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Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:53 PM

I keep lucking into the answers to these questions with personal attachments... first with Onslow, now with Balclutha. A friend of mine caulked the decks on her during restoration and I anchored next to her in a schooner during a tall ships race in 1999.

Balclutha was launched in 1886, was renamed Star of Alaska and Pacific Queen. She was under the guise of Pacific Queen when she was used in the Clark Gable/1935 version of Mutiny on the Bounty.

She is currently anchored at the San Francisco Aquatic Park, one of five surviving Clyde built sailing vessels. (Moshulu, Pommern, Glenlee and Falls of Clyde)

I sailed on another movie star, the schooner Rendevouz, aka. Melbourne Queen, which starred with John Wayne in the movie Wake of the Red Witch.

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:03 PM

OK... For a change,a non-RN question.

This ship, built on the Clyde in the 1880s, but now preserved elsewhere, has had several names. Under two of them she ran aground in the Pacific. She also appeared in a major movie. She has now reverted to her original name. What is it?

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:51 PM

Rick, 

That's the correct answer. You have certainly earned this one.

Bouchard was a privateer, serving the revolutionary government of Argentina (known as Provincias Unidas) . He was sent to stir up a revolution in California, but like much of New Spain (Mexico), California had little motivation to separate from Spain. Bouchard received a warm welcome in Monterey, but not the kind he expected.

The two ships entered Monterey Bay durig the night of Nov. 20/21, the Santa Rosa under the American flag - news of Bouchard had been sent to Monterey from Hawaii. Corney anchored Santa Rosa too close to the shore and at low tide could not elevate his  eighteen pounder carronades and nine pounder guns high enough to annoy the small Spanish battery (mostly six and nine pounders served by only four artillerymen and 36 soldiers). Although outgunned and outnumbered, the Spanish badly mauled the Santa Rosa in a two hour cannonade and the crew struck and took to the boats to escape to La Argentina, becalmed further offshore and out of range. Without boats and with a small garrison, the Spanish were unable to take posession of Santa Rosa and the Spanish did not have enough ammunition to expend to try and sink her. That night, Bouchard sent boats for the rest of Santa Rosa's able bodied crew (supposedly undetected because of the noise from the Spanish victory celebration).

The next morning, November 22, 1818, Bouchard was able to land over 200 men in nine boats on the Peninsula, north of the Monterey Presidio and defending battery.

With only a total force of 25 cavalrymen, 4 artillerymen and 11 militia, The Spanish had been outflanked by the amphibious landing and had no choice but to spike the guns of the fixed battery and retreat. After a token resistance of the Presidio, the Spanish took to their horses and fled.

Bouchard's crews pillaged the town and then burned everything but the Church.

Bouchard stayed at Monterey another 5 days, loaded supplies pillaged from the presidio and town, repaired the Santa Rosa and then sailed down the California coast. He raided Rancho San Refugio, parlayed at Santa Barbara to recover some of his crew captured at San Refugio, then sailed further south to raid San Juan Capistrano before leaving California.

Bouchard stopped at Valparaiso, Chile in July, 1819 and was arrested and tried for piracy by British Admiral Thomas Cochrane, at the time serving Chile. Bouchard's papers had expired on his circumnavigation before reaching Monterey, technically making him a pirate! The court exonerated Bouchard in December and returned his seized vessels.

Today, probably as a tourist gimmick, Bouchard is still regarded as Monterey's pirate. But he is as famous of a naval hero in South America as John Paul Jones is here in the US.

Monterey's Presidio Chapel, one of the oldest buildings in California and untouched by Bouchard, is still standing and is currently going through a major restoration, regarded as one of the most important architectural restoration projects in the US. 

Rick, you are up.

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:18 PM

Thanks for the hint. I don't  usually give up that easily, so here goes.....

In November 1818, Hipolito Bouchard, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, attacked Monterey, capital of Alta California.

Bouchard started the journey on La Argentina and picked up the Philadelphia-built Argentinean vessel Santa Rosa in Hawaii. The crew of the Santa Rosa had earlier mutinied off the coast of Chile and found their way to the Sandwich Islands, where they sold the ship to King Kamehameha I. Bouchard obtained the Santa Rosa, placed it under the command of Peter Corney, an Englishman, and replenished the crew with whatever ragtag collection of Europeans and Polynesians he could find. Then they sailed on to the California coast, where they captured and burned Monterey, saving the Presidio church (today San Carlos Cathedral) and the mission at Carmel.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:19 PM

Rick,

Soooooo close...  Big hint, you did get the right year and the right victim.

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:04 PM

Have to admit defeat on this one, Alan. I thought Canada and the Great Lakes might come into it, but can't find anything. Looks like nobody else is interested, either!

Rick

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:39 PM

Rick,

A good answer, but missing two key items.

Andrew Jackson's campaign in the First Seminole War was a land campaign, with Jackson leading  500 regulars, 1000 Tennessee militia and 2000 Creek Indian allies south into Spanish Florida from Georgia in April 1818.  

Jackson did not burn Pensacola, he only occupied it in May 1818. Fowltown, was an Indian town burned by Jackson's predecessor, Gaines, in late 1817 or early 1818. Jackson did burn several Indian and fugitive slave villages, but none of these could be considered a capital.

 

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Saturday, June 7, 2008 1:38 PM

Sorry, but "state" to us Brits does not always have the same connotation as it does to you guys. And my knowledge of American history is far from comprehensive.

However, I've done some research and think you may be referring to the capture of Pensacola (then the capital of Spanish Florida) by Andrew jackson in 1818. He certainly did a flank march and warships were involved, but I've not been able to come up with any names.

Rick

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:35 AM

Rick,

Interesting answer, would have been a killer trivia question in itself. But it's not the one I was looking for. "In which state is it found?", as in United States.

 

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Saturday, June 7, 2008 7:01 AM

Getting back to the question, are we talking about the capture of Rangoon (Burma) in 1824? This was an action by East India Company troops and ships, notable for being the first time a steam-powered ship was involve in fighting. The ship was the paddle-tug Diana (Lt Kellett).

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:31 AM
Bravo to Armstrong. Anzio is a under studied battle.
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Posted by subfixer on Friday, June 6, 2008 5:15 AM
Thanks for shedding light on this forgotten hero. It would be a good thing to get him the recognition he deserves.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Thursday, June 5, 2008 4:57 PM

I often have to edit my posts. I live in the boonies without even the benefit of DSL and sometimes have to build them up bit by bit. My rambling discourse on HMS Onslow vanished last night into a cyber black hole, along with the conection. I'm trying again here... this time first in Word.

Anyway, there is an interesting background to Sherbrooke's VC. Not to slight his heroism, but there is another personality (my wife's uncle) that was left in the shadows.

Imagine this far fetched, but fitting fable.....

A young star quarterback is given the opportunity to coach an NFL expansion team in its first year. The new young coach builds the team, leads them through a difficult, but successful season, defies the wild card odds and then for some mystic reason, gets replaced two weeks before the team goes to the Super Bowl, by say, a decendent of Vince Lombardi.

The Super Bowl begins. The new coach, in a brave sideline confrontation with a 400 lb. lineman from the other side, gets knocked silly during the middle of the second quarter.  The well trained coaching staff and players finish the game on their own, desperately clinging to a thin lead, holding off an "unstoppable" offense until saved by the clock, defeating an opponent who entered the Super Bowl favored by at least a 49 point spread.

The press goes crazy. The new franchise, realizing the marketing potential, re-packages the team into the "Lombardi Legacy", infusing the team with the League's most treasured traditions. The brave new coach is immediately inducted into the football Hall of Fame, but is never quite right after waking up from the lineman's left hook, and gets a series of promotional jobs in the front office.

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Sherbrooke assumed command of Destroyer Flotilla 17 only a month before the Battle of the Barents Sea. When he led it to sea  two weeks later, he hadn't even met most of his officers. During the battle, he was grievously injured, but struggled to remain at his post. The leadership of DF 17 during the battle transferred from destroyer to destroyer, as each subsequent leader was put out of action. It was ultimately, a "soldier's battle", won by the tenacity and skills of Destroyer Flotilla 17's crews.

The Battle of the Barents Sea is constantly studied and disected, but the principal architect of the victory, Captain Thomas Harold "Beaky" Armstrong doesn't even show up in a combined google search.  

By the time he took command of both Onslow and DF 17, in August 1941, Armstrong had demonstrated excellent leadership abilities, talents for turning green crews into elite fighting units and coolness under fire over four different commands. His first wartime command was the Wren, an old WWI relic, crewed by reservists, most of whom only spoke Gaelic! Wren did well in Norway and France, and Beaky was subsequently given a Tribal, the Maori, in Phillip Vian's DF4. He was credited  (until the 1950s) with two torpedo hits on Bismark during the battleship's last night.

Bismark made Vian an Admiral and Armstrong a "Captain D". At 37, he was the youngest flotilla leader in the Royal Navy. He led DF 17 through its training and work up, most PQ convoys and commanded the destroyer escort for PQ18. DF 17 also participated in the Vaagso Raid, Malta Convoys and Operation Torch under his command. 

Armstrong was known for innovative methods for training and maintaining discipline in extraordinarily difficult arctic conditions. Beards, non-regulation uniforms and head gear were tolerated. Gun crews were reported to have manned their stations in bowlers! When Onslow's ancient high angle 4" AA mount scored a direct hit on an HE-111 during the Vaagso raid, Armstrong allegedly called the gunnery officer to the bridge after the raid, had him kneel, and knighted him with a navigator's scale. According to Dudley Pope, Armstrong "had been a man with an infectious and very forcefull personality, whom his staff almost worshiped".

At the end of November, 1942, Armstrong was given the assignment to develop training and tactics for an entire command, MTBs fighting E-Boats in the North Sea and English Channel.

Sherbrooke replaced him, and then a little over a month later sailed into eternal glory. The propganda value of Barents Sea was immense. Times were still uncertain in January 1943. Here was a descendent of a great admiral from the age of Nelson, commanding a small force of destroyers, beating off an attack by a heavy cruiser and a pocket battleship! Sherbrooke was given the VC and public limelight on the spot.

By the time the world got around to writing the history of WWII, Beaky was dead, lost with his ship HMS Laforey off the beaches of Anzio in March 1944, battling U-223 (literally to the death for both vessels). Armstrong shows up in passages and footnotes of many books, but here has never been a biography published. I have been collecting material for years and have found him to fall into that category of "if I made this guy up, he wouldn't be believable".  

But relative to Barents Sea,  he First Lieutenant of Obedient describes the sailor's viewpoint in DF 17's published history:

"....motivated by a no defeat attitude inspired by Beaky Armstrong's training and by St. Vincent Sherbrooke's example" 

 

Alan

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Thursday, June 5, 2008 3:04 PM

In 1814, British Admiral Cockburn burned the American National Capital city to the ground. Within the following decade, another Captital was burned after another successful amphibious landing and flanking attack.

What was the Capital? In which state is it found? What ships were involved and under what flag?

Alan

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 7:22 PM

Mr Bumm, I do believe you edited that post.  :-)

When I first viewed it at work (during a non-work time break, of course) I'd have sworn there was only a reference to Onslow(s).  As far as Franklin and Aurora go, did one of each also host a VC?  Pretty cool, if they did. 

At any rate, you hit the nail on the head with USS Onslow AVP-48 and HMS Onslow and an excellent summary of Capt Sherbrooke's heroism in the face of Hipper and the big boys.  (By the way, I must mention that my wife's grandmother was a "Rosie the Riveter" at the shipyard where USS Onslow and the rest of the AVPs were built.  I always get a kick out of that.)

 So, Schoonerbumm, over to you, and by all means, button up your sou'wester and wear your galoshes, 'cause the veggies fly around here.  This is a tough crowd.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 2:00 PM

I'd put my money on the Onslows and Franklins

USS Onslow seaplane tender and HMS Onslow, destroyer. Capt. Robert St. Vincent Sherbrooke, won the Victoria Cross for the 17th Destroyer Flotilla's defense of convoy JW51B against Hipper, threatening torpedo launches but never actually firing one. 

USS Franklin, CV-13 was a sister Essex Class to task force flagship CV-16 USS Lexington, "home of the admirals". Then there was HMS Franklin, a Halcyon Class Minesweeper.

Then there was a pair which included a flagship: Thetis Class Cutter Aurora and Arethusa Class Cruiser HMS Aurora, flagship of Admiral Boyle during the British campaign for Narvik.

 

 

 

Alan

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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 12:47 PM
..uh, sorry.....

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 10:35 AM
Alright, alright, I'm not even sure which statement that is in reply to.  Let's just put the raincoat on an and brush off the veggies and move along and be done with this one, ok?
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 7:30 AM

 jtilley wrote:
Booooo....Hissssss....

Yep, I'll agree with you on that one, Prof. Looks like he trumped your vegetable collection with that one. Pee-yeeew!!!

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 3:03 AM

I always seem to get myself into this spot.  Please bear with me.

 

We know that the fifty Lend Lease destroyers were all renamed to towns that were present in the UK and in the USA.  How about pairs of ships from the RN and USN that shared the same name?

One of these pairs of ships included the sister of a fleet flagship and of the other, the C.O. received the nation's highest award during an action where the ship was over-matched and never fired the weapon that he believed to be her main battery.

 (I don't think either one is in a movie)

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 1:15 AM

I applaud both the question and the answer because it provoked some thought about literature, some rumination about connections to fiction, a lot of thought about the peacetime navy, and not least of all thoughts of Mediterranian women in diaphanous gowns.

I resemble that comment about California being a work of fiction!

Well done sirs!

 

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 2:34 PM

Hmmm...   So far we've got three ships at Pearl Harbor named for femme fatales: two man killers and an unfaithful wife!

Maybe USS Hillary Clinton isn't too outlandish after all.

Alan

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Posted by dostacos on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 1:18 PM
Whistling [:-^] I thought he stumped the stars, or won Ben Stein's money with that one Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:57 AM
Booooo....Hissssss....

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Surface_Line on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:39 AM

Well... I was on a different track than I thought because I was thinking "Helen", not "Helena".  It turns out that the city of Helena was named for St Helena, the mother of Constantine.  I just have to accept that remotely, Helena herself was possibly named for Helen of Troy, the character from the Illiad (a novel, as far as I'm concerned, and not mythology at all)  So I feel 75% correct anyway.

I will provide a question after work today, I hope.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 10:21 AM

Virginia was named for a real person... Elizabeth I, the virgin queen.

California, however was named for Califa, a fictional queen of the Amazons. "Fictional" as opposed to mythological... Califa does not show up among the dozens of Amazon queens listed in mythology.

"For two centuries, Europeans believed California to be an island,
as seen on this 1610 map. The derivation of the name "California" was
a mystery until 1862, when scholars "discovered" a novel by the
Spanish writer García Ordóñez de Montalvo called "The Exploits of the
Very Powerful Cavalier Esplandián, Son of the Excellent King Amadis of
Gaul," written in either 1510 or 1521 - and in any case well in
advance of the 1533 discovery of Baja California by the Spanish.

Ordóñez's novel tells the legend of Queen Califa (alternately
transcribed as Califia or Calafia). 

It was very popular at the time, read even by
the great conquistador himself, Hernán Cortéz. In 1524 Cortéz wrote
his king that he expected to find the legendary island of the Amazons
"a few days' sail to the northwest."

When Fortun Jiminéz landed on the rocky coast of Baja California in
1533 and found pearls, it started a rush to find Queen Califa, her
voluptuous maidens and all of the gold, silver and gems mentioned in
the novel. It is not certain if Jiminéz or Hernán Cortéz himself
bestowed the name on the land, but maps showed the peninsula as an
island for the next two hundred years."

Before the cyber vegetables take flight.... Califa shows up in displays at Disneyland and in Government buildings in Sacramento. 

I think Helena was a valid answer, given that I didn't state "BB" instead of "warship", and the arguable line between "mythology" and "literature".

Surface_Line, you are up next.

Alan

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 12:32 AM

You're correct she was the Vestal, those being the virgins that waited on Vesta (Vestia); all somehow appropriate to Pearl Harbor.

A BB? They are all streets in San Francisco, down in Mission Bay.

I'm not sure what the definition of a novel is, but I'll have to go with West Virginia. Work that word root!

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 12:28 AM

Hmmm....I think something downright diabolical is going on here.  The battleships present at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 were the Arizona, California, Maryland, Nevada, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and West Virginia - plus the old battleship Utah, which had been redesignated a floating target.  Maybe I'm revealing my weak knowledge of literature, but I can't think of a female fictional character with any of those names.  (Now, if we were trying to figure out the name of a musical comedy shared by a battlship at Pearl Harbor, that'd be easy.)  I think it's far more likely, though, that we're being victimized (not for the first time) by Schoonerbum's intricate, if slightly twisted, sense of humor.  Stand by for electronic tomatoes, Schoonerbumm.

I'm not aware of any super-official definition of the word "warship," but I'm accustomed to seeing it applied to all good-sized naval vessels (i.e., those larger than boats and operated by navies).  The U.S. Coast Guard also, at least on occasion, refers to its large vessels as warships.  I guess those naval vessels that carry no armament whatever might be exempt from the "warship" label, but I think there's pretty general agreement that it applies to such vessels as amphibious and support craft - at least those that carry guns.   

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Monday, June 2, 2008 10:54 PM

Like Helena, Medusa and Vesta are from ancient mythology rather than literary novels.

When I framed the question, I wouldn't have considered either of these vessels as, technically, "warships" (my father in law served on AR-5 Vulcan)... but on Dec. 7th, AR-1 Medusa proved differently,

from DANFS:

"On 7 December 1941, Medusa was at Pearl Harbor. During the action there, she helped to down two Japanese planes and sink a midget submarine, in addition to rendering assistance to numerous stricken vessels. At the end of the attack Medusa undertook the task for which she was designed, getting and keeping the ships in fighting condition."

It's amazing what these threads unveil.

I'm not sure that Vesta was at Pearl Harbor (confusion with Vestal?).

 

Last hint, the vessel whose name found its derivaton from this character was a BB.

Alan

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, June 1, 2008 3:49 AM
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