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Building a Revell 1/96 Kearsarge

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Building a Revell 1/96 Kearsarge
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:03 PM

   Thru the Generosity of my super friend, warshipguy , I am building a Revell 1/96 Kearsarge & have an Alabama to match for Christmas from my wife. I must be a good boy.

I have had more fun building a ship this size than any thing I have done in a long time. 1/350 kits were getting too small for me & I really believe that this size model is easier to build for a real old guy with 87 looming next month. Here is my work to date. 

I glued the deck together & put styrene strips on the joint. I sprayed the deck with Tamiya Deck Tan & spent at least 6 hours with my super sharp drafting pencils & a 6" alum ruler drawing deck lines in the very shallow lines. That di really make it look good. Then I washed it with thin Raw Umber & then a very thin black wash.  I will hide the joints with the big guns & some coiled thread.

I glued short square strips along for the deck to glue to & then masked it off & painted the inside white. Then I glued the bottom of the hull together with the small clamps. Then I put a 9" 1x2 with a shaped bottom for the mounting screws to fasten to.

 

 

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:16 PM

 I wanted to add that for glueing anything like a painted deck I use Formula 560 white Canopy glue used by flying plane modelers. It drys super strong & can be washed off with a wet Q tip. I use it to glue cannons on the deck & all sorts of things like that.

  I also tested the deck before i glued it together to see that it would snap into a glued hull. It worked perfectly. Thats why I just glued the bottom of the hull together & then glued the deck in & glued the rest of the hull together. 

  It  really looks good now with most of the deck detailed. More pictures later.

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:40 PM

gene ,

another masterpiece on the way ,it's good to see you are doing a WIP , on this build . and the explaination as to what you are doing .when you drill the holes in the bottom for the pedestal's , how do you go about it gene ? , the bottom up , top down ., as you've no doubt fathomed , I have never done it , and the glue join isn't that wide , how do you prevent it from splitting ?

steve5

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, November 10, 2017 7:02 AM

Gene,

Yet another masterpiece!  I sent you a PM with the corrections necessary for the Alabama, and I am looking forward to seeing the pair together!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:31 AM

Steve, I have waited too long too many time & it makes it much harder to do. The best way is to glue the hull together, with lots of glue in that area. I do use a bead of super glue all along the hull joint. I shape the 1x2 in a vise & mark the center all around & have a line to work to.I plane each side to fit the hull. Take a little more off in the front & rear & check the fit. It need not be perfect, enough will touch the hull.Load it with ACC or epoxy. I bought the plane when I was 19 & it built a lot of houses.

  Now I mark the 2 screw points & drill a small pilot hole, with my wife helping me be straight. I use a small square for one way & she sights the other way. Then I use 2 or 3 more larger drills, progressivly larger & it won't split that way. 

  I use a #6 wood screw 2 1/2", but you will use a #8 3" long at least. You can screw it to a work base with shorter screws.

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:44 AM

Bill, A masterpiece because you gave it to me. I thank you as I work on it. It really has been my most fun model. I am thrilled that that wasn't you that was sick. I hope whoever it was is ok. I played footsie with the old reaper 26 years ago when I had 4 90% blocked arteries & had quit my bussiness moved to the mountains & was building our new house within 3 months of surgery. The doc did a great job & it is still ticking like crazy, with no blowouts.

  I got yourmessage & thank you. I have been looking at scaledecks deck. Iwill be happy to be looking at them both , because it means I am on my way to 88. Thanks again , Bill.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:54 AM

Looking great!

Have you read the book about the battle, written by Capt. Semmes (spelling?), the Captain of the Alabama?  Interesting book.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:22 AM

Hi Gene,

Another sail/ power build. You must be the original steampunk.

I too look forward to the build.

When a model has a keel, a single point mount in the centerline is asking for trouble. I would suggest that you use a dowel around 1” in diameter.

Or a short length of brass or copper pipe.

Make a kerf cut through the top equal in width to the keel and at least as deep.

Then you can run your bolt up through that and it’ll be much more solid.

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:44 AM

Semmes wrote Memoirs of Service Afloat about his time as Captain of both the CSS Sumpter and CSS Alabama as well as his service as an Admiral commanding Confederate naval forces defending Richmond.  It is one of my most treasured books.  Also, John Kell wrote of his service as First Officer/ XO in the Sumpter and Alabama, and of his service commanding the ironclad CSS Richmond.  They both make interesting reading.

Bill

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Friday, November 10, 2017 11:20 AM

  Bill & Don, I will read it, & I have 2 books that I got on ebay & more on order at my library. I didn't have the Semmes book on order yet because I didn't have the ame of it. I am going to build all the Steam /sail civil war boats I can find. I have theHarriett Lane Lindberg boat & it is real nice & can be detailed a lot. 

  GM, Thanks for the advice, most of that I am doing. I use big wood dowell on smaller ships & subs. I have been doing your method on all my ships & even on the ones where I use the big fancy pedestals.. I usually put my points 4" apart on smaller ships & 6" on the Kearsarge. I don't go further than that as it is too hard to fit the wood inside if it gets any longer. Thanks, & did you have a health problem? I hope you are ok. 

   How is your Corvette? I stay on that Kearsarge & do nothing else. It is really a fun build.

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  • From: Derry, New Hampshire, USA
Posted by rcboater on Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:02 PM

Have you seen this writeup that compares the Revell Kearsarge and Alabama kits? http://www.steelnavy.com/Alabama&Kearsarge.htm

Interesting reading. There's no date, but I think I remember first reading it back in the early 2000s. (Back when we hadn't seen a release of the Kearsarge on the market for over 30 years!)

The author points out that the Kearsarge kit is a mix of 1864 and post-1888 refit features, while the Alabama is a modification of the Kearsarge molds to try to make it look different, but has some serious dimension and shape errors... (The Alabama was 11 feet longer than Kearsarge, for starters.)

The conclusion is that the best way to get an accurate Kearsarge model is to start with an Alabama hull!

As I said, very interesting reading. Even if you're not looking to undertake such a big conversion project, you may get some ideas about simpler changes you could make to Kearsarge to make her look more like the the 1864 version.....

Webmaster, IPMS Patriot Chapter  www.ipmspatriot.org

Billerica, MA

 

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:04 AM

I had sent the following message to Gene, but it seems appropriate here.  "Concerning the Alabama kit . . . You should check online for the deck plans because the Revell kit's deck arrangement is very wrong.  Scaledecks has done a wooden correction that is quite accurate. Perhaps you could give it a look.  No, I am not saying that you should purchase one given your skills at painting, just look at the photos. Also, Alabama's masts were stepped with a very pronounced rake that the kit doesn't duplicate.  Finally, there is a very nice set of corrected cannons by Cottage. You will need this set, which can be readily found on eBay, because the Revell kit simply uses the Kearsarge's parts."

To this I would add that the upper wales on the Alabama kit's hull halves need to be removed.  Also, the gun ports should be repositioned. Plug those weird cutouts in the stern.  These corrections would give you a much more accurate model. Any other hull revisions might be too major to undertake.

Bill

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:56 AM

I forgot to mention that Cottage also produces a set of the proper guns for the Kearsarge as carried in 1864.

Bill

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 12, 2017 12:35 PM

I'd just forge ahead with what you've got. The Kearsarge builds up nicely, and is pretty convincing. The Alabama, well, it's a ship that's not well known in terms of it's design and detail (outside of the context of this model) and it would take a whole lot of work to get right.

I value my time at anywhere between $ 50 and $ 100/ hr during the period 9-5, M-F. Add the dozens of hours spent on the kit, the very high cost of all the AM stuff; and the two Blue Jacket kits begin to look like a bargain.

Just my two bits.

Bill

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 12, 2017 12:41 PM

Here's another good one.

  https://hlj.com/product/AOS04710

They come up as either Monogram or Imai or Aoshima  from time to time.

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Sunday, November 12, 2017 1:42 PM

  I just took more pictures of my Kearsarge. Bill, it's more fun than ever.

Well I caan get back to building & watching the Phoenix Nascar race. I watched my first race, a quarter midget in about 1937 & have never stopped. 

  Jim, I got my Ertl/ Imai Spanish Galleon this morning. Ebay, $40 + shipping. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, November 12, 2017 3:52 PM

Gene,

I'm amazed by how quickly you are building her while still doing an outstanding job!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:01 PM

rcboater, I had looked at tha Steel Navy article. I have been looking for a good view of the Revell deck for the Alabama. one that shows the gun rails that are cast in. I figured they would be the same as the Kearsarge & that's wrong. Like waeship guy says, to look at the wood deck with the PE rails.

    I probably won't get into making a lot of changes on the Alabama as I don't like to get into lengthy projects. It's not that I think the reaper is after me, I just want to be building models when I hit 90. I remember my great grandmother at 90 & she seemed ancient & she hit 105. I feel about 14 when I'm building & that's what I want. I wonder what I could build at 104.

   I did prefigure what to do about slanting the masts. I would cut the section that goes into the deck & put a slant on it. Then I would drill a piece of large brass rod thru the mast sections & AC glue it in a good ways & then bend it to what I need. I do a lot like tha with brass rod. This one would be big. What do you all think?  I just thought that I would predrill the hole in the mast.

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:12 PM

  Bill, my wife doesn't know me when I come up.  I built a 10'x18'train layout in the garage, back in the 1980's & lost about 20#. I built it in 4 pieces & carried it in to our Living Room. I do get excited on some models.   This shows what a Living Room is for. For train layouts or ship models.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:38 PM

Bill, I want to calm down that red in the funnels & I misplaced the left half of one. That is the only part I missed & I am still looking for it. Since I took this, I put that little rail in the front deck on, & it worked great. I pre drilled all the little holes for thread in the posts & opened up the deck holes. They have all been too small. I then fed all the small posts onto a .010 wire & put them in each hole with super thin AC . I just glued the bottom & then came along & straightened each one & glued the top. It worked great & then I painted the tops.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:18 PM

I think I follow. I like to run my masts down to the keel when possible. I glue a pair of blocks down in the bottom, parallel to the keel, spaced apart a tight width of the mast, or your brass rod or tube. Then with the deck in, get some hour set glue down in there. I can step the mast and get the bottom end of the rod engaged between the blocks, and wiggle it fore-aft until it gages right.

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  • From: Asheville, NC
Posted by LIVIT on Monday, November 13, 2017 12:59 AM

Mr. Gene, I dont know if you have elves doing work for you over night or what. But the quality and speed of your build is impressive sir.  I have been working on a 1/96 Constitution almost daily for several weeks now and am no where near as far along as you are in your build.  I do find your build inspiring.   DJ

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, November 13, 2017 6:42 AM

Gene,

I'll check to see if I have an extra funnel half.  I should, and I'll let you know tonight.

Bill

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, November 13, 2017 6:49 AM

GM,

That is precisely how I approach the problem.  I can see no other way with the Alabama kit because the rake of the masts in the real ship is so very pronounced.

By the way, Gene has inspired me to build another Alabama. I am attempting to correct the many flaws in the kit except one.  I am not planning to lengthen the hull by 11 scale feet, nor will I attempt to correct the hull lines.  The kit part is close enough for government work, so I will keep hull modifications reasonable.  I will relocate the gun ports and trim off the lower wale before correcting the deck, the armament, the masts, etc.  I suppose  it is time to try to figure out posting photos.

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, November 13, 2017 8:28 AM

GM, that sounds good. Also I do notch a brass tube for the keel & make that part longer than my big pedestals so it is really holding the ship. The ship just sits on those big ones.I see what you mean about tipping over if it is just sitting on the pedestal. I always put blocks inside my big wood ships to screw into.

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Monday, November 13, 2017 8:40 AM

Bill, thanks on the funnel. I know it was there & I have never lost a part that I didn't find, but sometimes it takes a long, long time. I would love to see you do an Alabama. I might get the guns from Cottage, but the deck is a maybe. I don't know what I will do on the guntracks. That might force a Scaledeck.To think that I built all these over 50 years ago.

  Bill, on posting pictures check on Google Photos. They have the best editing anywhere. I still put my pictures on Picasa, Google owns them, & forward the pics to Google . Then I edit them there.I doubt if you can get on Picasa anymore, but I still do as I don't know how to load to Google. Maybe someone will teach  me.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, November 13, 2017 6:22 PM

GM, Your mast to keel idea looks better than ever. I just realised that the masts are not solid & my brass rod would not work. I could use my brass tubing that gets progressivly smaller & build a brass tube from inside the mast to as far down as I wanted to go. Then it would be all one piece with th mast, from inside. I have done that on other things. 

   GM, how do you lengthen a plastic mast, or are you using wood? I have put brass tubes inside of plastic masts & ground out the glue points. Works great.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, November 13, 2017 6:31 PM

Solid plastic masts are the hardest. A pin joined connection is unreliable, when you consider all the back-and-forth bending it gets while being rigged. There is very little worse in this life than getting a spar (or a pin rail) all rigged up and then having it snap loose. In that case I usually replace the mast, or that section of it.

If it's a two piece hollow job- like you say. Sometimes the thing needs a couplke of nested diameters of tubing.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, November 13, 2017 8:31 PM

Livit, Thank you, but I guess I have been doing this so long that maybe that helps.I do sand & scrape & file every piece that I use. All the little raised lines & bad spots are cleaned up. It took me over 6 hours to pencil line all the deck lines. They do show up well.The only problem with decks like this is they have a joint. I put rope circles or bound rope over them, even tho it probably wouldn't have been there. It is better than then a joint. 

   The Kearsarge has been great fun for me. I would do a Constitution but I have a big wood Mamoli that I built over 35 years ago that sits in my iving Room. How far are you with yours? Post some pictures.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:34 PM

Gene,

I have an extra funnel piece if you still need it.Bill

 

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