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US WWII hull red
Posted by goldhammer88 on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 8:55 PM

Probably should have asked this in paint page, but here goes.

Looking for a source for hull red for a Liberty ship build.  Since MM went away, only thing I've run across is Vallejo 71.039, out of the Allied set.

Any other brands (prefer acrylic), or possibly a mix ratio for Tamiya.  Their hull red is ok for IJN, but not US.

Thanks

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:06 PM

Mission Models MMP-111, Anti Fouling Hull Red Norfolk 65A

 

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 9:34 PM

Thanks stik, I'll order some.

Edit....on the way, along with their thinner, just incase Testors acrylic thinner isn't compatible.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 10:08 PM

goldhammer88

Thanks stik, I'll order some.

Edit....on the way, along with their thinner, just incase Testors acrylic thinner isn't compatible.

 

I don't believe that the two types work together. One of the many "joys" of acrylics... incompatible formulas and thinners.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 10:28 PM

Wouldn't surprise me.  I try to stick with maker's recommendation..... I have enough problems already.

But can mix a few drops in a cup and see what happens.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:31 PM

Well the thing is that Liberty ships were not Navy ships and were built in various civilian yards all over the country.

Their paint colors didn't really follow any uniform standard, topside Gray being the prime example. 5-O is pretty close usually, but any kind of red oxide on the bottom works.

Also the Trumpeter top bottom split is a little high up the sides.

And despite the comic pages, the decks on civilian Libertys are the same color as the verticals.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:53 PM

Thanks GM.  That's what I've gleaned from an old thread from somewhere that one of the crew of the O'Brien chimed in on.  Also said the color split was at the 10' line, and no boot. He added the top of the stack and upper mast were black.

Going to prime anyway as I had to sand the seam between upper and lower hulls.

Got several bottles of MM 5-O.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:57 PM

I used True North anti-fouling paint of my stalled Titanic buiild.   Nice paint and lots of naval paint - maybe take a look

https://www.truenorthpaints.com/paintstore

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:04 AM

Thanks.  Took a look, and will keep in mind for future, but not big on enamels, shot too much of it as a painter in the auto body industry.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:31 AM

No boot.

And no Sherman tanks on the hatch covers!

Bill

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:44 PM

Included in the Vallejo Nuclear Submarine paint set (71.611) is the Model Air Fire Red (71.084), slightly oranger than rusty primer red.  I also like Reaper MSP 9242 Carrot Top Red.

Reaper's Rust Brown (9072) is a bit redder, Auburn Shadow (9241) is a bit browner

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, September 16, 2021 1:20 PM

goldhammer88

Thanks stik, I'll order some.

Edit....on the way, along with their thinner, just incase Testors acrylic thinner isn't compatible.

 

They are absoluty not compatable. That's my only beef I have with Mission. Thin with their thinner and clean the AB with watter. Anything else will break up the paint and you'll have paint chips and specks to clog your brush. I have found that Vallejo thinner works ok. I love Mission other than that. It's just not compatable with other acrylics.

Steve

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Thursday, September 16, 2021 1:55 PM

Thanks for the heads up.  I'll stick with mission thinner.

GM - NOT going to be building any 1/350 Shermans. Indifferent

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Friday, September 17, 2021 4:19 PM

Surprised to find my Mission paint order in the mail today.  Just ordered it Tuesday afternoon.

Pretty good service from Spray Gunner and the USPS.

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:54 AM

Testors used to have a British Crimson that was a good color for seagoing bottoms, but I have not seen it in ages. 

For freshwater hulls I usually use red oxide primer, which is widely available.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 18, 2021 11:06 AM

rocketman2000

Testors used to have a British Crimson that was a good color for seagoing bottoms, but I have not seen it in ages. 

For freshwater hulls I usually use red oxide primer, which is widely available.

 

Yes, that was in their Model Master II line of colors. It's now OOP.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, September 18, 2021 11:16 AM

Another one I like is the Ace Hardware spraycan version of actual Rustoleum primer. It's got more red, less Tuscan brown than rustoleum.

 

Bill

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, September 19, 2021 1:22 PM

GMorrison
And despite the comic pages, the decks on civilian Libertys are the same color as the verticals.

Some of the lines used green, blue, even red decks--if that was Company practice.  As was whether is was all decks or only weather decks or the like.

Often, the only thing consistent about merchies is their inconsistency.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, September 19, 2021 8:38 PM

I was thinking of Maritime Commission service.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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