Odds and Ends Forum

Reasoned

Guys, it's their bat, their ball and their rules.  All one can do is to decide to play or not.

Reasoned

Guys, it's their bat, their ball and their rules.  All one can do is to decide to play or not.

BINGO!!!

Guys, it's their bat, their ball and their rules.  All one can do is to decide to play or not.

Your cat, my air races. I think nuking O and E is right. I've seen over and over where it just invites trolling and fighting between members.

Yes I miss it, but it's the late night dance club of FSM and there's been way too many shootings. Cops closed it down.

So much for the Ode to my cat. Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond.

What I would have done is remove the offending threads and posted new guidelines for O & E with zero tolerance.

Manstein's revenge

DoogsATX:

This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums.

 

With respect, I don't see how this fixes things.

The original complaint (I believe) was the silliness of O&E threads leaching into other, modeling-related threads. Then there's the recent unpleasantness, which I won't get into.

But...doesn't shutting down the "relief valve" of O&E just make that leaching into the modeling-related sections pretty much inevitable? Without really fixing anything. I mean, as we saw over the weekend, a poster can post inappropriate threads all over the friggin' place.

That and, I'm sorry, but I really enjoyed the ability to share and share in aspects of the community beyond modeling. From layoffs to lost pets to wildfires to personal triumphs. It sucks to see it go.

Why not bring back O&E, but treat it like the testing forum, where updates don't show on the main page? It could still play that relief valve role, but be less prominent on the site, and out of sight out of mind for the folks who were really bothered by the frequency with which certain threads updated.

Oh well...

 

I agree...I have many interests and hobbies other than scale modeling, and when "I hang" with those folks I don't want to just talk "shop" no matter if its my flying buddies, my golfing buddies or even my former Army General Staff buddies...

Now there is no place in here to kick back and have a discussion that is non-modeling realted w/o the spectre of being "reported" hanging like a cloud over your head...

 

DoogsATX

This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums.

 

With respect, I don't see how this fixes things.

The original complaint (I believe) was the silliness of O&E threads leaching into other, modeling-related threads. Then there's the recent unpleasantness, which I won't get into.

But...doesn't shutting down the "relief valve" of O&E just make that leaching into the modeling-related sections pretty much inevitable? Without really fixing anything. I mean, as we saw over the weekend, a poster can post inappropriate threads all over the friggin' place.

That and, I'm sorry, but I really enjoyed the ability to share and share in aspects of the community beyond modeling. From layoffs to lost pets to wildfires to personal triumphs. It sucks to see it go.

Why not bring back O&E, but treat it like the testing forum, where updates don't show on the main page? It could still play that relief valve role, but be less prominent on the site, and out of sight out of mind for the folks who were really bothered by the frequency with which certain threads updated.

Oh well...

great idea

DoogsATX

This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums.

 

With respect, I don't see how this fixes things.

The original complaint (I believe) was the silliness of O&E threads leaching into other, modeling-related threads. Then there's the recent unpleasantness, which I won't get into.

But...doesn't shutting down the "relief valve" of O&E just make that leaching into the modeling-related sections pretty much inevitable? Without really fixing anything. I mean, as we saw over the weekend, a poster can post inappropriate threads all over the friggin' place.

That and, I'm sorry, but I really enjoyed the ability to share and share in aspects of the community beyond modeling. From layoffs to lost pets to wildfires to personal triumphs. It sucks to see it go.

Why not bring back O&E, but treat it like the testing forum, where updates don't show on the main page? It could still play that relief valve role, but be less prominent on the site, and out of sight out of mind for the folks who were really bothered by the frequency with which certain threads updated.

Oh well...

I agree...I have many interests and hobbies other than scale modeling, and when "I hang" with those folks I don't want to just talk "shop" no matter if its my flying buddies, my golfing buddies or even my former Army General Staff buddies...

Now there is no place in here to kick back and have a discussion that is non-modeling realted w/o the spectre of being "reported" hanging like a cloud over your head...

This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums.

With respect, I don't see how this fixes things.

The original complaint (I believe) was the silliness of O&E threads leaching into other, modeling-related threads. Then there's the recent unpleasantness, which I won't get into.

But...doesn't shutting down the "relief valve" of O&E just make that leaching into the modeling-related sections pretty much inevitable? Without really fixing anything. I mean, as we saw over the weekend, a poster can post inappropriate threads all over the friggin' place.

That and, I'm sorry, but I really enjoyed the ability to share and share in aspects of the community beyond modeling. From layoffs to lost pets to wildfires to personal triumphs. It sucks to see it go.

Why not bring back O&E, but treat it like the testing forum, where updates don't show on the main page? It could still play that relief valve role, but be less prominent on the site, and out of sight out of mind for the folks who were really bothered by the frequency with which certain threads updated.

Oh well...

So this is the new "Odds & Ends"?

Great, way to go. To those that screwed things up this weekend (And you know how you are), thanks for taking the fun out of the forums. Some warning would have been nice. Instead of killing the Odds and Ends section maybe you should have taken care of the people that contributed to the problems. Whatever.

Jester75

Anthony I do agree with you, it is regrettable what has happened to the Odds & Ends forum. I participated and posted my share of what I felt was right and wrong about the goings on in the forums so I guess I share part of the blame. Losing that forum was not the outcome that I had hoped would've happened. I guess my question to you would be, if you had the power here to do what you wished wouldve been done, who are the guilty parties? Who gets banished and who stays? How much time would you have had to invest in reading every single post and determining who crossed the line?? In the end I think no mater what action would've have been taken, there would have been people disappointed with the decision.  Perhaps O&E will be back when there is an air of civility and mutual respect that returns to the forums.

Yes you are right,I am just venting,I have no idea what it takes to run and police a forum like this,nor would I want to.The whole thing is just frustrating.I hope your right and it comes back some day.It's interesting though,I am also pretty active on Armorama,and I have never seen threads get out of hand like it did this past weekend.In fact there was a time I stepped over the line and was quickly jumped on by the moderator and was warned.So i don't know if thats the answer.

Because of the recent problems on the Forums, we have closed the "Odds and Ends" section of the Forum. This means that non-modeling related threads will no longer be permitted on the FSM Forums.

Ya'll are just putting "O&E" stuff in a different place...

Ya'll probably should knock it off... 

Anthony I do agree with you, it is regrettable what has happened to the Odds & Ends forum. I participated and posted my share of what I felt was right and wrong about the goings on in the forums so I guess I share part of the blame. Losing that forum was not the outcome that I had hoped would've happened. I guess my question to you would be, if you had the power here to do what you wished wouldve been done, who are the guilty parties? Who gets banished and who stays? How much time would you have had to invest in reading every single post and determining who crossed the line?? In the end I think no mater what action would've have been taken, there would have been people disappointed with the decision.  Perhaps O&E will be back when there is an air of civility and mutual respect that returns to the forums.

All I can say is,Unfreakinbelivable,beacause of a few people we all suffer,punish the offenders,not the whole forum,what a joke.

thanks

Well I hope the "in" crowd here has learned their lesson. They won't, they're too stubborn, but maybe the rest of us have learned something. Freedom is not a right here. It is earned, and their actions as a whole has earned the loss of our O&E forum.

Now people will stomp off mad about it. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. This is the third schism I've seen here, and I'm seriously considering it being my last.

It's been decided none of us can be trusted to behave due to the actions of a"few"!

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