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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, January 5, 2012 7:39 PM

I'll tell you what, never again will I purchase the "buffing" metalizers, they're a real pain in the keister.  They seem to rub off (even after sprayed with the MM sealer) and the buffing process leaves much to be desired.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:52 PM
Edit- my original answer here was not posted quickly enough and Hercman slipped one in under the wire before my reply which should have followed Hans's post below...
Agreed, they would not retain that mirror shine for long in actual service.

 

They didn't maintain it long at the factory..

Both North American plants (Texas and California) kept their completed aircraft outside (under camo nets) untill the ferry pilots picked them up...

 

something like this....

http://www.stanvosburg.com/imp.htm

 

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:48 PM

Aaron Skinner

 p38jl:

i've tried both..the Alclad and the SNJ,, although my SNJ was before it became Hawkeyes ... both have their good points.. the Alclad was easier to work with and WAY easier to fix boo-boos.. the SNJ is more forgiving for pre sanding and such.. but is messier with the rubbing powders and handling..

BOTH... loook great the more time you spend prepping...

 

That's exactly it. There aren't too many short cuts when it comes to getting a really good looking natural-metal finish. The more time you spend on surface preparation, the better the final model will look. I like the way Metalizers airbrush, but you better have a perfect surface because any little blemish — glue smear, sanding scratches, mismatched panel lines — is going to stand out like a sore thumb. This is pretty much true for any metallic paint.

Cheers, Aaron

That is why I am so hesitant to try a "real" metal finish. I can never seem to get my surface as smooth as it needs. The only NMF I have ever tried was this tamiya 1/72 p-51.

 


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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:27 PM

Agreed, they would not retain that mirror shine for long in actual service. 

They didn't maintain it long at the factory..

Both North American plants (Texas and California) kept their completed aircraft outside (under camo nets) untill the ferry pilots picked them up...

 

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:25 PM

p38jl

i've tried both..the Alclad and the SNJ,, although my SNJ was before it became Hawkeyes ... both have their good points.. the Alclad was easier to work with and WAY easier to fix boo-boos.. the SNJ is more forgiving for pre sanding and such.. but is messier with the rubbing powders and handling..

BOTH... loook great the more time you spend prepping...

That's exactly it. There aren't too many short cuts when it comes to getting a really good looking natural-metal finish. The more time you spend on surface preparation, the better the final model will look. I like the way Metalizers airbrush, but you better have a perfect surface because any little blemish — glue smear, sanding scratches, mismatched panel lines — is going to stand out like a sore thumb. This is pretty much true for any metallic paint.

Cheers, Aaron

Aaron Skinner

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:23 PM

There ya go,...

"Hammer Lobby"...

*sigh*

Nah... Some idiot would get pizzed and start writing letters because he wanted to buy a hammer and couldn't find one...

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:22 PM

Thanks for all the good info, guys.

Tamiya includes a booklet with the kit that shows lots of pix of a P-51, apparently in a museum.  The NMF parts are polished to a mirror shine, and the wings are indeed painted silver, but not the control surfaces.

Agreed, they would not retain that mirror shine for long in actual service.  Alclad also makes a non-glossy aluminum airframe color and I'm  wondering if I should use that instead. Decisions, decisions!  What would y'all do?

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:20 PM

Hercmech

 Hans von Hammer:

Stuff's onlt 5.69 a can, R-man... 8-oz can at that... Use the coupon when ya buy it, lol.. It's enough for several single-engined types, and even a four-engined bomber thrown in for fun..

 

Hobby Lobby...where the models are scarce, but the supplies are limited only to your imagination. Cool

You.,, have stepped into... the Hammer-zone....

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:17 PM

Hey, it's a one-stop for the diorama builder, lol..

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Posted by Hercmech on Thursday, January 5, 2012 1:13 PM

Hans von Hammer

Stuff's onlt 5.69 a can, R-man... 8-oz can at that... Use the coupon when ya buy it, lol.. It's enough for several single-engined types, and even a four-engined bomber thrown in for fun..

Hobby Lobby...where the models are scarce, but the supplies are limited only to your imagination. Cool


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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 5, 2012 12:20 PM

Stuff's onlt 5.69 a can, R-man... 8-oz can at that... Use the coupon when ya buy it, lol.. It's enough for several single-engined types, and even a four-engined bomber thrown in for fun..

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, January 5, 2012 12:16 PM

Hans von Hammer

..  And it dries hard, with no metallic getting on your fingers after it cures..

Now that would be nice.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 5, 2012 12:12 PM

Dont forget that the wings on P-51s were lacquered, not bare metal.

Most of the the Warbirds are as well... "Gunfighter" and "Red Nose" get polished, but yep, the're laquered and Bondo-filled as well..  Here's a Warbird wing..

 Shiny, but not NMF.. And no panel line, 'cept the gun-bays..

Since we're talking about it, it's right in the P-51 Maintenence Manual about applying silver laquer to all surfaces of the aircraft anywhere it's un-camouflaged..   This includes many interior surfaces as well, BTW... I need to dig that thing again and post it, because it answers a number of "What colors are the P-51's Interior surfaces?" posts...  (There are NO unpainted areas in it, BTW..)

I remember taliking with Dad about polishing up his fighter to get extra speed (we were wathcing an episode of "Baa Baa Blacksheep" where one of the pilots was doing so to his Corsiar and he said it was a lotta bull...  Pilots had many ground duties to perform, but none of them were to go out to the line and polish their airplanes...

The Crew-chief did the cleaning, if any was needed, but only on what they had to handle to keep it flying.. The airplane often flew more hours than the assigned pilot did.. Putting it politely, If a Line-chief saw a crew-chief out hand-polishing his aircaft, that meant he didn't have anything better to do, so that meant that the Line-chief would grab him and put him to work somewhere else where his time would be "better used", lol..

 Anyway, I'm a firm believer in Krylon's Silver Foil Metalic for NMFs ever since I found the stuff at Hobby Lobby..  You can make all kinds of different-shade panels with that stuff and judicious undercoats and masking, along with judicious masking for clears..  And it dries hard, with no metallic getting on your fingers after it cures..

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Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 7:24 PM

That's right Stik, I can't imagine those ground crews buffing up a war ready P-51.  I was pleased with the results with MM Metalizers..... well for the most part, not very durable but it works.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 1:23 PM

Cadet Chuck

The article on how to apply NMF was well written and very interesting- but it convinced me not to use Alclad on my 1/32 'Stang.  Too many tedious steps sanding too many coats:  Primer and base both with 6 different fine grits.  Maybe I'll try Hawkeye's SnJ- no primer or base needed.

Thats if you want an air show shiny NMF finish. In service photos of combat operational Mustangs in WWII and Korea show them to be much less polished and reflective. Dont forget that the wings on P-51s were lacquered, not bare metal.

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:37 AM

Lufttiger

Trust me guys, if i can do that Tiger, you can too. It was my first time with the hairspray and it works
pretty well. Although i wouldn't use for any other type of weathering. If you have any questions
just let me know.

Chris

www.lufttiger.com

I look forward to checking the issue when I have the chance to visit my LHS or Barnes & Noble bookshop.

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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:21 AM

i've tried both..the Alclad and the SNJ,, although my SNJ was before it became Hawkeyes ... both have their good points.. the Alclad was easier to work with and WAY easier to fix boo-boos.. the SNJ is more forgiving for pre sanding and such.. but is messier with the rubbing powders and handling..

BOTH... loook great the more time you spend prepping...

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:16 AM

The article on how to apply NMF was well written and very interesting- but it convinced me not to use Alclad on my 1/32 'Stang.  Too many tedious steps sanding too many coats:  Primer and base both with 6 different fine grits.  Maybe I'll try Hawkeye's SnJ- no primer or base needed.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:11 AM

Lufttiger

Trust me guys, if i can do that Tiger, you can too. It was my first time with the hairspray and it works
pretty well. Although i wouldn't use for any other type of weathering. If you have any questions
just let me know.

Chris

www.lufttiger.com

 Thanks! And congrats for the cover!


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Posted by Lufttiger on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:08 AM

Trust me guys, if i can do that Tiger, you can too. It was my first time with the hairspray and it works
pretty well. Although i wouldn't use for any other type of weathering. If you have any questions
just let me know.

Chris

www.lufttiger.com

www.lufttiger.com

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:43 AM

VanceCrozier

 Hercmech:

 

 Hans von Hammer:

 

I'm looking forward to the next one, pictured up there in  the corner..

Winter Weathering, eh?

Bet I'll pull m' hair out on that one too..

Zip it!

 

 

I would too...but I don't have any to pull out

 

Well if you have no hair to pull out, you may be out of luck anyway - the technique involves hairspray...

Double whammy!


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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:19 AM

Hercmech

 

 Hans von Hammer:

 

I'm looking forward to the next one, pictured up there in  the corner..

Winter Weathering, eh?

Bet I'll pull m' hair out on that one too..

Zip it!

 

 

I would too...but I don't have any to pull out

Well if you have no hair to pull out, you may be out of luck anyway - the technique involves hairspray...

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:43 AM

Hans von Hammer

I'm looking forward to the next one, pictured up there in  the corner..

Winter Weathering, eh?

Bet I'll pull m' hair out on that one too..

Zip it!

I would too...but I don't have any to pull out


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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, January 3, 2012 5:23 PM

I'm looking forward to the next one, pictured up there in  the corner..

Winter Weathering, eh?

Bet I'll pull m' hair out on that one too..

Zip it!

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:42 PM

I picked up the OP one today... It's ok, but I dont see a lot of re-reads of it in the future.Indifferent

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:14 PM

I haven't got the newest issue yet...  So the "latest" for me, as of right now, 31 DEC 11, is the OP one...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:23 PM

Is this "Latest issue" thread still addressing the OP issue, or has it moved on to the latest, latest issue?!?! Whistling

Happy new year folks,

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:08 AM

Smile Dots

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:53 AM

You're welcome, Pard.. I love those "How to Fly the X-XX Series Airplane" videos that the Army & Navy made back then, and hunt them down, lol...  

If you ever get stuck and need a particular aircraft, lemme know... I love watching those videos... Kinda like, "Flight Porn"..

 

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