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Posted by Brews on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 12:32 PM
It's not an Albatros. Not the Albatros DIII, DV, DVa, or triplane Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by Brews on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 12:36 PM
Incidentally, while reading about MVR, I learned that he yearned for the Blue Max, and was very disappointed when he didn't get it after his 15th Victory. Very much like the movie in that respect ("The Blue Max", that is) except that the pilot was a pleb, not a Baron.
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Posted by navypitsnipe on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 4:15 PM
  dare i say the Fokker DR. 1?
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Posted by Brews on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 4:19 PM

It's a little Fokker, but not that one.

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 4:33 PM
Then its probably the Eindecker, though the records I've seen support the Halberstadt...Confused [%-)]
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Posted by telsono on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:18 PM

How about the Fokker F.1?

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Posted by Brews on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:45 PM
Not the Eindekker, and not the F.1, and definitely not the Halberstadt, which is not a Fokker (at least, not in polite company).
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Posted by telsono on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:15 PM

I'm confused. The only aircraft that he flew that wasn't mentioned was the Albatross D.II

Here are the aircraft he flew in combat

Eindecker - no Victories

Albatross D. II, D. III and D.V (one unconfirmed victory with Albatross B.II)

Halberstadt D. II (he did gain 6 victories with this type)

Fokker F.1, DR1

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/richthofen2.php

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Posted by dcaponeII on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:42 PM
Hold on now.  I'm pretty sure I read that he flew in a two seater for a while.  I'm going to go check on something.
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Posted by dcaponeII on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:50 PM
Before Bockle(sp?) was killed and after Richtofen had joined the group they we given several Fokker D-III's to fly.  It could be this aircraft that Richtofen got his 6 victories.  Bockle definitely scored some kills in it.
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Posted by Brews on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 11:24 PM

Oooh, I'm highly embarrassed! Blush [:I]

The aircraft I was thinking of was, in fact, the Fokker DIII, so dcaponell has the "correct" answer.

MVR flew it while with Jasta 2, awaiting delivery of an Albatros D.I And it was Oswald Boelcke that scored the six victories with it at that time, not MVR (I misinterpreted a paragraph that was only slightly ambiguous!). 

Smack my wrist, but over to dcaponell!

 

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Posted by telsono on Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:25 AM

dcaponell - for your information the Albatross B.II is a two seater. Usually B and C class aircraft were two seaters. MVR's unconfirmed victory with it was over Verdun.

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Monday, January 21, 2008 8:54 PM
Anyone have a question?  This is a fun thread, let's not let it die...
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Posted by jlbishop on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:59 AM

What is unusual about the materials used to construct the vertical stabilizer of a 747?

 

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Posted by T_Terrific on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:27 PM

Was it like the '80's Westinghouse Nuclear reactor vessels, that it was entirely made of recycled materials? Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by wdolson2 on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:21 PM
 jlbishop wrote:

What is unusual about the materials used to construct the vertical stabilizer of a 747?

 

John

Which version?  The 747-400 had a complete redesign of the tail which utilized a lot of composite materials. 

The story goes that they were trying to save some weight on the airplane and told a new hire engineer to  figure out a way to save a little weight in the tail section.  He redesigned the whote section using composite materials and saved so much weight they had to rebalance the entire airplane.  They also installed a fuel tank in the vertical stabilizer, possibly the horizontal too.  I don't remember.

 Someone told me this story when I worked at Boeing.  I started there at the end of the 747-400 program, so I missed any more direct stories about it.

I do personally know about two interesting avionics bugs that were found during flight test.  If the pilot programmed the auto pilot to descend from say 30,000 to 20,000 feet, instead of a gentle descent, the plane would go into a power dive.  The first time it happened, the plane pulled 5 gs on the pull out.  At least one of the flight test engineers lost his lunch and when they landed at Moses Lake, Washington, the guy wanted to walk home (over 100 miles).

 Another bug came up with SAS started their over the pole route.  They were going to hand out certificates to people when they flew directly over the north pole.  The navigation computer couldn't handle passing through 0,0 so the plane did an 'S' around the pole.  I was supporting the test engineers on tracking down that one.  They got to spend all day flying over the north pole in a 747, back and forth.

Then there was the unfortunate timing when Boeing announced the 737 Convertible the same week of the Aloha Airlines 737 that lost a section off the top of its fuselage in flight.  By convertible, they meant able to be converted from passenger to cargo easily.

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Posted by jlbishop on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:23 PM

You guys are getting close - the stabilizer had some parts in it that were made of a very unusual material that was actually tracked specifically by certain government agencies.  I believe the outer wings had some of this material as well.  I'm not sure which version - but I do know it was on early models.

 John

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:45 PM

Asbestos?

Uranium?

Bits of Jimmy Hoffa?

(Seriously, though, I have no idea.) 

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Posted by jlbishop on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:09 AM

Believe it or not, you are getting _very_ close to the answer.

 

Let me know if you want me to "fess up"!

 

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:22 AM
No give it more time, please- I've got a shout-out to my sources. There was fuel in the horiz stabs for sure- tail ??
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Posted by telsono on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:28 AM

Technically there is a "fifth" engine in the tail of the 747. When I still did quarantine inspections on incoming aircraft I met a Beoing rep when the 747-400's were first operational. Singapore Airlines was one of the first to use them. The generator engine in the tail could power a small town of 10 to 15,000 people. One of the reasons for fuel tanks in the tail structure. That rep gave me a pin of the generator engine which I still have somewhere.

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Posted by artabr on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:43 AM
   Plutonium??Whistling [:-^]
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Posted by jlbishop on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:29 PM

All,

 Yes, there is a "5th" engine in the 747 - which is a great trivia question but I decided that that one was too easy!

 One of you has gotten really close to this.  What I am looking for is the specific name of the material used.

 I can offer a hint:  This material is also used in construction of a very specific munition carried by only one aircraft in the USAF.

John

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Posted by artabr on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:13 PM
    Depleated uranium???
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Okay, if Jimmy Hoffa was close......  how 'bout.....

Propeller [8-]  Al Capone!  Propeller [8-]

No?  Blast.  Okay, let's see...

Blast.  I think I JUST barely missed it.  I'm about 98% positive that artabr got it.

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Posted by dcaponeII on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:01 PM

Sorry guys,  I didn't realize I had gotten the answer correct.  Along the lines of four engined aircraft utilizing a 5th engine.  On which famous aircraft was the first of the Allison turboprops tested as a 5th engine mounted to the nose.

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Posted by wdolson2 on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:18 PM
 dcaponeII wrote:

Sorry guys,  I didn't realize I had gotten the answer correct.  Along the lines of four engined aircraft utilizing a 5th engine.  On which famous aircraft was the first of the Allison turboprops tested as a 5th engine mounted to the nose.

 The 5th engine was the answer?  I thought APUs in the tail  were common to all airliners?  At least they have been on Boeing jet liners since the 707.  Even the B-29 had one.  I didn't get the whole history of them when I worked in Avionics testing at Boeing, but I was under the impression they had been standard equipment for a long time.

 The plane that had the Allison torbo prop in the nose was a B-17 test bed.

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Posted by artabr on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:23 PM
 I'm confused ?Confused [%-)]
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Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:40 PM
What happened is that we have two questions, because we didn't have one for quite a while. So, let's finish off the new one about tail materials, then follow the original thread about a 5th engine testbed.  Sound good?
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Posted by wdolson2 on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:57 PM

I was confused about all this.  I thought there was only 1 question and the answer turned out to be a 5th engine in the tail.

 Blill

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