primer red rather than the usual red brown, at least that what quoted in a few refenrance book i have. But i am not 100% on this period as it can be a bit confuseing. I think wbill will know better.

I assumed thats what you were doing when you painted the red primer.

Bish, I used the red primer because I had it, and because the real thing was in red primer, mainly. I was unsure about what final colors it would be in. The two models I've used as reference are both dark yellow and brown, don't know if it's supposed to be primer or not. Personaly, I like the green and dark  yellow look, but I think it's conjectural. I've got some bench time the next couple of days, we'll see what happens.........

Color!

Vallejo #2030, olivegrun, and MM acryl panzer schokladnbraun (!) applied in two coats, with a brush. Drying now, to be scrubbed nearly off as soon as it's good and dry. Looks pretty scary now......

Green first and second coats:

 And with the brown, first and second coat:

Really scary at this point, but most of the color is coming off........

Brush painted camo. Very interesting. I'm interested in seeing how it looks after you scrub it off.

I'm fired up myself........

Here's a couple of pics after the scrub, clear flat applied. Next will be another filter of Tamiya dk yellow........

Sorry about the focus, got in a hurry I guess.........

BTW, I've done a couple of hard-edged camo jobs with a brush, just have to be patient and use thin paint. I want a very heavily worn look on this one, hence the heavy scrubbing. The scrubbed areas will also be chipped after the filter.

I'll be off the internet  for a couple of days, back with more pics then. Thanks for checking in, as always.

Very interesting. Can't wait to see the final product.

To be honest i am a bit confused about this period of the war. I just know i have read, think is was the osprey New vanguard on the Tiger II, that tanks left the factory in primer red, they then painted the yellow and green over that. But i am not 100% sure thats right. I think for my BoB Tiger II i just went with the usual 3 colour scheme.

I really like the look of this. Is this based on anything you have seen, or is it just your own scheme. Either way i like it alot.

Looks like it's progressing nicely, the three-tone gives it more life IMHO, looking forward to seeing where you take it.

As for the question on primer inclusion in the late-war schemes, that's a hotly debated topic depending on how one interprets the original orders to the factory and which translation you are reading from in the reference materials. Without going into all the gory details, the general consensus is that the orders were revised as a paint-saving measure and what is debated is whether or not the paint-saving measure was inclusion of the primer in the final camo pattern or whether the three-tone scheme was supposed to be applied directly over the primer (meaning no solid vehicle color coat of DY or OG first and then pattern added over that). Personally I lean towards the latter as the Red Oxide primer color doesn't strike me as an effective color for a camo scheme given it's bright-red (Tabasco) color characteristics but others disagree. We may never know for sure 100% which group's interpretation is truly correct.

I didn't think it was clear cut. I think the osprey book is the only source i has read that in. If just going off colour pics, i guess it would be near impossable to tell between primer and the red brown.

So as a model builder, you are safe to choise either way.

It's looking good to me.

Heck it was lookin' good before the extra colors were added anyhow..... I liked that.

Honestly guys, I'm going off of modeling articles, so I really have no idea if it's factual or not.  I do have more pics, and all I can really say at this point is that I should have used a lighter brown. The Vallejo paint is hugely affected by alcohol, MM not so much. This made for some irregularities in the final look, but who's to say what the crew used in the field (insert sound of worm can opening here). Anyway, I think it's time to add the spare tracks on the turret hangers and a commander, who will be the guy that comes in the Tamiya Tiger (P) kit, unless I find a guy on sale in the current Squadron flyer........

I plan to add smoe fuel staining at the vents, and if I had any earthly idea where the fillers were, in that area as well. I also have a hull MG barrel ready to go in.

With a heavy wash of Tamiya dk yellow and a bit of MM brown:

And the model as it is now, with a dusting on the running gear, lower hull and tracks, made from pastel chalk, MM brown and alcohol, to unify everything.

My references and "inspiration" came from Armor (Panzer Aces) issues 8 and 3 and AFV Modeller #52. Two of the subjects are conjectural, but very nice models nonetheless. I have been enjoying this build hugely, and realize there are factual errors, but the model is a great contrast to the Shermans and Pershings in the case. Speaking of contrast, I also realize the yellow is probably too bright, but I like the look anyway. The Tiger (P) I did a short while ago is much darker overall, probably too dark, with much less contrast.

But, such is modeling! Thanks for following, all the feedback has been much appreciated!

Catching up here... your KT is looking great!   Only thing I am not seeing decals unless I missed your earlier comment aboyt not using the decals.

That came out looking nice. I like the heavier weathering of the lower hull.

Andy, I kind of skipped over the decals since I had no idea what I wanted to use. Also, the references I used had minimal or no markings, so I went with it. Turret numbers or "crosses" are not out of the question, however. They could still be blended in to the finish at this stage, I think. I might look for dry transfers, since they are a little easier to work with, IMO.

TM, thanks, I've started trying to show things on display bases and have been adding what I feel is appropriate weathering to running gear and lower hulls. Something relatively new for me, and another dimension of the finishing process that I am enjoying. I wanted to portray an in-action tank, but not something in complete disrepair.

RBaer

Andy, I kind of skipped over the decals since I had no idea what I wanted to use. Also, the references I used had minimal or no markings, so I went with it. Turret numbers or "crosses" are not out of the question, however. They could still be blended in to the finish at this stage, I think. I might look for dry transfers, since they are a little easier to work with, IMO.

I almost skipped the markings on my Jagdtiger, because i liked the look without them. However, to add a little splash, I went in and added them anyways. Probably more accurate in the end too, though my references are lacking for this vehicle.

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RBaer:

Andy, I kind of skipped over the decals since I had no idea what I wanted to use. Also, the references I used had minimal or no markings, so I went with it. Turret numbers or "crosses" are not out of the question, however. They could still be blended in to the finish at this stage, I think. I might look for dry transfers, since they are a little easier to work with, IMO.

 

I almost skipped the markings on my Jagdtiger, because i liked the look without them. However, to add a little splash, I went in and added them anyways. Probably more accurate in the end too, though my references are lacking for this vehicle.

Yeah, I'm stil undecided here. I'd like to use simple balkenkreuz (looked that up.....) or numbers but don't want to mess with gloss, decals and then flat at this stage, and can't really stencil and spray some since I don't have an airbrush, so they have to be dry transfers or hand-painted. Hmmm.....

As far as unit markings, I don't have the references to do them with any degree of accuracy. I do have a couple of "annelise" name decals from the old Tamiya kit that might work somewhere, just for visual interest. Suggestions?

Conjectural or not, this looks great. And i like the weathering as well.

Thanks, Bish. It was a lot of fun, learned a lot of stuff that I will continue to use. I will have to do a purely fictional tank now, maybe dk yellow and green only, since I like the look so much. The subject in AFV Modeller had a neat look to it, and my lack of reference materials wouldn't be an issue.

Don't know what to tell you. I added them for the color if nothing else. something to break it up. 

Archer transfers are the way to go if you have them, especially at the point you're at.