Aircraft Trivia Quiz

The Jumo-004 and the BMW-003  were indeed axial flow but each had 1,800 lbs thrust, while the Avon had 12,000 lbs thrust so that can't compare. Plywood fighter vs. middle range bomber, which a Russian Comet would have been and I suppose there's an Illyusin version out there somewhere but it's not important.

The centrifugal compressor jet engine was put to rest, in world wars, in Korea by the J-47.

Certainly third world wars were fought with Nenes, Goblins and J-33's, et al, but that was already old technology when the British Government was selling it.

As our Secretary of State (whom I respect mightily) answered when asked why we were selling (lifting the embargo) on F-16's to Pakistan, which by the way we attacked the other day: "We are selling F-18's to India".

That's how it goes.

Sorry about mot being able to get back sooner, but Osher you got 3 of the 4 aircraft. The Barracuda was replaced by a different aircraft and one that more follows the attributes of the line of aircraft. All four of these aircraft could carry a torpedo.

Mike T.

Brews has the final piece. It was the Avenger or Tarpon to the Brits. The ASW function taking over for the torpedo. The Corsair didn't have an ASW function.

Mike T.

I'm sorry, I thought that Osher had answered correctly. A nice easy one, then.

A US manufacturer produced two British axial-flow turbojets under licence. One of these had been in development since 1940.

Who was the US manufacturer;

Which British companies designed the engines; 

What were the US and British names, respectively, for the engines; and

Which US aircraft were powered by them? 

P-80, powered by Allison built J33, developed by GE, from British DH Goblin

P-59 powered by GE J31, from British Power Jets engine

I would like to apologize for my inattention of late, several things have been going on at the same time. For one, I have been ill with both a summer cold and allergies, we have an emergency program started up at work and my oldest son is coming home after his advance training with the Army.

Mike T.

osher wrote:

P-80, powered by Allison built J33, developed by GE, from British DH Goblin P-59 powered by GE J31, from British Power Jets engine

The key point here, and it's not a mistake, by the way, is "axial flow". Germany wasn't the only country working on axial flow engines in 1940.  The Goblin was of the centrifugal flow type, the technology of which may be thought of as a supercharger on steroids. 

Curtiss Wright developed the J65, licensed from the Armstrong Siddeley (originally Metropolitan Vickers) Sapphire. The Sapphire was in Hunters, Victors among others. The J65 was in the B-57 among others.

The Curtiss Wright J67 was licensed from the Bristol Siddeley (originally Bristol Aero Engines) Olympus. The Olympus was in Vulcans, among others. The J67 was in (would have been) the F-102 prototype, the XF-103 and the (Canadian) Avro Arrow second prototype.

telsono wrote:

I would like to apologize for my inattention of late

No problemas far as I'm concerned

Bondoman,

You got so much right, but I'm looking for a comprehensive list of US Aircraft that used those engines. There aren't that many, after all.

Brews wrote:

telsono wrote: I would like to apologize for my inattention of late No problemas far as I'm concerned

No worries, Mike!  Just take care of your troubles, then come on back for more fun!

Cheers,
Alex

Telsono, no worries! Sounds like a lot is going on and tell the kid we're proud of him and his parents!

Now the J65 was used in some versions of the B-57, F-84F, A-4 (built by Pratt) and XF-104. beyond that I give up.

The J67 was to be used in the prototype F-102 and XF-103 but I have no reference one ever flew and beyond that I also throw in the towel.

Great question by the way and hard for me at least. Led to a lot of research and at this point I'll admit I'm pulling stuff off the net.

Brews wrote:

I'm sorry, I thought that Osher had answered correctly. A nice easy one, then. A US manufacturer produced two British axial-flow turbojets under licence. One of these had been in development since 1940. Who was the US manufacturer; Which British companies designed the engines;  What were the US and British names, respectively, for the engines; and Which US aircraft were powered by them?

bondoman wrote:

Brews wrote: I'm sorry, I thought that Osher had answered correctly. A nice easy one, then. A US manufacturer produced two British axial-flow turbojets under licence. One of these had been in development since 1940. Who was the US manufacturer; Which British companies designed the engines;  What were the US and British names, respectively, for the engines; and Which US aircraft were powered by them?  See above, trexx. i've run out of brains.

 A:

Who was the US manufacturer_____________Curtiss Wright

Which British companies designed the engines____Armstrong Siddeley & Bristol

What were the US names for the engines___Wright J65 & J67

and British names for the engines___Olympus & Sapphire

and which US aircraft were powered by them? ___F-84F, B-57, XF-104, FJ-3 & A-4D1

bondoman wrote:

Trexx- its a team effort at this point. PM me and we'll compare notes.

...I think I've got it!

A:

Additional United States jet fighter that used the J65----------> F11F Tiger, (or F-11 Tiger)

bondoman wrote:

Trexx- its a team effort at this point. PM me and we'll compare notes.

...I think I've got it!

A:

Additional United States jet fighter that used the J65----------> F11F Tiger, (or F-11 Tiger)

FJ-3 Fury?

Milairjunkie wrote:

FJ-3 Fury?

Uhh... FYI, from yesterday:

A:

Who was the US manufacturer_____________Curtiss Wright

Which British companies designed the engines____Armstrong Siddeley & Bristol

What were the US names for the engines___Wright J65 & J67

and British names for the engines___Olympus & Sapphire

and which US aircraft were powered by them? ___F-84F, B-57, XF-104, FJ-3 & A-4D1

All yours, Trexx.

The F-11 was the missing plane. Maybe it shot itself down ...

The J67 didn't ever power a US plane. Curtiss-Wright tried to do with the jet engine what they did with radial piston engines - buy one off-the-shelf and develop it. The 'Americanization' of the Sapphire was quite melancholy. The J62 was quickly overtaken in terms of power and development potential by the J57 and J79. How good would a B-57 have been with J79s? However, it's worthwhile noting that when the F-84F arrived with a J62, it was faster than an F-86H.

The J67, however, could have been a good engine for Curtiss-Wright. I suspect that they just lacked the commitment to make it work. They still exist as a company, by the way.

Brews wrote:

All yours, Trexx. The F-11 was the missing plane. Maybe it shot itself down ... The J67 didn't ever power a US plane. Curtiss-Wright tried to do with the jet engine what they did with radial piston engines - buy one off-the-shelf and develop it. The 'Americanization' of the Sapphire was quite melancholy. The J62 was quickly overtaken in terms of power and development potential by the J57 and J79. How good would a B-57 have been with J79s? However, it's worthwhile noting that when the F-84F arrived with a J62, it was faster than an F-86H. The J67, however, could have been a good engine for Curtiss-Wright. I suspect that they just lacked the commitment to make it work. They still exist as a company, by the way.

Thanks for the challenge with your multi-part question. I think it's harder to come up with a question here than it is the answers! (Dang, all you smart-airplane-nuts!)

You really made me learn quite a lot in a very short time.

Whilst I prance around doing my victory jig I'll be thinking of a question...

"Stand-by"

Old term for a large (20+?) formation of aircraft, as you might see with warbirds at the occasional airshow. Originated by some Italian guy who  used to organise such things?

Milairjunkie wrote:

Old term for a large (20+?) formation of aircraft, as you might see with warbirds at the occasional airshow. Originated by some Italian guy who  used to organise such things?

You're really, really hot, but I'm looking for more specifics.