Hunting Hitler

I just think that if such a thing were to have occured, it would have been impossible to keep secret.

That's about the same as folks who think BinLaden was killed in Tora Bora in 2001, but we held onto the remains for 10 years and a new administration to take credit for. 

Its just tabloid TV. What's the old saying? Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see...

No one is disputing the conclusions of the dental records. It's the source of those records that could be suspect.

The victors always write the history. Is all the information that we have been provided over the years all one hundred percent true?

Could there have been reasons to alter, if not downright misrepresent, those conclusions?

All (and I do mean, all) information that we are given is subject to scrutiny, regardless of source.

The forensic dental analysis is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of his death in Berlin. Read the report to which I've previously linked and see if you can dispute its conclusions.

I agree with you, Stik, about the History channel becoming nothing more than a whole lot of hooey and hype. I cancelled it's services years ago.

On the subject of Hitler; it is very likely that he could have escaped, along with certain other members to another part of the world. There has never been any positive identification regarding his remains, although there have been claims otherwise. I guess it all comes down to what information that we choose to believe; after all, none of us were ever actually there and I doubt if anyone here actually 'saw' him in person.

I certainly cannot prove that he escaped, anymore than anyone else can prove that he didn't.

The possibility is there, nevertheless.

Conspiracy theories. I hear he's still alive , on the island of Avalon with JFK  and Arthur.

Well the "History Channel" is a shadow of its' former self, and not really deserving of the name any longer. Nowadays it is just another tabloid cable channel catering to the lowest common denominator. I cut the cable this summer and don't miss it one bit.

Sad to think that the networks are drumming up this sort of trash in an effort to attract the uniformed and gullible.  Thankfully, modelling and a love of history go hand in hand so I'm relieved to see that the folk here know which way is up.  

PS:  I did read a book called "The Berkut" about Hitlers escape from Berlin and the Soviet team sent by Uncle Joe to find him.  Adolph ended his days locked in a steel cage personally designed by Stalin.  A good read.

Just a couple of things to consider:

1.  As mentioned, it is very well documented and believed that Hitler had Parkinson's.  That would have only progressed and without medical treatment, he would have been incapacitated in a short period of time.  the effects of years of drugs on him had turned him into a shell at best.  His personal physician (Theodore Morrell) was told to leave the bunker with several others a short time before the end.  Hitler was to have said he needed no more medical help.  It is also known that Hitler considered Morrell indispensible and always had him close by.  If he said he needed no more medical help and turned his trusted "pusher" away, how could he have been contemplating an escape?

2.  Martin Borman's remains were ID'd via DNA in the 90s I believe.  He was so trusted by and attached to Hitler; why would he leave him if Hitler was alive and going to escape?  Hitler always showed loyalty to Borman and I can't believe Hitler would send off both of these two just before getting on a U-Boat for several months

I am not saying it isn't good entertainment and supposedly plausible, but there are many who still think Elvis is alive and well:)

John

waikong

Wait, nobody commented on Fush Yumeng's comments? This is also my understanding, the dental records on the jaw has been positively identified as that of Hitler. The skull was thought to be Hilter, but no one ever tried verifying before the the DNA. So did the History channel talk about the Dental records (didnt' see the show), if they didn't, then they did it on purpose to create a sensational show, as I would be hard press to believe they 'forgot'. 

 

My thoughts exactly. Facts can always be manipulated and presented in a manner to create circumstances that become quite plausible. 

I also agree about the psychological profile angle. Someone like Hitler would have a hard time living incognito after having so much power and control for so long. It would be most unnatural to revert to being a "nobody". 

They have never mentioned the dental evidence and likely never will. They're very selective in what they put on their show. Only that evidence which supports the narrative they're selling gets on, anything else is dismissed or ignored.

Hmmm;

    I have Not watched it . I lost too many relatives in the conflict including my Mom In Childbirth . The U-Boats though , have always fascinated me .There is , I found a Family connection to them and the Merchant Marine too !

    I never believed he died there anyway . Just call it a gut feeling . That man was deathly afraid of the Soviets and so he should have been ! He should have been afraid of a lot of folks .To live in fear ,and looking over his shoulder is , to me a fate that was the worst .

   If My Gran Wanted to chastise me she would call me the  " Little Feuhrer " and I would behave . I was very ashamed to be called that !   T.B.     To Wit , I personally feel he DID escape .

The simplist explanations are often the most likely to be true, ie, he ended up in a pile of ashes in Berlin. These folks are uncovering some very interesting information though, I've enjoyed watching it.

I think that we have officially reached the bottom of the well. Speaking of a well...  I think that someone mentioned Hitler may be at the bottom of it.

Thanks for fighting the good fight, PTC.

I am moving on.

New topic:  You can believe everything our goverments tell you, and the media always tells the truth.

Enjoy.

No anxeity from me either. Personaly, I think its a bunch of BS to be honest. Too many wackos out there thinking he's still alive. Not you Bakster... LOL!!

Fair enough, Nathan. 

No anxiety here, No worries. It's just hard to give any credit to the History channel these days. I just believe Hitler was pure evil, and suicide is the manifestation of that evil. My analysis will never change, but I'm always up for reasonable debate. 

Since that I am the person that started this thread, I carry the responsibility for possibly causing some anxiety to readers that could be considering the theory being presented. 

This is a difficult topic to broach because the pain from WW2 still runs deep for many people. Both of my parents and their families were captives in Nazi controlled camps during the war. I can tell you that their interment had a profound impact on all of them, even to this day. The idea that Hilter may have escaped is a sickening thought, and I hope that you know that I regret any pain that this may cause you. Of course, this is all still just a theory, but it doesn't negate the pain that it may cause.

Additionally, I hope that our Russian friends don't take offense by some of my words regarding their countries actions and history. If it's any consolation to them, in my own opinion, I feel that the United States was not forthcoming on many many things as well. There is plenty of guilt to go around, and unfortunately, civilians are often the unwitting pawns in the power-plays of our governments.

Regards.

Steve

A skull fragment was recovered in or near the burial pit and was subjected to DNA testing in 2009. This revealed it to be from a woman, possibly Eva Braun. But this was discovered a year after the war, and nobody ever actually claimed it was his. The dental remnants were confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt to be his through forensic dental examination.

SPOILER: The "photo" of Hitler in Misiones is Moe Howard of the Three Stooges. http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/history-channel-thinks-moe-howard-might-be-hitler-plus-micah-hankss-confusing-views-on-speculative-fiction . Fraud.

I'm surprised it's not on AHC you know the all hitler channel lol it's pretty interesting though. I wouldn't doubt he survived 

There's also evidence he was a heavy metaphedamines user. Look at some videos of hands behinds his back shaking uncontrollably during troop inspection during the later part of the war. I have no doubt he committed suicide due to paranioa and anxiety once the news the Russians were closing in.

Impossible to prove he had escaped from the bunker especially while Berlin was getting bombarded. If so, how and when?

Nathan T

I think the best evidence that Hitler did shoot himself in the bunker is that the Soviets never went looking for him after the war. The Russians hated the Germans so much, there's no way they would've let him escape. 

 

On the surface what you are saying makes sence. The problem that I see with that theory is, who says that they didn't look? What is your proof that they didn't look for him? The otherside of the coin is that maybe you are right. Maybe they didn't look because they honestly thought that they had his body.

From what I have heard from other sources, other than the show mentioned in the original post, is that from the very beginning, Russia was less than forthright on the whole subject of Hitlers body. Even to this day we can't trust the information that comes from their official government line. 

Let's consider their story that came out many many years later. They buried some of Hitlers bones, but some pieces of the skull and jaw had been saved. Well, if the DNA test on the remaining pieces is accurate, the test concludes that the bones are from a female. That is their most recent story on the subject of Hitlers bones, and THAT, doesn't even pass the smell test. 

The DNA test is stunning. What does the test reveal?

1. Russia bungled the handling of Hitlers bones and somehow switched it with a females bones?

2. Russia purposefully switched them for some unknown reason?

3. Those are indeed the bones pulled from the pit, but they are not Hitlers remains. In this case, the German plan was to throw a body into a pit, burn it beyond recognition, and then call it Hitler. While Allied authorities try to sort out the issue, Hitler is rushed out of Germany to a safe zone in Agrentina. Hitler had wealthy friends there that would surely help him.

I think the best evidence that Hitler did shoot himself in the bunker is that the Soviets never went looking for him after the war. The Russians hated the Germans so much, there's no way they would've let him escape.