The Omni debarcle continues

superviper88

Member since
January 2004

Posted by superviper88 on Sunday, May 2, 2004 5:42 AM

Hrmm... does this problem happen with the Badger Anthem too?

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Sunday, May 2, 2004 7:03 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV

Tweety and Saltydog,

How are you tightening the head on your Omni's?
Are you using a wrench?

Mike

At first I would tighten it up finger tight, then with the supplied spanner, a quick nip up, and thats it. No more than 1 mm of movement from finger tight.

Now I just do it up finger tight, cause I have the thing apart to clean so many times it's not funny.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, May 2, 2004 10:18 AM

I don't think it's the paint as I spray both Gunze & Tamiya without any issues what so ever from my 4000..

Come to think of it, I even spray Lifecolor, which contains coarser pigments than either of the other two brands without a problem.

Hope you get it sorted soon.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, May 2, 2004 11:10 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

At first I would tighten it up finger tight, then with the supplied spanner, a quick nip up, and thats it. No more than 1 mm of movement from finger tight.

Now I just do it up finger tight, cause I have the thing apart to clean so many times it's not funny.

The reason I asked is because I emailed my buddy and told him about the problem that you and Saltydog are both having, and he sent me the following email:

QUOTE: OK, all Omni 4000s that have the needle bearing come stock with a teflon unit. They are all solvent proof. It sounds like the head assembly is either too tight or too loose. Either condition will cause line skipping or a pulsating effect. In most cases, Omnis and Vegas like to have the head assy set finger tight only. Needle centering has nothing to do with the problem. The person in Alabama is probably having the same problem. The Omni 5000 does not ever come with a needle bearing, the 4000 is the only one, and not all of them have it. Tell both of these folks to try loosening the head a bit, and if that doesn't work, tighten it until the problem stops. Anthems are prone to the same thing.

I don't know if this helps or not but this is what he said and he helped design the Omni and Vega line.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 2, 2004 2:06 PM

Ahhh, well that explains why I don't have a clue what a "needle bearing"is, since I have the 5000. So Mike, do you think the needle bearing may be causing it to go askew? I checked mine again, and it is pretty smooth action, if it goes off center, it is so minimal as not be seen by human eyes. It must be good to have the inside track with the designer, eh Mike??!! I hope that his suggestions help solve Tweety, and Saltydog's problems.....nothing like having a useless airbrush to ruin a modeling session.

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, May 2, 2004 4:09 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by kik36

Ahhh, well that explains why I don't have a clue what a "needle bearing"is, since I have the 5000. So Mike, do you think the needle bearing may be causing it to go askew? I checked mine again, and it is pretty smooth action, if it goes off center, it is so minimal as not be seen by human eyes.

No, the needle bearing wouldn't be causing this problem I don't think, but I could be wrong.

QUOTE: It must be good to have the inside track with the designer, eh Mike??!!

Actually he wasn't the designer but he along with a few other well-known T-shirt artists had some input on the design.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Monday, May 3, 2004 1:34 AM

Well, you can do the head up as far as the thread will let you, any further, and you no longer have a warranty!!!

I'll try slipping an 'O' ring in the haed ass'y, to give me a little more play, and give that a go.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:27 AM

I would buy a bottle of Model Master enamel and a can of their airbrush thinner and try that out just to see if the acrylics are your problem as they can be difficult at times. What I do is reverse that aircap on the end of the Omni 4000 so that the needle is exposed and then start painting your line. If the line skips then I will point the airbrush off into the air and blast a little paint with full trigger, then wipe the end of the needle clean with my fingernails as I blow air through the airbrush by pressing the trigger down only. Then try starting the line again.
You might want to see if you can find some acrylic retarder to slow down the acrylic drying time also as that seems to help a lot of people with bad tip dry problems.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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MusicCity

Member since
January 2004
From: USA

Posted by MusicCity on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:32 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

I'll try slipping an 'O' ring in the haed ass'y, to give me a little more play, and give that a go.

Hang On!! Mike, shouldn't there already BE an o-ring on his Omni? My 3000 has an o-ring between the head and body assembly.

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page

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roosterfish

Member since
November 2003
From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Monday, May 3, 2004 9:38 AM

My Omni 4000 and Vega have an O-ring between the head and body. I hope the others with Omni problems have the O-ring on their airbrushes. It would make an air leak (air pressure loss) problem without it.

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Monday, May 3, 2004 11:55 AM

hello guys, i back up after a lightning storm knocked out my modem saturday. my omni has an o-ring on the head assembly but i did airbrush for a while without it with no problems a while back. i just read the tightening or loosening the head thing so mike, i'll try that before i send to you. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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roosterfish

Member since
November 2003
From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Monday, May 3, 2004 5:14 PM

I put the parts on my airbrushes finger tight + one snug more. Tell us how your test result goes, Salty.

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:51 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

I'll try slipping an 'O' ring in the haed ass'y, to give me a little more play, and give that a go.

Hang On!! Mike, shouldn't there already BE an o-ring on his Omni? My 3000 has an o-ring between the head and body assembly.

Yes there is. I think he meant putting an extra one on so that he could try and get a better seal.
The O-ring doesn't do a whole lot on the Omni's anyhow as you can sometimes see windex bubbling out of the head area when spraying out the airbrush. It is no big deal really.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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MusicCity

Member since
January 2004
From: USA

Posted by MusicCity on Monday, May 3, 2004 8:52 PM

That's most likely the case. When he said something about putting an o-ring on it the first thing that came to mind was that there isn't one there.

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 4:13 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity

That's most likely the case. When he said something about putting an o-ring on it the first thing that came to mind was that there isn't one there.

That is the case MusicCity.
At this point I'm willing to try anything possible to get this brush to work correctly.

MikeV, as far as retarders go, I posted a little earlier that I've tried 4 different types of retarder, and while the paint did take longer to dry on the test model, it didn't do alot for my brush.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 8:44 PM

Tweety1,

Do you have access to any Model Master enamels as I mentioned before?

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 8:09 AM

Mike, I just did a search on the net for MM paints in Australia, and came back with nothing.

But all that means is that places with websites listed dont stock them, but maybe some small hs somewhere may have them, but that could take a while.

Ordering them from OS is an unlikely option, due to paints being flammable, it would have to come surface mail, 2-3 months.

In the mean time I have ordered another retarder brand, so I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Suffice to say, I have pretty much given myself up to the fact I will have to purchase another brush to do the finer detail I need.
Not a happy camper Angry [:(!]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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roosterfish

Member since
November 2003
From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:15 AM

Bump...

Am I the only one with an Omni 4000 airbrush that works? Did anyone else get to test their Omni to see if the sputtering paint, dry tip, is still a problem?

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:49 AM

i havent had a chance to play with mine this week rooster. not likely that i'll have a chance tonight as i have to play basketball with my youth group at church tonight. those young bucks all but kill me every wenesday night. Black Eye [B)]

we play full contact basketball if you know what i mean. i'm have intentions to break it out tomorrow night and we'll see. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:47 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish

Bump...

Am I the only one with an Omni 4000 airbrush that works? Did anyone else get to test their Omni to see if the sputtering paint, dry tip, is still a problem?

roosterfish,

My Omni 4000 sprays great. Big Smile [:D]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:48 PM

Tweety1,

Did Ken at Badger ever get back to you on this?

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:09 PM

My Omni works great and has for a few years now and I have had no problems with it..
John

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:14 PM

well, my omni "sprays" great if i'm doing broad coverage fellows, but the fine line is impossible at this time. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, May 6, 2004 3:59 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV

Tweety1,

Did Ken at Badger ever get back to you on this?

Mike

No Mike, haven't heard anything yet.
Not surprised though, from your previous post where you said he was all over the country side on business trips.

He must have jet lag from hell, poor soul.

It's OK though, I'm not expecting any miracles.
If I lived in the same country this would be a hell of alot easier.

Just gotta save my money again and purchase another brush.

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Thursday, May 6, 2004 11:04 AM

iwata hp-cs. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 7, 2004 1:15 AM

That's a damn shame guys....sorry to hear that......my Omni 5000 works like a champ!!! (Knock on wood!!!)

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Friday, May 7, 2004 9:42 AM

Well, that's what I thought my 4000 would do kik, but alas, it is not the way it turned out.
After alot of research, and reading all the posts here in respect to the Omni range, I purchased it, and haven't had a fun day since.

At the moment I'm looking at prices for Iwata stuff, namely the HP-BS.
Small cup I know, but all my Omni can do is broad patterns, so need one for finer detail.
I'm sure the Badger brushes are fine, but once bitten, twice shy.
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--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Friday, May 7, 2004 11:55 AM

tweety, i hate you have to give up so soon, but i know how frustrating it is to deal with. my omni 5000 has a small cup and i never had problems with its size. again, if you think you're gonna go for the iwata, why not the hp-cs? it has a cap for the color cup like you 4000 and i personally like it better than the uncovered. sometimes the solvent will evaporate out of your paint on long spray sessions and change the consistancy of your paint a little which effects the line you trying to achieve. maybe thats not a bother for you, but it was for me a few times. plus, if you need to answer the phone or something in the middle of a session, the paint is less apt to dry with the cap on. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:35 AM

What you say is true Salty, no arguement here.
But paint drying in the cup isn't an issue anymore, thanks to the Omni I add so much retarder it takes 15 minutes for the paint to dry on the model.

Cup size isn't an issue, seeing as the Iwata will be for detail work, and the Omni shall be reduced to base colours and priming.

Mind you, on the upside this is a great counter arguement for the Aztek bagging that goes on in this forum, don't ya think
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Oh, and as for the phone ringing, I've made a steadfast rule in my house.

Once I get the chance to do some modelling, I only leave the room for toilet breaks, food, fire, or other equally life threatening issues.
I do not break this rule, and will not allow anyone else to break it for me.

Except for my son, we both enjoy our playtime together Big Smile [:D]

Some things you just can't say no too Wink [;)]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Saturday, May 8, 2004 9:20 AM

your rules are funny tweety, i wish i could do that but when my phone rings its usually a client that i'm building a house for or wants one built so i gotta answer the phone in order to eat. Wink [;)]

i know what you mean about the play time with your son, i have a 3 year old daughter who frequents my office/hobby room and i've even got her broke in on airbrushing. the other day, she dug my omni 5000 out from under the table where i store things that i dont use much Sad [:(]

, and she said, "daddy, can i have this since you dont want it no more, its sure pretty." i let her pull the trigger and spray on some paper while i actually hold the airbrush. she loves it.

getting back to the subject, did you try the loosening and tightening of the air cap tweety? i havent had a chance to try it with my omni yet, but maybe today i can try it because all i have on the agenda is to cut the grass and haul off some junk the wife is wanting removed from the house.......oh, and i gotta assemble a toy box for my daughter. i was wondering if that would work or not. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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