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Haunted Tank.. the Jigsaw Tank,, w JEB Stuart, Arch, Rick, Slim... ( WIP, updated 10/16 DONE !!)

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cb1
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Posted by cb1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:48 PM

so far so good!

I saw in some pictures that the drivers periscope looks like a Panther D drivers slit instead of the t34 drivers hatch.

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:02 PM

T26E4

My plan would be to find a ping pong ball or similar object, cut it down and then stipple some cast texture to it. This way, I can ensure a truly round bulge.  Whaddya think P38?

,,, not bad.. I was thinking of putting a blob of milliput on  the MG bulg that is there.. then pushing the inside of the round object over it, to form the roundness...

 

PS.. T26E4.. did you catch the PM I sent a day or so ago ?..Whistling

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:55 PM

My plan would be to find a ping pong ball or similar object, cut it down and then stipple some cast texture to it. This way, I can ensure a truly round bulge.  Whaddya think P38?

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:48 PM

T26E4

The glacis mounted 20mm in a round fairing is, I suspect, a nod to the Panther's kugelblende MG mount.  In some iterations of the Jigsaw Tank, you see many Panther-like features.  The huge round casting is, IMHO, definitely one of them.

  I 'm going to try to use Milliput putty to replicate that bulge.. and add a barrel...Eats

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:45 PM

then I removed the hull top,, and cut an modified it so the turret will rotate 360 deg,,

Cut the rear deck ,shortened it.. , added a spacer to the front of the hull top to make room for  the crew hatches..

I used a dremel sanding drum to carve back the engine grills and covers..Photobucket:550:0]

[removed the hull top with backdragging a blade for a scribe hole, then a razor saw blade..Photobucket:550:0]

measured and marked the engine deck for shortening..[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]

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[spaver card added.. and holes filled in where the engine deck reworking was done..Photobucket:550:0]

new hull top added back on...Photobucket:550:0]

i added a plastic strip around the cut sections to help blend it in.. later I'll add some glue and putty to replicate welding seam...

the underneath....

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I added some stolen M-10 hull hatches... these will be added on and holes cut for Slim and Arch to look out of...Photobucket:550:0]

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:29 PM

Progress tonight.. started modifying the hull to accept the turret,, and lucked out.. the T-34 lower turret part fit thru the hole of the Walker turret like it was meant to.. I trimmed some pieces..for a better fit..[Photobucket:550:0]

 

light green is the Walker, the dark green the Tamiya T-34

 

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Posted by T26E4 on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:27 PM

The glacis mounted 20mm in a round fairing is, I suspect, a nod to the Panther's kugelblende MG mount.  In some iterations of the Jigsaw Tank, you see many Panther-like features.  The huge round casting is, IMHO, definitely one of them.

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:39 PM

Ghost Generals.. who'da thunk it...

Rick,,, blowing Tigers up with the 37MM in the Stuart? ! ha ! for sure !!

Guys.. did some work tonight.. and.. I'm psyched.. its going well with the mods..

PICS SOON !!

Yes

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Posted by tonka on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:11 PM

Great idea P38!  One of my favorite books,,Ive always wanted to do a DC war comics group build,,,Enemy Ace, Losers, Gunner sarge and pooch, Unknown Soldier, Sgt rock, Weird War tales,,,etc etc..

One thing that always had me wonder...how did they modify the chassis,,whatever it was..to hold a 20mm cannon??

I mean that's unrealistic right?? 'cause a Ghost general is very real!!  Stick out tongue

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:27 PM

RAAATAT tat!

Awesome project, looking forward to what you come up with.

...A destroyed blue Tiger, Panther or Panzer IV would make a nice addition if you decide on a vignette or diorama.

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:56 AM

Manstein's revenge

Very cool...looks like most depictions also show a flat roof on the turret instead of a sloped one...a lot of this build is gonna come down to how much time you want to put into modifying existing parts...

  I don't think I'll mess with the turret roof much.. I may add some card stock to the sides of the turret to square/flatten it more to the comic book turret look.. not sure.. once I mock up the bustle tool boxes, I'll know better..

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:52 AM

Very cool...looks like most depictions also show a flat roof on the turret instead of a sloped one...a lot of this build is gonna come down to how much time you want to put into modifying existing parts...

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:51 AM

Looks pretty close to most of the drawings to me. Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:47 AM

Well.. last night.. I tape together a T-34 Hull and the Walker turret and set them on each other to see how it looked..

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 I think some reworking of the turret bustle to make it look more like tool boxes.. and I will have to move the turret back to make room for the driver and MG hull gunner hatches, I may graft the t-34 lower ring on to the Walker turret, and cut the hull ring area out, move it back, and recut/rework the engine hatches and vents..

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 9:44 PM

ok,, here's a shot of her stern,,,, There's others , but this one is commonPhotobucket:550:0]

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:57 PM

Hercmech

You're going to make me dig through my old comic stash and look at the one or two I have in there that has this tank. I didn't remember them until you showed the one picture with the ghost horse...

  Herc..  I bet your not the only one now rummaging thru their closet looking for  the comic stash...Whistling

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:55 PM

lolol. guys.. yup.. she changes often... nearly each appearance of her is differant than the last.. I'll post some pics later when I get home of her rear.. the most often shown is the T-34... but she does have the other styles of side shots everyone has mentioned... P38, panzer MkIV, T-34, M-18, Chaffee, etc.. pick your poison.. none are wrong..,, depending on which issue your memory has chosen.. Eats

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:47 PM

You're going to make me dig through my old comic stash and look at the one or two I have in there that has this tank. I didn't remember them until you showed the one picture with the ghost horse...


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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:27 PM

Here are more iterations of the tank:

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Posted by T26E4 on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:11 PM

I disgree with Manstein about the choice for the chassis.  Sure, in some frames, the chassis appears to mimic a M18 or M24.  But with that logic, one could also say to use a backwards German Pz IV hull (as in the picture on pg 2).  A whole variety of features change -- sometimes frame to frame.  You can pick and choose -- but to declare the M18/M24 as the definitive one goes against DC's own "spec" drawings where they declare the hull to be an ex-T34.

But ultimately, we shouldn't quibble about this fantasy tank.  When I go about it, I'm going to chop down a DML T-34 hull and build a scratch turret.

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 24, 2012 12:02 PM

Bringing back some memories. I haven't read the comic in years.

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 10:03 AM

masonme2

The haunted tank was a Stuart when I was reading that comic book and it shall remain a Stuart in my mind. I like your enthusiasm for building this tank but to me it's like changing the colors of Supermans outfit. When you decide to kill off a character then leave it alone. From the looks of the scanned comic books the writer/illustrator can't decide what this thing should look like. Instead of the Haunted Tank they should call it the Transformer... oh that's already taken.

  True Masonme2... The Stuart was what JEB and Rick and Arch and Slim started out in... The Stuart got shot out from under them in #150,, they built this tank from the tank depot.. They were back ina Stuart for an issue, then back in the "Jigsaw" tank for about 30 episodes or so... they then were in a Pershing for a few issues, then they finished the war in a Sherman..

  I started reading the mag when Auric ( who haunts a German tank, meets up with our boys in a rainy German hillside and Arch saves the boys, but looses his life..) while JEB and crew battle the German tiger, Auric fights with the Ghostly General over them.. This issue got me hooked,, so to me.. the Jigsaw tank was "my" Haunted Tank...  It all depends on when you started reading the mag...Smile,,, but all in all.. they were all "Haunted Tanks..."..Yes

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Posted by masonme2 on Friday, February 24, 2012 9:44 AM

The haunted tank was a Stuart when I was reading that comic book and it shall remain a Stuart in my mind. I like your enthusiasm for building this tank but to me it's like changing the colors of Supermans outfit. When you decide to kill off a character then leave it alone. From the looks of the scanned comic books the writer/illustrator can't decide what this thing should look like. Instead of the Haunted Tank they should call it the Transformer... oh that's already taken.

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock"   Will Rogers

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 9:40 AM

deafpanzer

What the heck!?!?!?  Only three or four pages of scanned copy?  I want to read the whole thing!  Thanks for the memories...

If you are going for Chaffee chasis, I bet we will be seeing many old Italeri kit on eBay soon for much less because of the new kit from Bronco.

Sorry Deafpanzer... lol.. WhistlingBang Head

I am going with the T-34 Chassis... I'll post up some scans of the rear of her later tonight.. Eats

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, February 24, 2012 9:34 AM

What the heck!?!?!?  Only three or four pages of scanned copy?  I want to read the whole thing!  Thanks for the memories...

If you are going for Chaffee chasis, I bet we will be seeing many old Italeri kit on eBay soon for much less because of the new kit from Bronco.

Andy

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, February 24, 2012 9:10 AM

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...but I tend to picture in my mind what was the most commonly depicted version...not the one-offs that might have appeared here and there in scattered issues...  "

 

thats basically what I'm going to go with,.. what my mind has in it as the " Jigsaw" tank... I didn't post em yet,, but there are lots of panels in the various stories that clearly show the stern of the tank.. and the most depicted is a T-34 stern.. the big round engine hatch. and the 2 vertical exhaust pipes, slanting rear panal.. The most often depicted road wheels( even tho the wrong amount) show no return rollers either.

 

"This would be a great GB interpretation exercise where people posted only their final work to see how each person visualizes what the tank looked like in their mind's eye...   "

great Idea Yes

I don't mind if anyone has their versions.. posting in here to,, or, if we get enough.. to make a new thread in the GB hooch...Eats

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 24, 2012 8:47 AM

p38jl

Gamera, I sent you a PM..

 

Manny,  I checked that issue, and scanned the page... here she is... other than the main gun and the 50 cal,, it makes no mention of the other parts used. also note.. the 5 road wheels..

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That's the issue---I thought there was more dialogue...oh well...

But IMO the chassis looks more like a Hellcat or Chafee one than a T-34...In fact, until this thread I'd never heard of that theory before...and the pages you have posted does go to show that even the comic-book writers/illustrators weren't settled on what the tank "looked like"---for example, you posted one page with it having a German Mk IV chassis!!!...

...but I tend to picture in my mind what was the most commonly depicted version...not the one-offs that might have appeared here and there in scattered issues...

This would be a great GB interpretation exercise where people posted only their final work to see how each person visualizes what the tank looked like in their mind's eye...

 

 

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:42 PM

heres 1 other good pic...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:41 PM

heres 1 other good pic...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:39 PM

here is a scan ,, a good overhead shot..

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