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Building a Revell 1/96 Kearsarge

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Posted by Bugatti Fan on Monday, February 5, 2024 10:55 AM

This thread has made interesting reading as i would like to build a model of the CSS Alabama. Looks like both the Revell kits have their own set of problems partly due to sharing the same hull mouldings I believe.

Recently I picked up a copy of Andrew Bowcock's Anatomy of a Confederate Raider at a  reasonable price. Quite a comprehensive treatise on the vessel. Some of the drawings within are 1/192nd scale. I just wish that someone would produce a kit in that scale, half the size of the Revell offerings and accurate this time. 1/96th scale is ok if you have the room for such an enormous model. The Bluejacket wooden kits are reputed to be very accurate but again enormous as still in 1/96th scale. The Mamoli Alabama kit is a bit smaller at 1/120th scale, so still quite large. Don't know how accurate it is though.

Andrew Bowcock was on a committee that proposed building a full sized replica of the Alabama to go on display in Liverpool where the original ship was built. Unfortunately it was not to be. I believe that a lot of the reasearch he made for this project went into the book.

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Posted by Strongeagle on Monday, February 5, 2024 10:27 AM

rcboater
That old link doesn't work anymore-   here's a new link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210228001356/http://www.steelnavy.com/Alabama&Kearsarge.htm

I had occasion to travel to the Mare Island CA shipyard when I was stationed at NAS Alameda back in the 90's and the Kearsarge's 11 in Dalgren guns were on display by the Mare Island flagpole. They had been there since the overhaul mentioned in the article you posted. When Mare Island closed, I wrote the Navy Historical center and asked if the guns were still there.  Their reply said that one of them had been moved to the Washington DC Navy Yard and was now on display there.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, February 4, 2024 11:17 AM
Hi! I found out that the length isn't that much of an issue using a sacrifice hull(Glue Bomb) from either the "K"or the Bama! One whole inch midship solves the problem, grossly. It's actually 5/16". My client was very happy when he actually measured her. Holding onto the check till he was finished, I might add, he was happy, and so was my Bank account. It's a fairly straightforward build, but, I would replace all Blocks and running Sheaves with BlueJacket gear. TankerBuilder!
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Posted by rcboater on Sunday, February 4, 2024 10:49 AM

That old link doesn't work anymore-   here's a new link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210228001356/http://www.steelnavy.com/Alabama&Kearsarge.htm

 

rcboater

Have you seen this writeup that compares the Revell Kearsarge and Alabama kits? http://www.steelnavy.com/Alabama&Kearsarge.htm

Interesting reading. There's no date, but I think I remember first reading it back in the early 2000s. (Back when we hadn't seen a release of the Kearsarge on the market for over 30 years!)

The author points out that the Kearsarge kit is a mix of 1864 and post-1888 refit features, while the Alabama is a modification of the Kearsarge molds to try to make it look different, but has some serious dimension and shape errors... (The Alabama was 11 feet longer than Kearsarge, for starters.)

The conclusion is that the best way to get an accurate Kearsarge model is to start with an Alabama hull!

As I said, very interesting reading. Even if you're not looking to undertake such a big conversion project, you may get some ideas about simpler changes you could make to Kearsarge to make her look more like the the 1864 version.....

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:05 AM

Gene,

I tried the ScaleDecks Alabam deck and I love it!  I used Gorilla glue to hold it down and it works like a charm.  The hull is together, the deck in place, and most of the subassemblies that I could use are put together. I had a problem with the Revell Bridge Stanchions and trashed them as unusable, and I ordered the BlueJacket parts instead. They should be here soon.  My new pivot gun rails are mounted on the deck and they look great.  Pictures coming . . .

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:17 PM

  Bill, you are a bear for wear on scratching, but I used to be too when I was building trains. I would photograph old mines & buildings out west & come home & draw them & build them . 

  Mike, thanks, but what was that French you threw at me? 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 2:06 PM

Just beautiful!

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:48 AM

Bill, I am anxious to se the pictures.  How did you make the different deck pices? I just enjoy simple building anymore & I specially like doing the hull & all details. This reminds me of my good friend years ago. He was a really super modeler & ships & trains were his favorite. He used to go over to Palm beach ,the island & rich,& repair their antique ship models.

  I was building my first wood ships & I had about 4 hulls done & no rigging. He got after me & said it wasn't hard, just start doing it. I told him I liked the hulls & he said , rig it. So I did & started from the center out. I finally learned.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:03 AM

Gene,

They look great together! I wish that I could work as fast as you do. I will send pics of my Alabama before the weekend.  I am scratchbuilding all the deck furniture and gratings. It's amazing how a project can start off as a fairly straight-forward model but spiral into far more complexities than planned.

Bill

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Posted by LIVIT on Monday, February 26, 2018 12:31 PM

I have seen Gene's collection personally. It is very impressive, his house is like a model museum and the displays along with the cases are beautifully done. It is very obvious his lovely wife has had a lot to do with it. Gene if your need room, I still have room at my house Big Smile  Hope to get time to visit again in the next week or so my friend... Dale

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, February 26, 2018 12:00 PM

Jim, I haven't any room left upstair for more models. I am really pushing my luck anyway. I have about 150 fighters from pre WW1 to new jets, 2 wood riverboats, the Constitution & a Balttimor Clipper , afull case of cars in the foyer next to the Living room & some real nice Ferraris in a case, oh & the Nina, Pinta & Santa Maria & a Revell Mayflower & that is just in the Living room. Then I have at least 20 more bigger boats downstairs along with 40 1/72 fighters & another 140  1/24 cars & more. Does that show my wife loves me. I used to have a 7'x14' train layout down there too. My big 10'x18' train layout went in the living room in our other houses. 

    Jim, I will send you a bunch of pictures of each.

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:27 AM

Gene,

     You have outdone yourself!  They look great together. Just enough difference in hull color to present that adversarial look. All the shrouds/rat lines look nice an tight too . I will give you a call for advice on that Heller tool when I am ready to do standing rigging.

     Please post some side views (And all the other views you can think of).  Best OOB build ever.  And you know I love your simple approach to the copper hull "weathering".   Thank You!

    So, where will Mary Ann let you display them?    And how do they look next to your Constitution?  Don't tell us you have not tried that....

     Jim.

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:25 AM

I have posted some above with my protacter alongside, but the angles in the picture do not line up but they really do. I will post one in the next pictures I take.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:57 PM

Very nice! I'd love to see a true side view of the 'Bama with that rakish look.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:28 PM

Here are some more.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:25 PM

 I just took these pictures of my Kearsarge & Alabama together. I still have a little work to do on both, but I thought they would look good here.

More next.

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:35 PM

GM. I'm sozrry that I hadn't answered your post as I just checked this site. The screw is just the kit one with MM brass lacquer on it. I have never seen after market screws that were that much better then a kit one that is cleaned up & lacquered. 

    During WW2 a kamakazi got one of the screws on my brothers BB Indiana & they had to come back to get a new one. He said he went to Pearl & we thought he came to the US.  They were hit 3 times with Kamakazi's. Not to much damage to a Battleship. We never lost a BB after Pearl Harbor.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:55 AM

Gene I noticed that great looking screw in one of your views. Is it the kit one improved? I couldn't find a reference in the text.

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:27 PM

warshipguy

Nino,

Thanks for that! Now, I would like to know what was meant by "drab" inboard bulwarks as well as "bright" lower masts.  But, I believe that the buff colors are as good as any given the many paintings available. Thank you for this post!

GM,

I agree that the Bluejacket kit is a great kit and is eminently buildable.  But, we are having a great time trying to get as much as we can out of the Revell kit. And, the discussion is great! This is the most fun I have had here in a long time! Also, I plan on purchasing the Bluejacket kit soon.  It will make a great comparison with the Revell kit. 

Happy modeling!

Bill

 

    So " Bright Lower masts" usually means varnished wood.  Most everything, else except the deck, is painted on the Alabama so that bright wood "color" would add a lot of interest.

      Today, in between restarting my modeling and catching up on Email, I joined the Civil War Talk forum. https://civilwartalk.com/threads/captain-semmes-css-alabama-operational-orders.135683/#post-1567879.  They seem to have some very knowledgeable folks there including Andy Hall who does 3D renders of various ships and has done excellent research on ships such as the USS Hatteras.

link:  https://civilwartalk.com/threads/aye-candy-u-s-s-hatteras-ver-2-0.88965/

      While reading books and surfing the Web over the last couple of months I came across some other interesting tidbits. Fourth Lieutenant Arthur Sinclair wrote about the Alabama guns in his book about Life Aboard the Alabama. He wrote:…Now we have Gunner Cuddy with his mates, polish in hand; for you must know that the battery is to be blackened, pumiced, and polished to a degree to put to blush a dude’s patent leather.”

      My Grandkids saw 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea a few weeks ago and they want me to build a “Nautilus” . I went to the attic this morning and dug out a Revell Snap-together 1/100 “Nautilus" kit. (I know it’s not the right version!)  Wasn’t the 20,000 Leagues Nautilus contemporary with post Civil war era ships?  Hey, a post Civil War Kearsarge and a 20,000 Leagues Nautilus encounter…. One can only dream.

     Nino

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:04 PM

You probably couldn't go wrong with a grayed down yellow/buff for the bulwarks. My cannon carriages look good on the "live" guns, but look too light in the pictures. The gold line on the hull & rear is on a lot of the good paintings so I did it. It was a pain, & I had to blacken the tops of the stripe because even with masking & putting a clear lacquer over the tape, I didn't get the line I wanted. I wish I had a mini roller that I could coat just the top of any stripes.

   The 560 glue with me sets faster than what some say. On glueing a cannon , about 15 minutes & it is set but can still be pulled off. Maybe thinning it a hair on glueng the deck would be good, but I'm not sure. 560 is what I would use, but just make sure that you don't have to move it around much. Once you use that stuff you will love it & use it wherever you can.Where paint is involved you can't beat it. It won't hurt paint & comes right off until it dries.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:50 AM

Gene,

I do like the mix for the same reason, but am experimenting with the color for my inboard side of the bulwarks.  I have also been working on some modifications of the deck furniture to coincide with Bowcock's descriptions and illustrations.  I hope to send you more photos by this weekend.

I have narrowed the scuppers a little from the photos I had sent previously. I like the effect.  I do hope to have my deck in place and am planning on using the "560" glue on your recommendation.  I'll let you know how it works,

I hope that you are doing well from your extractions!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:33 AM

Jim, You are a bulldog when it comes to getting information. That was a super article for the description of the Alabama. I didn't get to work yesterday as I had a dermatologist & a dentist to get thru.I am 2 teeth short now. Oh boy. I am anxiously waiting for Bills pictures. 

   How do you find all that stuff when no one else can?

  Bill, I still like the German gray or a mix because it does deaden the hull color. Most of the paintings that I have seen of the Alabama do show a buff like color inside. I also think that a light wood color for the mast would be discribed as "bright".  I am going down now to start the masts. I will probably put brass rod in the bow sprit & main mast & paint them either Tamiya wooden deck tan or MM dark tan.& black doubleings & spars. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:34 AM

Nino,

Thanks for that! Now, I would like to know what was meant by "drab" inboard bulwarks as well as "bright" lower masts.  But, I believe that the buff colors are as good as any given the many paintings available. Thank you for this post!

GM,

I agree that the Bluejacket kit is a great kit and is eminently buildable.  But, we are having a great time trying to get as much as we can out of the Revell kit. And, the discussion is great! This is the most fun I have had here in a long time! Also, I plan on purchasing the Bluejacket kit soon.  It will make a great comparison with the Revell kit. 

Happy modeling!

Bill

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Posted by Nino on Monday, January 22, 2018 6:25 PM

warshipguy

Gentlemen,

Here is a question that well-deserves discussion.  What was the external color of the ship? I have seen black. I have seen gray. I have seen white trim and no off-setting color on the trim.  What are your thoughts?

Bill

 

 Bill,
     As you know I've had some time available to do some research.  I have some answers at least as far as 1862 goes.  The Captain of the ship Brilliant reported details of the Alabama to try and assist in her capture. Excerpt below.
 
Archive.org/stream/proceedingsofcha00newy/proceedingsofcha00newy_djvu.txt
 
“At a special meeting of the Chamber of Commerce of the
State of New-York, held Tuesday, October 21st, 1862, "to
consider what action, if any, should be taken in consequence
of the burning at sea, by the steamer Alabama, of the ship
Brilliant and other vessels,…”
 
“…statement which has appeared in the daily papers 
(New York Journal of Commerce, et al)of the city,
as emanating from Captain Hagar, of the ship Brilliant."
 
 
“She is a wooden vessel, propelled "by a screw, coppered bottom, about 210 feet long, rather narrow, painted black outside and drab inside, has a round stern, billet head, very little shear, flush deck fore and aft, a bridge forward at the smoke stack, carries two large black boats on cranes amidships forward of the main rigging, two black quarter-boats between the main and mizzen masts, one small black boat over the stern on cranes. The spare spars on a gallows between the bridge and foremast show above the rail. She carries three long 32-pounders on a side, and is pierced for two more amidships ; has a 100 pound rifled pivot gun forward of the bridge, and a 68 pound pivot on the main deck; has tracks laid forward for a pivot 'bow-gun, and tracks aft for a pivot stern- chaser, all of which she will take on board to complete her armament, fler guns are of the Blakely pattern, and manufactured by 'Wesley & Preston, Liverpool, 1862. She is bark rigged, has very long bright lower masts and black mast-heads, yards black, long yard-arms, short poles, (say one to two feet,) with small dog vanes on each, and appendant to the main studding-sail booms on the fore and main, and has wire rigging, carries on her foremast a square foresail, large trysail with two reefs, topgallant sail and royal. On the mainmast, a large trysail with two reefs and a bonnet. No square main- sail bent, topsail two reefs, topgallant sail and royal. On the mizzen mast, a very large spanker and a short three-cornered gaft topsail, has a fore and foretopmast staysail and jib. Has had no staysails to the main or mizzen masts bent, or royal yards aloft.  It is represented to go thirteen knots under canvas and fifteen under steam.”

  

     Nino

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:33 PM

 GM, I think I paid somewhere near $10 or so for my first Kearsarge & Alabama. The one I am building must have been a late one & had a store sticker of $93 on it. Then I bought my first new car in 1950 for $1527 , a 1950 Studebaker Champion. A new Ford I believe was around $1675. I liked it a lot better then before our leaders led us down the path. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:14 AM

I'm going to just toss in something here and then shut up.

The best model kit of the Alabama is currently available. 

The best prices for the Revell Alabama seem to be north of $ 100.00. Thats a 1000% mark up on what the kit cost the maker.

For $ 739.00 a kit is available that is very accurate and buildable.

That would be my choice.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by LIVIT on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:02 PM

Looking forward to you and Bill's build threads. Those Cottage guns look really nice, I would also get the Scaledeck for it, since they have the corrected the gun pivots and I really like the looks of the Scaledeck I am using on my Constitution build.    Dale

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:11 PM

Hi Dale, just give me a call anytime. I still see Alabama's on ebay a lot. About the cheapest good price is around $100 or slightly less. I am having a lot of fun with mine & just painted the deck furniture & built my Cottage guns. The guns finish nice. I am building it stock & used the kit deck.

   Warship guy & I are both going to put 2 threads on the Alabama pretty quick. Bill is making a lot of corrections on his.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:21 PM

Revell re-released it about 10 years ago. I know, that's A LONG TIME.

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