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The doog's FSM Indy Tracks Links Tutorial
Posted by the doog on Friday, January 10, 2014 11:32 PM

Hi all,

I've decided to do a post on my method for individual track links. I've had a popular tutorial on another site for years, but every time I give someone a link to it, I feel bad for directing traffic away from my "home" site, the Finescale Forums.Sad  I hope to expand on the original one and add what I've learned over the years. This method of track building works great for just about any kind of vehicle, with small variations in steps for any given wheel configurations--even Sherman tank bogeys.. So let's begin! Stick out tongue

First of all, let's talk about the preparation.The very FIRST thing to do is to prepare your hull. Most importantly, DO NOT glue the return rollers to the hull! Instead, only set the INSIDE roller into the mounting hole, and affix the other wheels to the mounts, but do NOT glue them in place. If you have problems with them falling off---a common problem---then use a small dab of white glue (Aileen's Craft Glue is great for this step) on the very end of the "axle" and set the wheel on it. You can then easily twist the wheel off later for painting. Have your sprockets and idlers ready for use. (note ONLY the inside return rollers)

Next, lay down two strips of low-tack modeling tape with the sticky-side up. Secure them on both sides with strips of tape running all the way down the length of the "up" pieces (the marked sections). If you have a spare rubberband track piece from a similar kit, use it to mark off a good estimate of approximately how long your length of track should be.

Next, carefully start adding the track pieces to the tape. The sticky side will help you to form a length as the links stick to it. Make sure that each link is pressed into the other securely. I use a pair of tweezers to avoid my fingers from dislodging previous links. I also DO spread out the links in such a haphazard manner; it helps me to grab the ones facing the correct way.

Here's what you should have with both lengths properly laid.

Next, I use Testor's Liquid Cement because of its slow setting time. Not only does this allow the links to properly melt together, ensuring a complete bond, but it also gives adequate time to "work" the tracks into shape while the glue evaporates and the bonds set enough to allow you to eventually pick up the tracks and form them over the wheels. NOTE: on occasion, poorly-molded track links will be "stubborn" about laying into each other. If I have a few "stubborn" links, I may use a touch of Tenax-7 or another similar "strong" glue to encourage the tracks to melt into each other. But in general, I prefer a lower-setting glue for this step. Lay the glue down fairly generously--better more than less here. Work it in between the links along the full joining surface.

Now, an important step for strength: Wait about 5 minutes and use two rulers to both straighten and press the links together. (DON'T USE PLASTIC RULERS!--DUH?!) I first press the guide horns together laterally to make sure the track are straight,and then I press down on them to make sure the individual track links mate smartly into each other. While pressing down, I also massage the links toward the center, pushing them into each other toward the center. Though slightly awkward, this step is important to make sure that your links are glued securely to each neighboring link. The tacks will shrink slightly in length, but this is fine---DO NOT ADD another link yet. Having a shorter length than necessary is actually beneficial--you'll see why later.

The links nicely mated..Check that all links are flush with the next, and correct any gaps with the ruler method, if necessary.

I usually wait about 45 minutes to let the tracks set and let the joints firm up. In this time, the glue will also evaporate from the track faces so that when you put them against the wheels in the next step, they won't melt into the plastic sprockets, idlers and wheels. After about 45 minutes you should be able to pick them up from the edges; just roll them up gently.

Now, take your sprocket and---MAKE SURE YOUR TRACKS ARE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!--form the link around the sprocket with the length of track going OVER the sprocket--in other words, you're going to be joining the tracks at the bottom, UNDERNEATH the wheels. Press the sprocket teeth into the track firmly, but not excessively hard.

Now, remember where you left off the outside return rollers? Here's why----take the sprocket and slide it onto the post. The rest of the track length will go over the return rollers without any effort.

Put the idler on and form the length around the idler as well...

You should have about this much of a gap on the bottom of the track length. You can easily join this up with a link or two----but NOT YET!!

Now, set the sag. Take some balled-up tissue, and place it between the hull and the track face. Don't overdo it--and let the sprocket and idler turn to allow the sag. (That's why you didn't link it up yet!)

Now, put the model down and judge the gap; prepare the appropriate links to bridge the gap.

Glue in the links by adding glue to both ends of the length. I like to use a thin, straight tweezer to compress the links together by placing the tweezer ends on the opposite guide horns and gently squeezing them together.

Now---LET THE MODEL SIT FOR 24-48 HOURS! You can work on figures, turret detailing, or just go on your favorite forum and jabber with your buds...Big Smile The longer you let your tracks set up, the less danger of shrinkage and possible "fit" issues you'll have later. I have learned that 24 hours is the absolute MINIMUM to wait----and that does NOT mean to make your tracks at 7:00 PM and then take them off at 9:00 AM the next morning!! It seems that if the tracks do not FULLY cure, they will possibly shrink in the process while they are off the model being painted, and that can give you fit issues later. BE PATIENT! Sleep
     When the necessary time has passed, you should be able to take hold of the sprocket and gently work it off of the model with the tracks coming off with it. The tracks will slide nicely off of the single return rollers and idler.

The tracks should come off intact. If you have an idler or sprocket "stuck" to the track, you should be able to gently work the piece out of the fold without much ado, This sprocket came out with no problem; in fact, often just the curvature of the track will "hug" the piece and a gently massage will bring it out cleanly.

Next, paint your tracks and wheels. I have found it wise to use a good quality primer (Tamiya) on the track oval before painting in order to insulate it from possible damage from mineral spirit washes, which seem to be able to weaken some of the glue joints if the spirits lay in the creases for an excessive time. This can sometimes be due to ambient humidity, which retards the evaporation time. DON'T FORGET to weather the INSIDES of the tracks. I see too many models where there is no evidence of wear on the inside track faces which occurs from the wheel travel and sprocket teeth. Use a metallic grey to define the wheel path inside the track, and silver the guide horns and outside faces, dependent upon the terrain that your model is operating in. Remember too, that some German vehicles like the Panther had wheel rims which would silver against the guide horns as well.

Next, place the sprockets and idlers back into their places within the track.

Add some glue to the appropriate posts, and push the sprocket and idler onto the model.NOTICE that the return rollers have been removed for painting, and you don't need to put them back on yet.

It's rather bizarre how the foreshortening of perspective makes the loose track oval look so small here!

Now. you can add glue to the posts and add the wheels. Add the two end ones first.

You can add all the wheels next, or add the complete return rollers next. I chose to add the return rollers, which have been glued together as complete wheels. They are easy to slip in under the track length using a tweezer.

The wheels are added next...the tracks are actually pliable enough that you can easily move them to make the wheels slip onto their posts.

Lay the model on its side and complete the other side.

Lastly, use some superglue with a precision applicator to firmly glue down the track to the tops and bottoms on the wheels. I glue ALL the top of the track to the return roller to make sure the weight is simulated; I only tack 3 or 4 of the lower ones. I've used some tissue balls to "catch" any excess glue

You should have a competently-assembled set of convincing-looking tracks on your model at this point! Congratulations! You've just learned an important modeling skill!

NOTE that it's important to make sure that ALL your wheels are removable, in order to assure ease-of-assembly and removal for painting, as well as to assure that they can be easily re-installed on the model!

I hope that you have enjoyed this tutoeial, and that you are now a Master of the Indy Links!

Questions are welcomed; I'll try to answer them as my schedule permits!

 ........the doog. Smile

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:08 AM

Indie tracks 101, great stuff!

One question, would it be advisable  to mark the completed track ovals left and and right, to avoid fit issues?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:45 AM

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:47 AM

Very nice. It should help many a modeler.

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:38 PM

or you could do warwheels and trucks and avoid this altogether but have brand new situations to deal with. all kidding aside i do have a number of kits i really want to build that have indy tracks so this will be very helpful. will have to vary it slightly as some do not have return rollers. thanks for this.

NOTE: to aid in sliding the wheells on and off tape all the axles before painting the hull and all holes before painting the wheels. sometimes just 1 thin coat of paint will make an easy fit not so easy.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:34 PM

As I mentioned in the "test"-thread already, this is an awesome tutorial! I have no problem with fruil-tracks, but I absoloutely dislike plastic indy-link tracks. Í think this tutorial is going to change things a bit!

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain how you assemble your tracks!

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Posted by New Hampshire on Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:51 PM

I remember some years ago you doing this as a sort of tutorial in one of your builds.  It is a method I have used since then and find it pretty easy to work with.  I will say there is but one caveat.  If doing this method on Tamiya kits that use polycaps in the idler and drive wheels be aware it is going to be a pain sliding the whole thing on and off.  I learned this by mistake and I damn near ripped up a run of tracks trying to slowly pry the polycapped drive sprocket off. Tongue Tied 

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:56 PM

New Hampshire

I remember some years ago you doing this as a sort of tutorial in one of your builds.  It is a method I have used since then and find it pretty easy to work with.  I will say there is but one caveat.  If doing this method on Tamiya kits that use polycaps in the idler and drive wheels be aware it is going to be a pain sliding the whole thing on and off.  I learned this by mistake and I damn near ripped up a run of tracks trying to slowly pry the polycapped drive sprocket off. Tongue Tied 

Brian

you might try petroleum jelly or maybe not use the ploycap until the final installation of the wheels. just a couple of thoughts.

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Posted by New Hampshire on Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:39 PM

waynec

you might try petroleum jelly or maybe not use the ploycap until the final installation of the wheels. just a couple of thoughts.

Yeah, in hindsight I would probably not bother adding in the polycap anymore.  With a dab of superglue at the end it is not like they will go anywhere, so the polycap probably isn't that necessary.  Alas I wish I had realized all this before adding the polycap. Big SmileOops

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Posted by schmidty on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:43 PM

This is an awesome tutorial doog!  Right now I am content with aircraft, but I know at some point I will want to do some armor.  So this is definitely getting added to my personal Tips and Tricks document for future reference.

Thanks!

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:49 PM

jgeratic

Indie tracks 101, great stuff!

One question, would it be advisable  to mark the completed track ovals left and and right, to avoid fit issues?

regards,

Jack

OK, THAT was weird---it was the "Tags" that was screwing up my ability to respond! I deleted them, and I can get in now to respond! Big Smile

Jack, I used to "label" my track loops, but I've stopped doing it because you can basically swap sides on most vehicles, and with the variance that you can get from sagging the track a little more or less, it doesn't seem to be a problem NOT to do so.

I know there are SOME tanks where there is one or more links difference sometimes, so it may be a smart thing to do, but I can't say that I follow it like a rule.

Smile

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:51 PM

New Hampshire

I remember some years ago you doing this as a sort of tutorial in one of your builds.  It is a method I have used since then and find it pretty easy to work with.  I will say there is but one caveat.  If doing this method on Tamiya kits that use polycaps in the idler and drive wheels be aware it is going to be a pain sliding the whole thing on and off.  I learned this by mistake and I damn near ripped up a run of tracks trying to slowly pry the polycapped drive sprocket off. Tongue Tied 

Brian

Brian,

Good advice----you can also trim down the post for the polycap wheels by dragging a #11 blade lengthwise across it, and therefore making it a slightly thinner post. The polycap won' be so snug after that.

Ditto that for when you paint the posts---just use a #11 to scrape off the paint!

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:53 PM

I'm on my way out for the afternoon, all, but thanks to everyone who's looked in and left a comment or question!! I'm on my way out for the afternoon, but I'll be back to answer the other posts here later tonight.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:54 PM

Now that's a nice tut, well worth waiting for. I was a bit worried you might start painting the tracks while on, but it all came good in the end.

I use a different plastic weld, so I think I will try on some spare tracks first.

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Posted by garzonh on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:18 PM

Awsome guide.

I have not build a kit with individual links, Im too lazy....I stil want to build some Friul but probably some time down the road.

This are the kind of real, step by step, instructions we all need for building great kits.

Thanks pal!

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Posted by Armyguy on Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:29 PM

Very nice . When  I take the leap and try indy links I will come back to your guide many times.

Dave

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Posted by crkrieser on Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:57 PM

Invaluable information here.  Perhaps FSM might consider making a "How To" video for posting to the FSM web site that captures this? (Hint, hint!)  Again, invaluable information and technique here (for me at least)!  Many thanks, Doog!

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Posted by firesmacker on Monday, January 13, 2014 10:00 AM

Great tutorial, Karl!

I've had your previous one bookmarked for several years but this one is much more detailed. I'm going to go ahead and swap them out. Thanks for doing this.

Regards,

Jeff

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 13, 2014 10:07 AM

Thanks, guys, for the positive comments!

And feel free to share your tips, comments and questions in this post too!

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, January 13, 2014 1:32 PM

Thanks a bundle Karl, I'd tried something similar and the links kept falling apart, I had no idea they stay flexible up to 45 minutes after cementing! Plus I was trying to handle the model a few hours after putting them on...  

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 13, 2014 5:04 PM

Gamera

Thanks a bundle Karl, I'd tried something similar and the links kept falling apart, I had no idea they stay flexible up to 45 minutes after cementing! Plus I was trying to handle the model a few hours after putting them on...  

Gamera,

I'm thrilled to know that you may sort out whatever mistakes you might have made in making your tracks!

Be aware that the tracks can stay flexible for up to an hour or more--it all depends on what kind of glue you use and how much of it you use. You definitely want to wait for them to become melted together from the glue, and to start hardening.

Quick glue like Tenax R7 will naturally cause the tracks to become stiffer faster. If you do this technique for the first time with a different glue than Testors'. check back every 15 minutes or so and gauge the pliability of the tack length. Depending on the strength of the glue, you may be able to put them on after a half-hour.

The most important thing is to leave them on for a day or more so that  they don't shrink! Even a millimeter of two can make it frustrating to put the tracks back on or make them want to pull apart at some point. Smile

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Posted by Model Maniac on Friday, January 24, 2014 10:37 PM

Very nice tutorial, Karl! My main artist "AI" also uses similar method to construct the tracks. He also uses slow-setting cement, a chloroform based one.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, January 24, 2014 11:11 PM

Thanks, Phaisal! Glad you like it!

I can't imagine a chloroform glue?! Wow, you'd better keep the widows open for that stuff!  Big Smile

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Posted by IBuild148 on Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:18 PM

Awesome tutorial Professor doog! Bow DownYes

This is bookmarked.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, January 27, 2014 7:08 AM

Glad you liked it, bud!!! :)

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:33 AM

Aw dang Karl, now I dont have an excuse to stay away from indy tracks anymore, why do you have to go and be so helpful all the time?!

All kidding aside after reading this I will have to try my hand at. Unfortunately Ive been able to make do with vinyl tracks for the past 5 years by only getting certain kits (tamiya) but that really limits the choices of models you can build...anyways keep up the good work as always

-Josiah

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:34 AM

ygmodeler4

Aw dang Karl, now I dont have an excuse to stay away from indy tracks anymore, why do you have to go and be so helpful all the time?!

All kidding aside after reading this I will have to try my hand at. Unfortunately Ive been able to make do with vinyl tracks for the past 5 years by only getting certain kits (tamiya) but that really limits the choices of models you can build...anyways keep up the good work as always

Josiah,

Thanks for the nice words! That's the greatest compliment that you can give---to know that something I posted may help you to expand your own modeling skills and potential!!

Guys like you were exactly the kind of guys I was targeting with this tutorial----guys who steered away from some of these great kits because they were intimidated by indy track links. Once you get the process down, yyour enjoyment---and your stash Wink --will expand exponentially because there willl be nothing that you can't build! Big Smile

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Posted by waynec on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:59 AM

ygmodeler4

Aw dang Karl, now I dont have an excuse to stay away from indy tracks anymore, why do you have to go and be so helpful all the time?!

do what i do build warwheels and trucks. they are different builds than tracks, at least until the upper hull.

seriously i have a PZ-IIC w/ length and link and a JGSDF TYPE 87 SPAA with indy tracks (no support rollers but the technique will still work) i will be using this for in between wheels builds

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:38 PM

Wayne, you're absolutely right--this technique works well for just about any tank. With a little creativity, you could even use it for a Sherman. I hope your tracks turn out great!

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Posted by Chazzer on Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:14 PM

Doog, Thank you for the tutorial. As usual your work is fantastic. Thanks again.

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