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Posted by RickF on Monday, September 15, 2008 6:24 AM

As a Brit, it would be nice to find a Nelsonian connection - "the Wooden Walls of England" -  but I believe it predates Horatio by a couple of millenia!

When the Greeks were fighting the Persians, they consulted the Delphic oracle, who gave the usual garbled and mysterious answer which included "safety promised in a wooden wall".

Thermistocles interpreted this to mean the Greek ships in the Bay of Salamis, where a decisive battle was fought in September, 480 BC, resulting in a Greek victory and eventual defeat of the Persians under Xerxes.

However, some Athenians interpreted the prophecy literally, barricaded the entrance to the Acropolis with a wooden wall, and fenced themselves in. The wooden wall was overrun, they were all killed, and the Acropolis was burned down by the Persians.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:35 PM
Where did the term "wooden wall" for naval vessels originate?

Alan

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Posted by alumni72 on Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:11 PM

hehe - never read about the Modoc before.

I was actually thinking it might have been before the war, during a courtesy visit by the US Navy.

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Posted by jayman1 on Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:06 PM

schoonerbumm, you've got it!

I always get a chuckle out of this story. It was rude of the German navy not to reply to our Coast Guard!

Here is one version of the story. http://www.a-bsp.org/ Then go to Coast Guard History and then to Sinking of the Bismark.

schoonerbumm, you are up.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:29 AM

oh boy! another Bismarck question!

That would have been the US Coast Guard cutter Modoc signaling "AA" to Bismarck by light and wireless signals requesting that she identify herself.

About that time, the Royal Navy's Swordfish flew over Modoc as they lined up on Bismarck.  

Modoc got her "AA", but not the kind she was expecting.

 

Alan

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Posted by jayman1 on Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:37 AM

Perhaps they wanted a courtesy vessel examination. Or "We need to inspect for contraband. Let's see your papers" Maybe the thought there was a party going on. LOL

Close again, but not what happened

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Posted by alumni72 on Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:40 AM
Permission to come aboard?
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Posted by jayman1 on Friday, September 12, 2008 8:07 PM

I like that answer. LOL

Not quite. But not far off.

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Friday, September 12, 2008 7:54 PM

I'll take a guess:

 

 "Where are you?"

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Posted by jayman1 on Friday, September 12, 2008 3:52 PM

Thanks, I will give it a try.

 What was the last signal made by an American vessel to the Bismark?

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Posted by ddp59 on Friday, September 12, 2008 3:39 PM
your go.
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Posted by jayman1 on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:03 AM
USS San Francisco struck an underwater mountain on Jan 8, 2005 350 miles south of Guam
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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 10:13 PM
what sub hit an underwater mountain & survived?
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Posted by runkel on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 1:06 PM
ddp your up.
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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:50 PM
USS Massachusetts,  Battle of Casablanca, 8 November 1942.
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Posted by runkel on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 11:36 AM

Who was the first ship firing the first 16-inch shells fired by the U.S. against the European Axis Powers?

Jim
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Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 8:43 AM
Well I'm still here. Unfortunately I haven't the resources or the ability to google well enough to participate more. I do love following this Thread; I've learned so much.
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Posted by RickF on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 8:02 AM

Have a nice time, Alan. I'm off myself soon, too - Canada at the end of the month, but only for a couple of weeks.

Rick

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Posted by shannonman on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 6:29 AM

Well , you are about to lose a member of our small? band of triviaites [ new word? ] as I am off to Australia for my holidays.

But not to worry as I will be back in time for Christmas.

 

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Posted by RickF on Monday, September 8, 2008 5:35 PM

Is this now our own private playground? You're up, Jim and I promise to let someone else have a go - if they're interested!

Rick

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Posted by runkel on Monday, September 8, 2008 2:46 PM

During World War I the Royal Navy decided to convert a select number of merchant ships, particularly ocean liners, into imitation capital ships. Fourteen ships in total were selected for the task, each re-modelled individually with mock turrets, guns and other sham devices made of wood and canvas, and specially ballasted, to enable them to masquerade as the capital ships of the Grand Fleet.


City of Oxford ( Ellerman ) as HMS St. Vincent
Michigan ( Warren ) as HMS Collingwood
Montezuma ( Canadian Pacific ) as HMS Iron Duke
Ruthenia ( Canadian Pacific ) as HMS King George V
Tyrolia ( Canadian Pacific ) as HMS Centurian
Oruba ( Orient ) as HMS Orion
Mount Royal ( Canadian Pacific ) as HMS Marlborough
Montcalm ( Canadian Pacific ) as HMS Audacious
Princess ( ex- Kronprinzessin Cecilie ) as HMS Ajax ( Hamburg Amerika )
Perthshire ( Federal SN ) as HMS Vanguard
Cevic ( White Star ) as HMS Queen Mary
Manipur ( Brocklebank ) as HMS Indomitable
Patrician ( Harrison ) as HMS Invincible
Merion ( American ) as HMS Tiger

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Posted by RickF on Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:15 PM

Too cryptic, huh? OK - they are ship names, not places.

Rick

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Posted by subfixer on Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:15 AM
We seem to need a little more info on this one, Rick.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by RickF on Friday, August 29, 2008 1:48 PM

Yes, interest is wanning. Still, let's try and keep it going with this one, which is a little cryptic:

               What connects the City of Oxford, Michigan and Perthshire?

Rick

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Posted by runkel on Friday, August 29, 2008 11:53 AM
Thank you RickF, I thougt this was going to die out. Your up and hope you have a better question than me.
Jim
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Posted by RickF on Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:31 PM

Nobody else wants to play, so here goes...

HMS Nubian had her bow blown off on 27th October 1916 when she tried to ram a German destroyer. HMS Zulu had her stern blown off by a mine on 8th November 1916. The two ends were joined to form HMS Zubian. She served until the end of the war, sinking the mine-laying U-Boat UC-50 in 1918 off the SE coast of England by ramming followed by depth charges. She was scrapped in 1919.

Rick

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Posted by runkel on Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:59 PM
Second hint. They both were HMS ships.
Jim
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Posted by runkel on Monday, August 25, 2008 1:42 PM
First hint. Both ships were damaged in 1916.
Jim
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Posted by RickF on Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:29 AM

Jerome,

You are correct in that The Ship That Hunted Itself, by Colin Simpson, is about the battle between Carmania and Cap Trafalgar. I have not read it, so cannot comment on its accuracy or how much of the story is fact or fiction. However, the battle took place on 14 September 1914, less than six weeks after the outbreak of WW1 and before Cap Trafalgar had the chance to sink any British shipping. It has been suggested that Cap Trafalgar was disguised as a Union Castle liner (not a Cunarder) , but I don't have any details.

The Carmania spotted Cap Trafalgar's smoke early in the morning and some hours later was able to surprise the German ship with two colliers in the island of Trinidade's only harbour.

Both captains realised that to fight a successful action they required plenty of room, and so separately steamed several miles from the island in order to gain the space required.

The two ships turned towards each other and began to fight, the Carmania (eight 4.7" guns)  firing too early and thus allowing the Cap Trafalgar (two 4.1" guns) the first blow. Carmania suffered much the worse of the engagement in the ensuing two hours, being hit 79 times, was holed below the waterline, and had her bridge totally destroyed by shellfire. However, as the range closed her own guns began to tell, and fires broke out on both ships, sailors lining the rails and firing machine guns at their opposite numbers as the ships came within a few hundred yards of one another.

Just as it seemed that the fires on Carmania would burn out of control, Cap Trafalgar veered away, lowering lifeboats as she heeled over to port. A shell below the waterline had ruptured several compartments, and the ship was rapidly sinking, although the colliers were able to pull 279 sailors from the wreck before she sank. 51 were killed in the fighting or the sinking (other reports say 16 or 17 lives were lost), including Captain Wirth. Carmania was equally shattered, listing severely, heavily flooded and burning, with nine men dead and many more wounded. It was at this point that Cap Trafalgar's contemporary, the armed merchant cruiser SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm arrived, seemingly to provide the coup de grace for the shattered ship. However, the Kronprinz Wilhelm's captain feared a trap, since many ships both German and Allied in the area had doubtless been listening to the SOS calls of the Cap Trafalgar, which, though in German code, had been supplemented by messages from the Carmania with the British code. Since multiple warships were on their way to the location, and the Cap Trafalgar had presumably already sunk, the captain of the Kronprinz Wilhelm turned his ship about and sailed away without firing a shot.

The following day the Carmania was rescued and brought into Pernambuco.

Rick

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Posted by crackers on Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:04 AM

Wasn't the German Cap Trafalgar, "the ship that hunted itself ?" Years ago I read the story that the Cap Trafalgar had sunk some allied transports. The British in an attempt to intercept this menace had disguised the Carmania to look like the Cap Trafalgar, so as to fool other German raiders. Perhaps you can clarify to me this story. During WW ll, a simular insident occurred when the German raider, Penguin, disguised as a merchant ship to sink unsuspecting allied shipping, was hunted down and sunk in the Indian Ocean.

          Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                            Crackers, Jerome, Idaho

Anthony V. Santos

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