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Posted by F-8fanatic on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:02 PM
 T-rex wrote:

Correct, the museum has two of the 3 remaining.

Sorry about stealing your turn, go ahead, ask the next question.

 

Sorry, I have to step in and ask, why did you tell us under the pics that "only 11 were made" if this is a Beech 18?  The 18 went into production in the late 30s and the last one came off the assembly line in 1970, with over 8,000 produced....Not to mention, there are a lot more than 3 Model 18's remaining today....

 you had us looking to see if it was a specific version of the -18, turns out it looks to be a standard D-18S model.  I dont see the point of saying that only 11 were built like that.

 

 

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Posted by T-rex on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:05 PM

Correct, the museum has two of the 3 remaining.

Sorry about stealing your turn, go ahead, ask the next question.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:57 PM
Beechcraft model 18! Military was the C-45 Expediter.
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Posted by WarHammer25 on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:37 PM

Ok then. This is the current question then:

 T-rex wrote:

let me have a turn.

What is this aircraft?

Only 11 were made, 3 remain today

 

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Posted by wdolson2 on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:04 PM

I've been trying to come up with a question and I'm drawing a blank.  Sorry.

 Let someone else have a turn.

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:23 AM

 bondoman wrote:
seems to me it's Bill Dolson's turn.

That would be correct.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:35 AM
seems to me it's Bill Dolson's turn.
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Posted by T-rex on Monday, January 12, 2009 9:47 PM

let me have a turn.

What is this aircraft?

Only 11 were made, 3 remain today

 

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Monday, January 12, 2009 3:38 PM

You do make a good argument and add some more insite on the subject, but I am still sticking with my decision. Any enemy with any sense would not knowingly let someone get so close to him that the other person could not miss. Yes, Hartmann was very picky about his targets, and therefore most of them never knew he was there and he was within a very short distance of his target(hence the enemy in you windscreen). The Blonde Knight gives very good accounts of this. He was an expert Sturmovik killer as well because he would shoot the oil cooler out under the engine.

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Posted by F-8fanatic on Monday, January 12, 2009 1:44 PM

I see what youre saying, but you cannot get your enemy to fill your windscreen without the surprise attack doctrine that he was taught and that he used without exception.  it isnt because he waited to fire until he was right on top of the enemy--its the fact that his doctrine was what got him into that firing position to begin with.  Anyone can hit their opponent if the enemy was danger close and dead in front of them--its getting there that makes the difference, is it not?  The entire concept of dogfighting back then was "get behind your enemy".  Hartmann used discipline that is very rarely found in WWII fighter stories, as well as the same doctrine and teamwork without exception.

As opposed to Marseille's tactics of rushing in, usually outnumbered and never permitting himself more than a quick slash attack each time, Hartmann's tactics allowed him to get right up close to each victim. And Hartmann didnt "wait" til the enemy filled the windscreen--his cool head and disciplined approach is what caused that enemy to fill the windscreen.  the most important part of his doctrine was the "decide" phase-he was selective in choosing his encounters so that he was in proper position to get the job done.  Thats a lot more than just 'get up close, then shoot'.

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Monday, January 12, 2009 12:17 PM
I am going to have to give it to  wdolson2. The "wait til the enemy fills the windscreen" does infer the ambush tactics that Hartmann was famous for. And Marseille was indeed an expert on high-deflection shots. Good info there though F-8fanatic.
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Posted by F-8fanatic on Monday, January 12, 2009 10:32 AM

Hartmann was trained under German ace Walter Krupinski--in the tactic of the surprise attack.  The strategy was "See, Decide, Attack, Break".  The notion that he waited until the target filled his windscreen was only part of the equation, especially at first.  Krupinski was known to constantly tell him to move in closer before firing.  The combat doctrine I mentioned above was never to be broken--it was the standard rule that he used throughout his whole time in the cockpit.  Of the two pilots, one would attack while the other stayed "on the perch", watching his back.  Of Hartmann's 352 confirmed kills, 345 were against soviet opponents.

Marseille, on the other hand, flew exclusively against western opponents.  He also had a reputation for being practically reckless, with his tendency to dive headlong into enemy groups and disregarding orders to keep formation.  Early on, he was reprimanded and punished more than once for his failure to work as a team.  He did perfect high-deflection shots, but at the same time this is again only part of the equation, as he always ordered his wingman to stay far off.  He would then attack enemy groups alone, and since his wingman was far off, there was not much risk of the two of them colliding into each other.  All but 7 of his 158 confirmed victories were British Desert Air force pilots.

 

The marksmanship was only half the story--Hartmann was very disciplined in his tactics as an unbreakable rule and relied heavily on his wingman.  Marseille was a loner in the air and would charge in undaunted even when it was unwise to do so.  

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Posted by wdolson2 on Monday, January 12, 2009 7:09 AM

Hartmann held off firing until the enemy filled his windscreen and Marceille favored high deflection shots.

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Monday, January 12, 2009 6:48 AM

Yes. Rudel was a very good pilot. He even flew after his right leg was amputated which makes it even more amazing.

New question:
Sticking with the subject of great WWII German pilots, arguably the best two Experten (at least Bf-109 Experte) of the Luftwaffe was Erich Hartmann and Hans-Joachim Marseille. Both great pilots, they used different tactics to get most of their kills. What tactic did Hartmann use with great success and what tactic did Marseille use with great success?

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Posted by wdolson2 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:54 PM

Of the aircraft destroyed, one was one of Russia's top aces who he managed to get to fly into the ground by manuvering violently at low altitude while being chased.

Rudel was an exceptional pilot.  Ironic that he was sent back for more training after his debut in the Battle of Britain. 

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Posted by swingr1121 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:24 PM

 bondoman wrote:
 swingr1121 wrote:
* Sorry, over 2000 targets destroyed.  800+ vehicles, 500+ tanks, 150 pieces of arty, 2 destroyers, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, and 9 aircraft...
Missions, not kills.

 

Yes Bondoman, over 2000 missions, but also over 2000 targets destroyed...

Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions and successfully attacked many tanks, trains, ships, and other ground targets, claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed - including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery guns, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship and nine aircraft which he shot down
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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:09 PM
 swingr1121 wrote:
* Sorry, over 2000 targets destroyed.  800+ vehicles, 500+ tanks, 150 pieces of arty, 2 destroyers, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, and 9 aircraft...
Missions, not kills.
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Posted by swingr1121 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:13 PM
* Sorry, over 2000 targets destroyed.  800+ vehicles, 500+ tanks, 150 pieces of arty, 2 destroyers, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship, and 9 aircraft...

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Posted by Brews on Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:04 PM
He also flew a Fw 190 D-9. I didn't know he claimed 2000 kills. Maybe if you add up all the dead people from 5 or 600 tanks, a battleship etc. ...
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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:29 PM
CRACK!!!!!!!! IT'S OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE WarHammer! The Academy 1/72 Stuka tank buster kit has decals for his plane! Also a good read is STUKA PILOT by the man himself! Floor is yours Hammer
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Posted by swingr1121 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:01 AM
I believe that warhammer is correct.  I've been mulling over the opportunity to post, but haven't been able to come up with a question so I've been quiet.  Rudel flew a Stuka and claimed over 2000 kills.  Also was the only person to recieve the Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds. 

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:57 AM
Hans Ulrich Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions. Is that it?
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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:28 AM

Still about 2 balls from the walk Alex! Come on someone knock it out of the park! Right Air Force though!

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:04 AM
Erich Hartmann flew 1,404 combat missions...Is that in the ball park?

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:47 AM
No, sorry bondo. Not even close. Keep trying!
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:43 PM

 simpilot34 wrote:
Bondo, do you have a number of missions flown?  She isn't the answer I was looking for but if the number surpasses the one I have I'll give it to you. 

Somewhere between 300-400. She commanded a PE-2 Regiment from 1941 until she was killed in 1943. I'm still looking- am I in the ballpark?

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, January 9, 2009 5:02 AM
Bondo, do you have a number of missions flown?  She isn't the answer I was looking for but if the number surpasses the one I have I'll give it to you. 
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Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 9, 2009 1:22 AM
A Russian named Marina Roskova or some such.
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Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 9, 2009 1:19 AM
Which one? The war, not the pilot. LOL
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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, January 9, 2009 1:18 AM

First time back after my move, didn't expect to get one straight away! lol

Ok here goes: Identify the pilot who flew more combat missions than anyone else in the war(WWII).

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