Build a " turd"

Tcoat

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OH COME ON

 

You forgot to put the / before the second URL.  

As someone who has been building Turds all their life, I find this thread highly offensive!

That a group of elite modelers would find it fun or enjoyable to slum it for a bit as defacto "turd builders" boarders on cultural appropriation and should not be tolerated!

Of course I'm kidding - although my fist sentence is more accurate than I'd like. If this becomes a group build effort I'll gladly join it as my first gateway GB.

  Thanks for the heart attack JoeSMG,  I was concerned that my thread might be taken that way.

    Thank you for understanding that it WAS NOT my intent. An "elite" modeler I am not I intended it to be more of a walk down memory lane when we were less worried about details, workmanship, and more about bombing coffee tables or charging across moms freshly vacuumed carpet.

      For the record I call all my builds " turds" some are really good....others.....not so much , but the fact is I'm proud, as should every builder, of those turds. That is one of the things that make this community great.....we get it.

     I am glad things are brought forth so I can try to explain the title. Now WHERE IS THE DEFIBRELATER??

     For information it is not my intent to proctor a group build...I still haven't made good on my efforts to post pix....IF it develops into that then THANK YOU if not NO WORRIES. I want EVERYONE to simply think about the fun this hobby has to offer at all levels of skill, financial stability, access to info, etc. and not be ashamed of their best efforts.

Eaglecash867

wpwar11

 Funny thing happened when I started construction.  I just couldn't bring myself to put in a less than 100% effort.  I think the fun part for me is trying new techniques and testing my skills.  There has been a handful of times I finish a build and been really proud of the result.  If I don't try my best I rob myself from that joy.

 

 

THIS!  

Had exactly the same thing happen on the Revell 1/72 Space Shuttle I bought.  Everything I looked at on it made me immediately start brainstorming "How can I make this better?"

Yes, I get stuck in this rut called Advanced Modeler's Syndrome or AMS. In 2001, when I moved from Fort Dix, New Jersey to Fort Devens, Massachusetts, a friend I had met bought me a parts kit of the old Renwal M50 Ontos kit.

That kit was one the most coveted kit of my childhood. My friend's big brother had one hanging from his ceiling in his bedroom in a parachute style airborne drop. It was the coolest thing, I imagined the crew could shoot six enemy tanks from the sky before it every landed! A child's imagination is a true wonder.

I built the Revell reissue in 1982-83 as a kid in college. The kit was fairly crude and clunky with lots of movable parts. It spent about 20 years on my old bedroom dresser getting vacuumed every so often by my mom. Many detail pieces had been vacuumed up or broken off in the years.

When my mom was getting ready to sell the house and downsize, I rescued the kit along with my built, partially built and unbuilt kits of my youth.

I went to a local swap meet with this fellow soldier/modeler in Runnemede, New Jersey, saw the kit and was going to buy it. He wanted to buy it for me as a farewell gift.

It contained all the necessary parts to restore my kit and then some. But I got stuck trying to make the kit better. Replace all the old recoilless gun tubes with more accurate metal tubing, etc.

I never got past trying to make this kit into something it was never going to be. And then, when I was at Fort Knox, the Armor museum had restored one to a running status. That made it even worse; having access to a life sized actual vehicle.

About the time I had a lot of information on the kit, Academy released a new tooled version. Today, that old dog sits in a small cardboard box awaiting the day I decide to finish it semi-out-of-box.

Maybe that kit will be my "turd"? It's been cooking for over 20 years and the base kit has been in my possession for around 40 years.

Tcoat

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OH COME ON

I enjoy building older kits, but I truly appreciate the elite modelers. It is their skills and dedication to the hobby that required the model making companies to "up their game" and stop giving us subpar kits to work with. Their scratchbuilding skills become masters for resin and photo etched upgrades as well as photographic aids to assist in detailing our own kits.

And every time a new and improved kit is released, the older, highly regarded kit, hits the secondary market at a discount. Everyone is selling off their great kit because another company is putting out an even better one!

Rob Gronovius

And every time a new and improved kit is released, the older, highly regarded kit, hits the secondary market at a discount. Everyone is selling off their great kit because another company is putting out an even better one! 

Yes indeed! That method has helped me fill a few gaps in the collection/stash...

Okay, I am compelled to show my support for Armornut.  I will build a model from my childhood.  Starting today.  No aftermarket.  No mods.  OOTB.  I'm a man of my wuuuuuurrrrrrrrd.

Pics to follow.

Real G

Okay, I am compelled to show my support for Armornut.  I will build a model from my childhood.  Starting today.  No aftermarket.  No mods.  OOTB.  I'm a man of my wuuuuuurrrrrrrrd.

Pics to follow.

 

Pulled from stash.

Ooh Ooh that smell!

I don't like clickbait or stringing people along.  I also took a peek into the box (why was it so heavy?), and found a set of Takom aftermarket tracks.

So the kit will be Tamiya's Chieftain Mk V with some AM tracks.  Well, they WERE in the box, and the tracks would go to waste since I have no other Chieftains.    At least there was no PE set.

  Awesome guys...thanks. If aftermarket was in the box now.......what say Uncle Bob didn't stick it in there when you were ten? 

    Joe that Tetsors is still good?? WOW that has some staying power LOL.

armornut

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    Joe that Tetsors is still good?? WOW that has some staying power LOL.

 

Ooohhhh yyyyeeeeaaa

This has been an interesting thread. I have tried this before without much success. It's hard to build like a 14 year old when you have the brain of a 50 year old. Imagination and ignorance of many things at that age filled lots of gaps back then that can no longe be filled so easily...

stikpusher

 

 

Rob Gronovius

And every time a new and improved kit is released, the older, highly regarded kit, hits the secondary market at a discount. Everyone is selling off their great kit because another company is putting out an even better one! 

 

 

 

Yes indeed! That method has helped me fill a few gaps in the collection/stash...

 

Roger that

cbaltrin

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It's hard to build like a 14 year old when you have the brain of a 50 year old. Imagination and ignorance of many things at that age filled lots of gaps back then that can no longe be filled so easily...

 

Another big change is I now read the instructions before I start! I also feel the need to paint a lot of stuff before assembly.

cbaltrin

This has been an interesting thread. I have tried this before without much success. It's hard to build like a 14 year old when you have the brain of a 50 year old. Imagination and ignorance of many things at that age filled lots of gaps back then that can no longe be filled so easily...

 

I do build a model now and again where I finish and paint the wings and fuselage separately, then glue them together, if the fit is good enough... makes for a much more relaxing build at times.  And then you have the Monogram B-17G I am working on the Git-R-Done GB... I painted and decaled the fuselage halves before stuffing in the interior and joining them--that's something I did as a kid... I think that is about it though. Somtimes I can leave the fuelage seams alone but those wing edges just have to be sanded...

When I was a kid, I would build strait from the box and forego any paint and sealer.  Times were so much simpler back then.  These days, these are called my shelf queens...

Glamdring

When I was a kid, I would build strait from the box and forego any paint and sealer.  Times were so much simpler back then.  These days, these are called my shelf queens...

 

When I was a kid, my hobby tools were 1 xacto knife, 1 tube of glue, some testors nylong paint brushes and maybe 20 bottles or spray cans of testors and model master paint... Oh and a Paasche VL airbrush which I ran off my Dad's aircompressor,which did not even have a regulator, in the unheated Garage (In the winter, you had to poor hot water over the piston housing to warm up the oil in order to get it to start). 

Now I have six different xacto handles with various blades, about 300 bottles of pain, 4 air brushes [insert about 100 other tools here] and the list goes on  , so yea, it's pretty hard to revert to childhood building techniques.....

cbaltrin

 

 

Glamdring

When I was a kid, I would build strait from the box and forego any paint and sealer.  Times were so much simpler back then.  These days, these are called my shelf queens...

 

 

 

 

When I was a kid, my hobby tools were 1 xacto knife, 1 tube of glue, some testors nylong paint brushes and maybe 20 bottles or spray cans of testors and model master paint... Oh and a Paasche VL airbrush which I ran off my Dad's aircompressor,which did not even have a regulator, in the unheated Garage (In the winter, you had to poor hot water over the piston housing to warm up the oil in order to get it to start). 

Now I have six different xacto handles with various blades, about 300 bottles of pain, 4 air brushes [insert about 100 other tools here] and the list goes on  , so yea, it's pretty hard to revert to childhood building techniques.....

 

Ain't that the truth!   

Only at the halfway point

Having all the issues i had as a kid on this, My sand paint was 95% dry - so just like in the day I'm adding thinner and getting the micro lumps... Oh well she'll be a fine looking turd at arms length! 

cbaltrin

When I was a kid, my hobby tools were 1 xacto knife, 1 tube of glue, some testors nylong paint brushes and maybe 20 bottles or spray cans of testors and model master paint... Oh and a Paasche VL airbrush which I ran off my Dad's aircompressor,which did not even have a regulator, in the unheated Garage (In the winter, you had to poor hot water over the piston housing to warm up the oil in order to get it to start). 

Now I have six different xacto handles with various blades, about 300 bottles of pain, 4 air brushes [insert about 100 other tools here] and the list goes on  , so yea, it's pretty hard to revert to childhood building techniques.....

 

I had an off brand X-acto knife with one blade in it that was dull as heck when I got it with a broken tip. Then I found a set that included a little plastic case with a handful of odd blades, probably around 1980. I still have that set with the original blades. Some of the blade types were never used.

About 90% done - less the figures.

Almost done in a weekend, just like high school - remember working all weekend on one and tearing myself away Monday morning to go to school...

 Now off to work! :)

Here is my kit, Tamiya's venerable Chieftain Mk V.

I'm not 100% sure I'll use the aftermarket tracks, as I am still mentally recovering from assembling the M3 Stuart's indi-link.

    All righty then RealG, I'll be watching. Since you very easily could have hadd access to indy links, it will be left to your choice on your " turd". Sanity is overrated anyway LOL.

Here's one I built to these standards recently, only what was in the box, though I did fill seams and painted the whole thing.  I built many of these as a flea, and have more Monogram T-28's in the stash.  And a Monogram P-38 which is from the old days, built in 65 or so when the kit was new.  Still on the shelf today.  I have no shame!

JoeSMG

As someone who has been building Turds all their life, I find this thread highly offensive!

That a group of elite modelers would find it fun or enjoyable to slum it for a bit as defacto "turd builders" boarders on cultural appropriation and should not be tolerated!

Of course I'm kidding - although my fist sentence is more accurate than I'd like. If this becomes a group build effort I'll gladly join it as my first gateway GB.

 

   Nice " turds" jeaton01 thanks for sharing.

   Tcoat...'bout time I'm good for something LOL.

Good to know you are OK Armornut, and that your DNA remains non-bovine!  We can all steer away from cow jokes now and stop milking the subject.  

I started on the Chieftain this past weekend, and wow, there are lots of what I call "part pucker", where the mold parting lines are heavy and have an annoying radius on the parts that need to be laboriously scraped away and filled.  It would seem that low injection pressure or insufficient cooling time while in the mold is the culprit.  Or maybe just old, worn molds.  It is a big step down from Tamiya's new-ish Hetzer, where everything lines up nicely and mold lines are fine and easily scraped off.

Ooh, motorization holes!  Gonna leave those.  

And the kit "rubber band" tracks are actually OK.  The only concern I have is painting the track pads and then having them flake afterwards.  The Takom track links are already loose in the bag, so only the pads need to be clipped off their runners.  Still on the fence about which way to go.

Real G

Good to know you are OK Armornut, and that your DNA remains non-bovine!  We can all steer away from cow jokes now and stop milking the subject.  

I started on the Chieftain this past weekend, and wow, there are lots of what I call "part pucker", where the mold parting lines are heavy and have an annoying radius on the parts that need to be laboriously scraped away and filled.  It would seem that low injection pressure or insufficient cooling time while in the mold is the culprit.  Or maybe just old, worn molds.  It is a big step down from Tamiya's new-ish Hetzer, where everything lines up nicely and mold lines are fine and easily scraped off.

Ooh, motorization holes!  Gonna leave those.  

And the kit "rubber band" tracks are actually OK.  The only concern I have is painting the track pads and then having them flake afterwards.  The Takom track links are already loose in the bag, so only the pads need to be clipped off their runners.  Still on the fence about which way to go.

 

LOL Maybe I am not as forgiving as Nut but with the spirit of the "turd" build then the rubber band tracks are the thing. If the paint craks off them then so be it. The seams could be scraped but not filled and ejector pin marks get this one change to live. Nice call on the motor holes. 

My guess would be the seams are more due to worn out molds than anything. They have probably made a bazillion of these kits over the decades and the molds are just very tired.