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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:04 AM

the doog

 

 
armornut

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

 

 

 

Oh, I agree--the spelling is atrocious! I see "definately" alot----NO "A" in "definiitely"! But you have to realize too, with the whole spelling thing, that very often a spelling "mistake" is the fault of that damned "auto-fill" feature. Sometimes when I'm posting on my iPad, the stupidest things get put in that sometimes don't even make sense. I'm always having to proofread my posts to make sure I don't sound like a....millenial. :)

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:54 AM

Does an emoji countHmm

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:20 PM

the doog

 

 
fermis

 

 

 There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words).

 

 

 

You know, I get that charge ALL THE TIME, and I don't understand it. I admit; I have a very advanced vocabulary (apparently?!) and I like to use it. It's not being pretentious; it's choosing exactly-specific words to accurately convey what I mean or want to say. I look at it like an art; it's like weathering your sentences with exactly the effect that you want to make your sentence look like and make the reader/observer feel. But if I had a dime for every commentator on some of the political blogs that I go on who say "You think you're smart with your big words..", I'd be a rich man. It has nothing to do with that---it's all about the art and skill of concise communication.

 

 

 My comment was in no way, an accusation towards you. I have never felt that way when reading any of your writing here. I have only felt that about one person here, and I don't believe he's around anymore (he tended to show up, only when there was an argument). Anyway, not to be a kiss@$$, but I can only compliment you on your "wordsmithery".

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:53 PM

fermis

 

 

 There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words).

 

You know, I get that charge ALL THE TIME, and I don't understand it. I admit; I have a very advanced vocabulary (apparently?!) and I like to use it. It's not being pretentious; it's choosing exactly-specific words to accurately convey what I mean or want to say. I look at it like an art; it's like weathering your sentences with exactly the effect that you want to make your sentence look like and make the reader/observer feel. But if I had a dime for every commentator on some of the political blogs that I go on who say "You think you're smart with your big words..", I'd be a rich man. It has nothing to do with that---it's all about the art and skill of concise communication.

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:48 PM

Awesome observation Pontiac, true. Doog just to rib ya a bit definitely, I observed a third "i" tucked in there....just saying LOL.

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Posted by PontiacRich on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:44 PM

the doog

 

 
Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

 

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

 

 
The "R" seems to be a geographical issue.  Being from Boston, people accuse me of not using R's (as in car is cah!) yet we seem to put R's at the end of words that end in a vowel (as pizza is pronounced pizzer).  Yet when I lived in Washington State, Washington was pronounced WaRshington by many natives.

Rich - "And when the Band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" - Pink Floyd

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:42 PM

LOL Doog, yea my wife and brother in law,( brother-in-law?), finally shut my auto correct function off, I prefer to spell my curse words and mean them. Being from up northern way the local vernacular does take some....getting used to....Zip it!. Got a fresh bottle of hickory in the fridge. What time should I expect ya?                 

T.B. never doubt that what ya type is for sure what you mean. Always a pleasure to share a laugh witchya. 

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:27 PM

Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:24 PM

armornut

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

 

Oh, I agree--the spelling is atrocious! I see "definately" alot----NO "A" in "definiitely"! But you have to realize too, with the whole spelling thing, that very often a spelling "mistake" is the fault of that damned "auto-fill" feature. Sometimes when I'm posting on my iPad, the stupidest things get put in that sometimes don't even make sense. I'm always having to proofread my posts to make sure I don't sound like a....millenial. :)

I prefer a hickory smoke on the BBQ. Stick out tongue

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Posted by Stage_Left on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:03 PM

Friends, modelers, countrymen: lend me your ears;

I've come to bury the question mark, not to praise it.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

So let it be with the question mark.

The noble 20-something hath told you that the question mark was ambitious;

If it were so, 'twas a grievous fault, 

And grievously hath the question mark answer'd it.

Here, under leave of the 20-something and the rest-

For the 20-something is an honourable man;

So are they all, all honourable men-

Come I to speak in question mark's funeral.

It was my friend, faithful and just to me;

But the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And the 20-something is an honourable man.

It hath brought many inquiries home to the page

Whose answers did the general curiosities fill. 

Did this in the question mark seem ambitious?

When that the unlearned have inquired, the question mark hath been their punctuation.

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.

Yet the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And the 20-something is an honourable man.

You all did see that on the message post,

I thrice presented it with boldface type,

Which it did thrice refuse; was this ambition?

Yet the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And, sure, he is an honourable man.

I speak not to disprove what the 20-something spoke,

But here I am to speak what I do know.

You all did love it once, not without cause;

What cause withholds you then, to mourn for it?

O judgement! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,

And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;

My heart is in the coffin there with question mark,

And I must pause till it come back to me.

 

Dave (liberally paraphrasing Shakespeare)

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:57 PM

Okay Cadet Chuck ;

   Are you trying to say some of us have no skelling spills ? That's ridiculous think I . persecution of da langwich is no mean feet . Wattevir is writtin heer it's godda be right . Dern .  T.B.

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:52 PM

armornut

Only if yauntoo, sorry Don, Fermis, couldn't resist.

 

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:05 PM

Only if yauntoo, sorry Don, Fermis, couldn't resist.

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 11:29 AM

Tanker - Builder

I am ashamed of you ! To not use cursive ? What the heck is the matter with you ? I keep telling folks this . You may print well . BUT , printing can be copied a whole lot easier than Cursive . Besides if you have six retired draftsmen/women , And one commits a crime regarding a ransom note , whom or who , do you arrest ?

 

Embarrassed

 These days, the only time I use cursive is when I write checks (yes, I still use checks!). Otherwise, I have somehow developed the habit of printing in all capital letters. I have no idea where that came from! When I first joined up here, I got "yelled at" for "YELLING" everything I said. I typed in caps, because I wrote in caps (online communication was new to me!). Having seen others do the same, since then...I can see the irritation!

 To the subject at hand. I find myself somewhere in the middle, between the obnoxious short hand/ghetto speak BS and the eloquent, articulate, well versed writing of a wordsmith. The later can be equally obnoxious though. There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words). I like things basic, but not too basic....to, two, too...you, your, you're...etc, those are basics that everyone should have a grasp on...as well as punctuation!

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:41 AM

I notice too the deterioration of spoken english.  Contractions like wouldn't, couldn't, etc.  used to have consonents sounded before the part left out.  It was could-ent, would-ent, etc.

Now, that d is omitted- people say cou-ent, wou-ent!  Shocks my ears!  That is contracting too much.

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:40 AM

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:24 PM

ManCityFan
I have been ridiculed for using full words and punctuation when texting. I have co-workers who have not figured out the difference between your and you're. Makes me crazy. I used to pride myself on having a well developed vocabulary, but with age, I am finding that I am much less erudite due to having difficulty recalling words. Having a well developed vocabulary and a good sense of humor go hand in hand. Without the vocabulary, you miss too much of the word play, and well thought out word play is a reason to live! A pun! A pun! My horse for a pun!
 

I have a "dumb phone"; a Samsung flip-phone. Takes me ten minutes to type anything at all on the very rare occasions when I text anyone, usually in reply. I ALWAYS spell my words fully, and will (annoyingly, I'm sure) ask peopel for clairification when they hit me with all of those dumb abbreviated non-words. Pisses 'em off I'm sure, but maybe it'll get them to think about it. :)

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:20 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour
the doog
 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core.

 

No need, brother. We all have opinions about Common CORE and I respect yours wholeheartedly. By no means I want to turn this into a political flamewar.

 

Thank you. Smile I appreciate your discretion and agree with you. YesBeer

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Friday, March 24, 2017 9:04 PM

Great thread, well said, all!  This leads me to another topic that I am passionate about- the lack of spelling skills prevalent today.  You can see atrocious examples here every day.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, March 24, 2017 7:36 PM

the doog

 

 
BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Sad state of affairs of our future generations. Heck, even schools nowadays don't even teach cursive writing, let alone do homework in cursive writing. I blame our government sticking their noses in how teachers should teach. As you all know, I am a stauch hater of Common CORE. This is the biggest waste of time the government has implimented. I firmly believe our government has NO business to dictate how teachers should teach our kids. Let the teachers teach the way they know best without big government watching - the old-fashioned way.

 

 

 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core. It's exactly what America needs--and it doesn't even go far enough to institute a national, universal, Science-based curriculum like all other Westernized nations have--and many of those are kicking our butts in IT and Science-based graduates who will help their nations lead this new technological age. And that's all I'll say. If you wanna argue it, you can PM me. Smile

 

I blame it on laziness, period. Our too-fast-paced society, where people can't take the time to slllooooowwww down and respect the language. I value language and vocabulary because it is such a powerful tool in so many situations. It's too bad that kids today are not taught it more rigorously.

 

 

No need, brother. We all have opinions about Common CORE and I respect yours wholeheartedly. By no means I want to turn this into a political flamewar.

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Friday, March 24, 2017 6:06 PM
Well I still write in cursive....sort of. Over the years I've invented ways of making my own cursive letters. And my chicken scratch of a signature will prove it.

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:59 PM
I have been ridiculed for using full words and punctuation when texting. I have co-workers who have not figured out the difference between your and you're. Makes me crazy. I used to pride myself on having a well developed vocabulary, but with age, I am finding that I am much less erudite due to having difficulty recalling words. Having a well developed vocabulary and a good sense of humor go hand in hand. Without the vocabulary, you miss too much of the word play, and well thought out word play is a reason to live! A pun! A pun! My horse for a pun!

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:41 PM

Vell Now ! You see , Vit da zenze of Hummer the volrd is the ting to not be vorrying about . No really , I enjoy a good sense of humor . I have a rather deep one at times and my Landlady or her daughter don't get it . Shame on them .

    By the way is that your cat ? ? She's as they say , the Cat's " Meow " . T.B.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:36 PM

the doog
 
Bish

 

 
Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

 

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

 

 

 

Haha!! Yes, you ARE! Big Smile Glad that you guys have a sense of humor about it. Wink It's just a huge pet peeve of mine, and it's because I honestly have a love affair with language and vocabulary. I respect someone who can motivate a crowd or mend a heart or bring me to tears with words that rip right into the heart and find that magic button that triggers the desired response. I just see so much of today's conversation as banal blather.

I'm glad--relieved, really--that this has gotten a positive and understanding response among friends here. Smile

 

 

 

I'm english old boy, a sense of humour is compulsory.

 

Didn't you know that    Big Smile

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:19 PM

Some of us even curse in writiveEmbarrassed

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:14 PM

Tanker - Builder

Modelcrazy ;

I am ashamed of you ! To not use cursive ? What the heck is the matter with you ? I keep telling folks this . You may print well . BUT , printing can be copied a whole lot easier than Cursive . Besides if you have six retired draftsmen/women , And one commits a crime regarding a ransom note , whom or who , do you arrest ?

 Now that said I always get complements on my cursive signature .Why ? Well , it sets me apart .Plus  , it's a definite marker of who I am . The letters flow with a certain mix of surety and self confidence . Who , Me ? That's what they say . Plus this . When you use cursive it marks you as you , not some jamoke down the road .

 This is the final form of self identification . It's like this , which do you want ? A blood drop on a contract to prove it's you ? Or a nice flowing group of letters that says , Hey look , this is me ! Posted by , who else  ? ? ?  Tanker-Builder  !

 

I still write in cursive. :)

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:14 PM

Bish

 

 
Gamera
 
Bish

Guilty as charged. Embarrassed

 

 

 

Ditto

Yeap, I didn't even notice my comment about your T54 turret was a question instead of a statement till you added question marks to your quote of my post. 

Frankly these days I'm lucky to get my pants on with the zipper in the front and my shoes on the right feet when I get up much less proper grammer, punctuation, and sentence structure. Dunce

 

 

 

Seems like we are both in the naughty corner Big Smile

 

Haha!! Yes, you ARE! Big Smile Glad that you guys have a sense of humor about it. Wink It's just a huge pet peeve of mine, and it's because I honestly have a love affair with language and vocabulary. I respect someone who can motivate a crowd or mend a heart or bring me to tears with words that rip right into the heart and find that magic button that triggers the desired response. I just see so much of today's conversation as banal blather.

I'm glad--relieved, really--that this has gotten a positive and understanding response among friends here. Smile

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:11 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Sad state of affairs of our future generations. Heck, even schools nowadays don't even teach cursive writing, let alone do homework in cursive writing. I blame our government sticking their noses in how teachers should teach. As you all know, I am a stauch hater of Common CORE. This is the biggest waste of time the government has implimented. I firmly believe our government has NO business to dictate how teachers should teach our kids. Let the teachers teach the way they know best without big government watching - the old-fashioned way.

 

I don't want to turn this light-hearted thread political, but I strongly support Common Core. It's exactly what America needs--and it doesn't even go far enough to institute a national, universal, Science-based curriculum like all other Westernized nations have--and many of those are kicking our butts in IT and Science-based graduates who will help their nations lead this new technological age. And that's all I'll say. If you wanna argue it, you can PM me. Smile

I blame it on laziness, period. Our too-fast-paced society, where people can't take the time to slllooooowwww down and respect the language. I value language and vocabulary because it is such a powerful tool in so many situations. It's too bad that kids today are not taught it more rigorously.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, March 24, 2017 5:06 PM
Ha TB, I'd have to reteach myself cursive at this point. We had to practice block letters to perfection, and I guess it just stuck.

Steve

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Posted by the doog on Friday, March 24, 2017 4:59 PM

silentbob33
This is the best thing I've read in a long time. As a high school teacher, I deal with it on a daily basis, especially with the introduction of Chromebooks into my classroom. So far I've been able to get them to stop with text speak, and to start using some punctuation...even if they aren't using it correctly. It makes me glad I'm not an English teacher.
 

Keep fighting the good fight! You have my permission to read this to them in class. Smile

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