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Posted by GreySnake on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 2:48 PM
I’ll build a kit from my childhood this Tamiya Gaz67B Field Car. I built this kit when I was ten years old.
  
 
I probably had access to more tools then others as my father also built models. I didn’t worry about seam lines at the time I just clipped parts of the sprue and sanded down the nubs with metal files. I do plan to airbrush the model as my father would airbrush my kits for me.  
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Posted by armornut on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 2:57 PM

 Welcome to the challenge Greysnake, I guess it is officially an unofficial GB now. Mmmm how can I move entire thread to proper topic page??

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Posted by JoeSMG on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:20 PM

 

Love this thread - finally a topic I excel at!

Thanks for the smack down TCOAT, need to keep the overachievers in line! Felt good to not feel guilty about not using filler. Looking forward to following the new arrivals.

This was a fun quick build - though quick is relative, the Mrs wasn't crazy about my three day cram session.

On a serious note, I’m sorry to read of your health troubles Armornut, I wish you the best possible fortune in this struggle and am happy to see you in good spirits. Thank you for lighting the fire!

Ok - without further adieu: My Turd complete, presented for group inspection.

 

- Joe the SMG

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Posted by armornut on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:28 PM

   Yessir, that be a mightyfine " turd"..well done Joe.

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Posted by Tcoat on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 6:36 PM

GreySnake
I’ll build a kit from my childhood this Tamiya Gaz67B Field Car. I built this kit when I was ten years old.
  
 
I probably had access to more tools then others as my father also built models. I didn’t worry about seam lines at the time I just clipped parts of the sprue and sanded down the nubs with metal files. I do plan to airbrush the model as my father would airbrush my kits for me.  
 

Someplace in a box of assorted pieces of models from my childhood I have some random parts from that kit. It would have been one of the very last models I built in 72 or 73 as my interests turned more to real vehicles and girls. 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 21, 2023 8:40 PM

Those are cool guys! The 251 came out great Joe! I built the same kit back when I had a full head of hair, or at least tried. I remember my sister's stupid braindead cat ate half of one of the sets of 'rubber band' tracks so I had to finish the thing the best I could. 

Greysnake and Real G, those are cool too, never built them though. 

I'm not sure if they would qualify as a 'turd' but I build almost everything straight from the box these days. I just want to get the darn thing built and really don't feel like adding a pile of PE or modifying the kit. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Tcoat on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 6:03 AM

JoeSMG

 

Love this thread - finally a topic I excel at!

Thanks for the smack down TCOAT, need to keep the overachievers in line! Felt good to not feel guilty about not using filler. Looking forward to following the new arrivals.

 

 
Well I do hope that G realized I was only ribbing. It is his Turd and he can do as he wants. There were no rules.
 
That said:
 
TURD BUILDERS UNITE!!!!
 
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Posted by JoeSMG on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 6:54 AM

Tcoat
Well I do hope that G realized I was only ribbing. It is his Turd and he can do as he wants. There were no rules.

Indeed - I often forget nobody can see the smile on my face as I post. My wife is fond of saying: He has a wicked sense of humor that unfortunately only he gets."

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Posted by JoeSMG on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 7:04 AM

Thank you Armornut and Gamera, I do like it, Of course at some point I'm definitely going to fill the cracks and add some swag! :) Knowing me though, it'll be 5yrs ta never before I get to it and then after I'll do the figures!

I did like the time limit aspect - otherwise i tend to keep putsing with things and they either take forever or i lose interest.

Edit: Forgot to mention - My rush to the finish did result in a near catastrophe! I initially attached the rear door hinges on backwards! (this after triple checking the instructions for just this issue…) Fortunately my impulsive nature didn't allow them to fully set before trying to attach them.

 

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Posted by Tcoat on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 7:14 AM

JoeSMG

Thank you Armornut and Gamera, I do like it, Of course at some point I'm definitely going to fill the cracks and add some swag! :) Knowing me though, it'll be 5yrs ta never before I get to it and then after I'll do the figures!

I did like the time limit aspect - otherwise i tend to keep putsing with things and they either take forever or i lose interest.

 

After this thread dies down a bit I may start an official "Build it like you are 8 years old" one. There would be very restrictive conditions and a time limit would be one of them. People may lose interest after this thread though. 

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Posted by JoeSMG on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 7:19 AM

I'll be the first to sign up - My stash will outlive me by many, many years otherwise.

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 7:56 AM

Tcoat

 

 
JoeSMG

Thank you Armornut and Gamera, I do like it, Of course at some point I'm definitely going to fill the cracks and add some swag! :) Knowing me though, it'll be 5yrs ta never before I get to it and then after I'll do the figures!

I did like the time limit aspect - otherwise i tend to keep putsing with things and they either take forever or i lose interest.

 

 

 

After this thread dies down a bit I may start an official "Build it like you are 8 years old" one. There would be very restrictive conditions and a time limit would be one of them. People may lose interest after this thread though. 

 

In that case I'll join up to. I have a Tamiya SAS Jeep that I'm not going to build otherwise.

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 9:23 AM

   Welcome aboard Greysnake, thanks for taking up the challenge. Keep it simple, use what you had access to as a young modeler, which leaves your options open....we have no idea how many lawns you mowed..... just remember to think like you did, and just have fun. Looking forward to your awesome " turd".

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 9:53 AM
Thanks for the welcome armornut! I wish I was allowed to mow lawns! Where I lived at the time everyone in my neighborhood took immense pride in lawn care and wouldn’t allow a silly nine year old mow. My father wouldn’t even let me mow our own lawn. I did many household chores and got fifteen dollars every two weeks for it I believe.
 
Here are the tools I’ll be using for the build. As I said previously my father also built models and had a fair number of tools and was given my own set of tools as we built models together on the weekend.
  
 Tamiya glue didn’t exist at the time and I used Testors glue that came in a black squeeze bottle that had a fine needle. I don’t have anything like that so I will have to stick with the Tamiya glue.
 
 
I had access to the entire range of Tamiya acrylic paints at the time and will be using these. Not mixing Russian 4BO Green the instructions say dark green I will use Tamiya Xf-61 Dark Green. I will be using standard paint brushes for the detail painting I was given my own set of paint brushes that were a little worn out by my father.
  
 
Here is what comes in the box.
  
 
I used to enjoy these little Tamiya catalogs that were included with kits.
  
 
After twenty minutes of work yesterday evening the chassis was finished. The kit is very rough and even when I built it as a child I remember not enjoying it. I am happy that all four tires do set level at least.
 

  

  

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 10:29 AM

  I remember those catalogs too, man I drooled over many kits pictured in them. Oddly enough I have most of them in my stash. Forge ahead good sir.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 12:14 PM

We coveted those MRC gatefold catalogs like gold back in the day!  They changed from time to time, so we traded them to be sure we had them all.  Lying in the grass during recess, we would dream of our next kit.

I think my dad let me use the gas mower when I turned 13 or so.  $3.50 per week to help dad in the yard on the weekends, collect the trash and wash the dishes throughout the week. It made every penny count, and took me at least 3 weeks or more to save up for a Tamiya kit.  But it made the getting sooooo much more satisfying, even though the kits I built turned into mostly turds.  Stick out tongue

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Posted by Tcoat on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 12:17 PM

Real G

We coveted those MRC gatefold catalogs like gold back in the day!  They changed from time to time, so we traded them to be sure we had them all.  Lying in the grass during recess, we would dream of our next kit.

I think my dad let me use the gas mower when I turned 13 or so.  $3.50 per week to help dad in the yard on the weekends, collect the trash and wash the dishes throughout the week. It made every penny count, and took me at least 3 weeks or more to save up for a Tamiya kit.  But it made the getting sooooo much more satisfying, even though the kits I built turned into mostly turds.  Stick out tongue

 

Not long ago I paid a pile of money on Ebay for some indiviudal pages from some of those old cataloges to frame as wall hangers!

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 1:03 PM

Tcoat

 

 
Real G

We coveted those MRC gatefold catalogs like gold back in the day!  They changed from time to time, so we traded them to be sure we had them all.  Lying in the grass during recess, we would dream of our next kit.

I think my dad let me use the gas mower when I turned 13 or so.  $3.50 per week to help dad in the yard on the weekends, collect the trash and wash the dishes throughout the week. It made every penny count, and took me at least 3 weeks or more to save up for a Tamiya kit.  But it made the getting sooooo much more satisfying, even though the kits I built turned into mostly turds.  Stick out tongue

 

 

 

Not long ago I paid a pile of money on Ebay for some indiviudal pages from some of those old cataloges to frame as wall hangers!

 

Oh geez Tcoat, why didn't you just ask here on the forum?  Any spares I have would have been yours for free!

...um, yeah, I still have them.  Embarrassed  But who throws anything away these days?  Right guys?  Guys?

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 1:18 PM

 Right G ...right....Geeked

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Posted by Tcoat on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 1:24 PM

Real G

 

 
Tcoat

 

 
Real G

We coveted those MRC gatefold catalogs like gold back in the day!  They changed from time to time, so we traded them to be sure we had them all.  Lying in the grass during recess, we would dream of our next kit.

I think my dad let me use the gas mower when I turned 13 or so.  $3.50 per week to help dad in the yard on the weekends, collect the trash and wash the dishes throughout the week. It made every penny count, and took me at least 3 weeks or more to save up for a Tamiya kit.  But it made the getting sooooo much more satisfying, even though the kits I built turned into mostly turds.  Stick out tongue

 

 

 

Not long ago I paid a pile of money on Ebay for some indiviudal pages from some of those old cataloges to frame as wall hangers!

 

 

 

Oh geez Tcoat, why didn't you just ask here on the forum?  Any spares I have would have been yours for free!

...um, yeah, I still have them.  Embarrassed  But who throws anything away these days?  Right guys?  Guys?

 

LOL I wasn't here yet. And by "not long ago" I mean approx 5 years. That is no longer "long ago" I guess!

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 2:38 PM
The catalogs I used to really enjoy were the yearly Tamiya catalogs that had photos of everything then in production by them. I could spend hours and hours looking at them. In hindsight that is one of the things that taught me to read as I was very behind my reading level till ten.
 
Feeling nostalgic I took a glance at eBay to see the price range of the old Tamiya catalogs. More money than I am willing to pay.
 
Squadron catalogs and the monthly flyers were also fun to look through although my father never ordered from Squadron expect on certain occasions. Squadron was higher priced then another mail order hobby shop my father ordered from called Select Hobby. The catalog they had was less interesting that just had lists of products with prices and no pictures.
 
I always saved up my allowance for the month or two months and made an order to Select Hobby along with my father. I always looked forward to UPS arriving in a week or two with a box full of Tamiya models.
 
A little more progress on my “turd” Not going to fill in these pin marks!
  
 
I somehow got the body somewhat together I did use rubber bands to hold everything together while it is drying. I did use rubber bands on occasion during the time frame that I originally built this kit.
 
I will say this is the worst fitting 1/35 Tamiya kit I’ve built and will never build another one of these again.  I was very dissatisfied with the Gaz when I built it as an eleven year old. I can recall almost throwing it across the kitchen floor due to the body not lining up.
 
 
The Gaz and I think the M3 Lee by Tamiya were my two least favorite kits I had built up until then. Around the same time frame that I built those two kits I saved up money to buy the relativity new 1/35 Tamiya Panzer IV. Ausf H.  Costing $40USD it was the most expensive model I had bought at the time and took almost two months to save up for.  That was the first model I didn’t play with after finishing and after my father had airbrushed it and I did the detail painting it sat on the shelf.
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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 3:21 PM

While I've truged through some pretty awful kits, I haven't really done a 'turd', but have built a couple of kits to just 'put something together', and not worry about details, paint, smooth seams, etc.  Getting tired of how many projects I had on the bench, only having time to put a dab of paint here, or sand this joint there, but getting nothing done, I thought it would be a good idea to actually finish something.  Don't worry about the extra details, paint, etc., just assemble a kit, like in the 'old days' but trying to make it the best OOB build I could.  I grabbed an old AMT 57 T-bird kit for that.  I had a couple in the stash I got from a dollar store, so figured I could 'sacrifice' one for the cause.

It was actually a pretty nice kit.  Considering it's age, it had a nice amount of detail and went together pretty well.  It sits proudly on my display shelf in it's own display box.  I look at that plain, unpainted kit and just smile from time-to-time.

It really was a joy to do.  

G. Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 3:42 PM

As it should CTD, as it shouldBig Smile

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 6:42 PM

That looks good Greysnake- kudos sir! 

Armournut: What would you define as a 'turd build' here? Seems like some of them are decent kits, just older with less detail and poorer fit. 

I don't want to join anymore GBs right now but I'm working on this Tamiya 1/35th IS-3. Pretty good kit but Tamiya was still leaving the sponsons open, you could look right though the kit. I blanked them off with sheet plastic. And I'm going to replace the tracks with white metal ones. Again, I don't want to enter but would this qualify as a 'turd'? 

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 7:13 PM

    Great question Gamera, my intent was for us modelers stricken with numerous forms of AMS, OCD, or any other mania that has afflicted us as we aged. The goal was to convey the fun we had when we had limited access to special tools, paint, or reference materials. This does not exclude anybody as some had fathers, mothers, uncles, etc that helped. This exercise is also NOT MEANT TO CRITISIZE exceptional modelers.

    No one is obligated to join, heck I never thought it would morph into this...glad it did, and I understand that you have other obligations.

    I think to answer your question about your " turd".....is it your very best work? Does it bring you joy working on it? I enjoyed seeing what you put out. If you answer yes to these questions then YOU are the only one who can claim it as a " turd".

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 9:48 PM

Thanks! Guess I was a little confused, I assumed 'turd' meant a really poor quality kit. Greysnake said his staff car was really bad but I've built the 251 halftrack Joe did and found it though old still a pretty good kit. 

The IS-3 is a decent kit, not great nor terrible. So far what I've done with it I think is about average, not my best but not my worst. I wouldn't put her in this build in any case since I'm about 75% done. 

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Posted by GreySnake on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 10:13 PM

I'd consider the Tamiya JS-3 a turd from an accuracy standpoint as there is a lot wrong with it. But from a building standpoint it's a typical excellent late 1990's Tamiya kit that will go together with little to no problems.

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, March 22, 2023 11:27 PM

Gamera

Thanks! Guess I was a little confused, I assumed 'turd' meant a really poor quality kit. Greysnake said his staff car was really bad but I've built the 251 halftrack Joe did and found it though old still a pretty good kit.  

I think the definition is really quite wide and often depends on your point of view. Many older kits are turds because they were rough and crude, lacking any real details, just indescernable lumps here and there. Model kits were toys built by boys and played with in the sandbox.

Some kits are turds because they barely resemble the actual prototype. Something like Lindberg's T-80 Soviet tank is a very poor kit that is almost a cartoon of a Cold War modern Soviet MBT. It fails on multiple levels.

Tamiya makes some very well engineered kits, they are "box shakers" that go together easily. But as noted, they take some detail shortcuts and many have been bypassed by the more accurate Uber-kits by Meng, Takom, AFV Club, etc. Their M2/3 Bradley series is an easy build, but they glossed over so many details that the kit is very incomplete.

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, March 23, 2023 12:13 AM

I thought armornuts original intent that it would be a turd by your standards today if you built it as your 10 year old self.  Not necessarily the kit itself - just the fingerprint, nylon brush painted gluebomb you had so much slapping together while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich and watching gilligans island or better yet, the 3 stooges.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Tcoat on Thursday, March 23, 2023 8:06 AM

keavdog

I thought armornuts original intent that it would be a turd by your standards today if you built it as your 10 year old self.  Not necessarily the kit itself - just the fingerprint, nylon brush painted gluebomb you had so much slapping together while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich and watching gilligans island or better yet, the 3 stooges.

 

That was my interpretation. Not the quality of the kit itself nor even that it is badly built. Just simply that the finished product would not be up to the builder's "normal" modern standards. The worst kit ever made can be built to look good and the best can look like trash if not done well so kit quality is not the Turd factor.
It get more complicated if you consider that many have radically different standards as to what is "good".
I am happy to build out of the box and give a nice paint job but some need to ensure that each bolt, rivet, wire is represented in exactly the right place for the particular vehicle they are doing then throw a horrid paint job at it. Neither method is right or wrong but one group may well think the others is a turd. 
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