Modelling Patton tank interior in 1:35

Hello!

Here's where I am with the storage tubes after changes made thanks to the Toadman's photos:

Thanks for lookin' and have a nice day!

Paweł

Pawel, looking good! I appoligize for not thinking about toadman's pictures sooner. If you look around his site, you'll find alot more pictures of what you need. Can't wait for this to all come together.

Hello Ray!

Thanks again! Toadman's page turned out to be just the resource I needed. Can't model just off the TM drawings, they are too unreliable for this when it comes to proportions. The photos complement those drawings very nicely.

I think I'll move to the vertical ready rounds now.

Have a nice day

Paweł

Wow. This is an amazing project your doing pawel, will you be 3D printing this and selling it?

Hello!

Thanks a lot for your kind words!

Yes, the idea is to 3D print the whole thing, so that my modellers friends can also use my work for their models.

Have a nice day

Paweł

Hello!

I have just completed a set like this:

It would let you equip the ready rack in a Patton model with two rounds to spare. The bigger rounds can be painted to represent the M416 WP-T (smoke) round or the M393 HEP-T (squash head) round. The smaller rounds are sabot - like the M392.

Now I'll try to work on the ready rack (vertical storage)

Thanks for lookin' and have a nice day

Paweł

Hello everybody!

I just started drawing the brackets for the ready rounds:

It might look a bit rough on the drawing, but we're moving closer and closer to the limits of printability here - the round wires above have the diameter of 0,6mm, and the whole structure isn't supported very well (the shells will come separate to facilitate painting of it all). I'd like to ask for your comments here, especially if you think some important detail is missing on the picture.

Thanks for lookin' and have a nice day

Paweł

Your passion for the subject matter really shines through in your renderings, Pawel. Looking forward to seeing the final product, because if these images are any indication of what is to come, it should be stunning!

Knight, Mike - thanks a lot for your comments and for your kind words! I'm itching to get something printed at last. Let's see when will that be. Thanks again and have a nice day!

Paweł

Coming along nicely.  Great job so far.

Pawel

Knight, Mike - thanks a lot for your comments and for your kind words! I'm itching to get something printed at last. Let's see when will that be. Thanks again and have a nice day!

Paweł

 

Pawel, your attention to detail is outstanding! About all you need left to do is the range finder, slip ring and ammo rack located behind the loaders position. If it was me, I'd just print out the 13 round ready rack with the rounds already installed. After all, all you will be able to see is through the loaders hatch. The slip ring is the round box located in front and to the right of the 3 round ready rack on the turret floor.

Ray

 Here is a picture of what I was talking about with the slip ring. The slip ring is what transfered power from the hull to the turret. Round box with a square cover located in front of the sight box.

Gino, Ray - thanks a lot for your kind words. Thay mean a lot to me!

Ray - got you on the slip ring. I also plan to draw the gunner's seat and his footrest. Some drawings and photos got me wondering: Was the gunner seated facing directly forward, or was his seat slightly angled towards the centerline of the tank? Thanks a lot for the picture, you can never have too many of them on a project like this.

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

Gunners seat set straight forward.

Straight forward it's going to be, then.

Hello everybody!

I have managed to draw up the gunner's seat, it looks like this:

I'd love to hear your comments about it, I'd especially like to find out more about that upper handle under the seat pan. From the TM I know the lower handle set the seat's height, and the upper handle, if I read it right, allowed to tilt the seat forward and back. Now my question is - what was that good for? How did it operate? Should I show the seat tilted or is it OK straight, as shown above? Thanks in advance for the info and have a nice day

Paweł

Pawel

Hello everybody!

I have managed to draw up the gunner's seat, it looks like this:

I'd love to hear your comments about it, I'd especially like to find out more about that upper handle under the seat pan. From the TM I know the lower handle set the seat's height, and the upper handle, if I read it right, allowed to tilt the seat forward and back. Now my question is - what was that good for? How did it operate? Should I show the seat tilted or is it OK straight, as shown above? Thanks in advance for the info and have a nice day

Paweł

 

It does not tilt the seat. It allows the seat to slide forward or backwards on the pedestal. Taller man needs the seat slid back as far as it can go. A shorter man like myself needs it scooted up as far as it can go. So when adjusted, it might not be centered on the pedestal.

Hello Rob!

Thanks a lot for the info, I knew I could count on you here! Shifting the seat forward and back makes a lot of sense - I think I understand it now. How do you like the detail here?

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

Pawel

Hello Rob!

Thanks a lot for the info, I knew I could count on you here! Shifting the seat forward and back makes a lot of sense - I think I understand it now. How do you like the detail here?

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

Rob Gronovius

A shorter man like myself

Dunno, you certainly seem to stand tall around here.

Pay no attention to all those mutants over by the Right Guide, we normal-sized folk have to stick together

At 5'2", I'm short by any standard, but I never let my height limit me. I wrestled through junior high school, high school and into college and the army. Played football in junior high and high school and obviously made it through the ranks in the army.

Hello Rob!

Thanks a lot for your kind words and for the interesting story you wrote! Good thing you didn't let them boys get you down.

As for the measurements - I thing I got close enough going by the TMs, but I'll keep your offer in mind. The longer I draw here, the more I wish I could get some real-life measurements - those are very hard to come by. I have found some measurements of individual components in an old TM.

Looking at the photos I also think I have to make the top mounts for the hangers a little smaller, because I'm slowly getting into trouble fitting everything together along the turret ring. Luckily the hangers won't be too hard to do.

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

Hello Glenn!

It's really good to see you in this thread! Thanks a lot for your comment!

In the meantime I think I need the help of the forum members here... I have a problem aligning everything around the gunner - it looks like I don't have enough space to squeeze the azimuth indicator AND the balistic computer in... Most likely because I have drawn the powerpack ("the cadillacs") too big. Now my request - does anybody know a posibility to get inside a real M60 and make a few measurements? I think that could really save the day for me here... Until then I keep guesstimating the distances and trying to squeeze everything in.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

I just sent a request to some friends in Germany who may be able to get you the measurements.

Hallo Ray!

Thanks a lot, that would realy be cool! Have a nice day

Paweł

Hello everybody!

I still can't say I've got enough data to be sure here, but I have managed to tweak the power pack ("the cadillacs") a little and I have won a few millimeters this way. I have drawn up the azimuth indicator and I have mocked up the old ballistic computer a a 8x8x8mm box - that would be 11 inches in real life. As you can see on the photo below it doesn't really fit for now. I have to do some more squeezing...

The drawing above is just a screenshot from my 3D software, nice renders are geting problematic at this complexity so please excuse me. I still could use some help here if anybody has access to a real-life tank that could really save the day here.

I'd love to hear your comments here so thanks in advance and have a nice day

Paweł

Not getting any answers from the group I requested info from. Here is a picture of what you are looking for. Hopefully, it will help.

http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/m60a1_trainer_28.jpg

Ray

Hello Ray!

That picture IS a great help, but unfortunately it also shows how much more space I need for the ballistic computer. An exact measurement of the diameter of the azimuth indicator or dimensions of the gunner's control box (the one to which the small one with the handles attach) would really help here. Too bad your source didnt give any answers yet. I'm trying to rearrange the parts a little to get more space, but I would also like to get some accuracy here.

Thanks for looking and have a nice day

Paweł